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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Real Life In St. Pete's FSU Author Post lucky_luke Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/24/2006 1:53:42 PM   I have been corresponding with a girl, Alina, from St. Pete's for several months now. I met her on a webcam site and have had personal contact with her ever since. She has never asked me for money, plane tickets, or the like. She has had candid conversations both real time on chat and through emails. She has sent me pics of herself with her daughter and given her home address. All of this leads me to believe that she is for real. I have not grilled her on the issues of personal finances, cost of living etc... but am still curious what life really costs as well as median income in St. Pete's. She has aparently been raped and beaten a month ago and has had medical problems as a result. She has not talked openly and candidly about all that had happened. To the contrary, she lied to me at first about why she broke off contact for over a week. As I AM a skeptic about what is real in cyberspace, I came down fairly heavy on the break and then she told me she had been attacked, but not the whole story -- just a mugging. Now she is aparently back in the hospital. Her friend, who's computer she uses, and had checked my mails and reported them to Alina while she was in the hospital the first time, wrote me and told me that she was back in the hospital and was going to require surgery -- the translation was unclear but it sounds like a hysterectomy. Though there was no request for any money, (and yes, I have sent her some assistance of my own accord, $250 over the past three months) the friend said the hospital would not perform the operation for free and that it would cost approx 15,000 roubles. To try and cut to the chase quickly here, what are hospital policies, how much could an operation of this nature cost, and on a broader front, what does it cost for everyday life there? A flat in St Pete's, a loaf of bread, a telephone, internet, a bus ride or taxi, and what is a median income these days? (If you have an opinion on the rest or are interested in more info about our relationship to form an opinion, I welcome all insights) Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/25/2006 2:23:56 PM   Luke, rape is quite a traumatic experience, and I'd understand why someone would not divulge this to a cyberfriend (no offence) hence lie. Her mediating friend may do this though because of what he/she knows exists between you, and in all this could be very real. Could also be a clever setup as you indicate yourself. Depending on what you want and/or can afford you could hire a third party, a StP's PI. Give her details only (which you keep off here) and ask what they can find out about her, be vague. You'd get your answer quick I imagine. You sent money over the past 3 months, and how she received this only you know. I know of women who'd be insulted by such, this in contradiction to those who try to make a living out of this. The latter have learnt to do this, and I'm sure you hope you haven't taught her. Instead of trying to find a Dollar-value for the median there you better ask yourself what somebody with her job should be able to live like, or afford. I know of a doctor there (a specialist mind) who has a second evening-job to pay her 1-room flat's rent, and also a journalist who owns her spacious well-furnished appartment and is letting the surplus rooms. Also, as far as I know any out of the normal healthcare costs, I believe there's some posts in this forum about it (old). Hope all goes well for you. wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/25/2006 4:02:55 PM   lucky_luke, everyone can pretend the best guesser, but none (including you at this point) can tell for sure if she's taking you for a ride or she's for real as you say. I read another thread on this forum a few weeks ago. Someone was complaining about a woman who sucked his money for several months and bailed after the fiance visa was approved! All I am saying be very cautious, sometimes a whole gang can live off one scam for quite some time ... you sound a nice person like most others who want to help someone they care about. These scams are getting more and more sophisticated. The friend could even be a boyfriend. They may not be asking for money directly, but they do feed you with information so that you can make your contribution at your own leisure. Again, I am not saying this is a scam, just be very mindful and do not feel that you are obligated to contribute funds if you are not certain this is what you should be doing. lucky_luke Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/26/2006 1:45:27 AM   Thanks for the insights. As always, I will proceed with my eyes wide open. (Just hope I can see what's in front of my face) buffed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/26/2006 10:26:55 AM   I'm sorry Lucky_Luke but it's definitely a scam. Before everyone jumps all over me for being cynical let's see what's going on. First, find out the name of the hospital and her room number. What is her doctor's name? Next, contact a local gift delivery service. The Angelika Network for example will bring her a gift basket and take her photo. I'm sure they will also make some inquiries for you. If she says she's already left the hospital they can still follow-up on qualifying the story using the above information. delta9 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/26/2006 3:26:59 PM   Raped and beaten only a month ago...perhap's her hospitalisation is to have an abortion. Whatever the justification for hospitalisation...i do not think this woman could have any serious intention's for a man considering the violation's a man/men performed on her only one month ago...this woman will have mental,emotional,physical and spiritual scarring and baggage from such a traumatic experience...she is either lying about the incident or so screwed up by it she think's the interest's of an almost complete stranger from a foreign land will fix her and make her feel better...either way...she will have issue's to deal with surrounding such an experience and you will just be a form of avoidance and distraction to her...let her work out her own personal dilema and emotion's before you get involved...good luck! wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/26/2006 6:16:53 PM   I agree with delta9, even if she said the whole truth, this experience must have changed her. If you haven't met her, why get involved now and lay the seeds for pain (for you) in the future. We're not the solution to all of the world's problems. Unfortunately many women are abused every day and it will take much more than a small contribution in ruble currency to fix this problem. There are times that you need to be a little selfish. If you had truly connected emotionally with this woman before you knew she was in trouble, and you were certain her pain is real, then you should help her by all means. From what I understand, you just started correspondence maybe some phone calls and don't know much about her. Sometimes you also need to assess the risks and make a decision. From what you've said, the risks are almost entirely to the downside, the story does not sound solid by any means as buffed suggested. Perhaps you can elaborate a little further so that we may give you a little more informed advice. When I was conducting my search, I excluded all women with children and all women with previous marriages. Someone could argue that previously married women and women with chidlren have the right to marry again and pursue happiness just like everybody else. I couldn't agree more with this statement and I fully respect single mothers because they have the strength of character to raise kids by themselves. However, I was not willing to be the person who would give them the opportunity to marry again. It may sound harsh, but in life we all make our selections, more so than anywhere else in the world in America we strongly believe that we have options and the right to define our lives (which is wrongly perceived outside this country as individualistic and selfish). In any event, I am saying this: think about yourself first, whats would be best for you, you are in control in this occasion and you should not feel that you are obliged to do something for which you are not fully comfortable. Cycleserg Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/27/2006 12:33:54 AM   Let me relay something that happened to me last year. After I met a lady from Ukraine and returned back to the states. She did not return any of my e-mails for a month. Then after the month she told me that her daughter had been in the hospital and had been gravely ill. That is why she had not responded. She could not pay the medical bills and I sent her $500. Then two weeks later, because she had been in the hospital with her daughter she had not been paid and could not pay her rent. I sent her $300. Then she became ill because of the stress and needed to be hospitalized. She needed another $500. At that point I stopped corresponding with her. This was a lady I spent 2 weeks with in Ukraine. You decide if she was scamming me or not. pakio Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/27/2006 9:03:42 AM   Lucky, A scam of this form has been working for long time: the girl stop communication for a while, then a friend write you in her name asking you for help to pay the hospital expenses for her... It is not the first, nor the last case. If she really would have wanted it, you would have never know that she had any incident, nor that she's been at the hospital. However, I know by experience that sometimes the most incredible and strange things happen. I would always give the benefit of doubt. Chek out that the story is true before sendind any money. The girl I am corresponding with, was also at the hospital for some days. She never asked for money or even mentioned about medical expenses. And I haven't sent nor proposed to send anything to her. Our correspondance keep going as usual after that. Hope my coment to be of any help Also check agencyscams.com aussieman41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/27/2006 9:36:26 AM   It was a scam. She would have maintained contact with you if she had real intentions to want to be with you and not reply to oyu for a month and then only reply to ask for money. Medical care is free in the Ukraine..sure they say you have to pay for medicines and syringes and bandages but if you don't the hospital will still care for you and not let you die..the state will pay for a Ukrainians hospital care and things are not as poor as they used to be especially in the larger cities such as Kiev, Kharkov, Odessa, Dneproptrevisk, Lviv etc. There was no sick daughter, no hospital expenses and no unpaid rent..it was just a ploy to scam you of extra money...$800 usd is 6 to 8 months worth of working salary in the Ukraine.. a lot to them and she would have used it to buy lifes little luxuries, things she wanted but never had but had always lived without and did not need. The Ukrainian womans psyche is one of greed...most really do not want to leave there beloved Ukraine and travel to a foreign country to live with no friends and family and leave what they have always known but if they can get easy money by fooling western men, they will. You made the correct decision by stopping with her after $800 sent..you had to stop the gravy train because it would have kept going and going with more excuses to send money. An elaborate scam it was involving a personal visit and then requests for money after you left...was she cold and distant to you and did she try to minimise the time she spent with ou there and made you pay for food, outings and activities such as the theatre which is expensive ( a good opera theatre show will cost up to $15 a ticket, a lot for a lady on a $100 a month salary so they can not go very often ) and did you meet her family and did you meet her in her home town or another city. lucky_luke Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/28/2006 9:19:25 AM   In the process of trying to verify everything now. I'll update as I get info. Thanks again. delta9 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/28/2006 4:43:06 PM   Here's a question for you luke...what would this woman have done for money if you did not exist in her life?....my personal experience with "genuine" women from the FSU is they are very proud and would never ask for money...period!....also my personal experience with "so called" genuine women from the FSU is they ask for money sooner or later,sometime's month's later...and they all turn out to be scammer's! You decide! I think she is scamming you...number one rule..DONT SEND MONEY!!!!!!!! You could have paid her expense's directly to the service provider's..if they existed. delta9 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/28/2006 4:51:05 PM   oh...and isn't it amazing how many of these young and vibrant women need hospital care...they attempt to control and manipulate a man through emotional blackmail (self pity)...would you have sent money if she asked for a new cellphone or jewellery?...because that is possibly what your money paid for. pakio Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/28/2006 9:17:29 PM   Lucky, I think the "rape" plot is quite strange for a scam. Wtrav is right, scams become more sophisticated and there are very good scammers out there. But I still think that a rape would be a very risky excuse for an scamer to ask money. Too sordid, it would risk to make you flee. It makes me terribly angry to see that scammers use the good will of people to get money. To simulate an emergency, and a call for help to rob you is the lowest thing. Makes people distrust any call for help and that is dangerous. Classic scammers were different, they were smart and used their victim's greed to hook them. They scammed dishonest people. Nothing to do with this bunch. lucky_luke Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/31/2006 9:56:06 AM   UPDATE: Since asking her friend for the hospital name and room number and the doctor's name, I have not received a response yet. Makes me start to distrust because if there was an urgency to all of this in terms of getting the medical care, the response would be quick. If this all turns out to be a scam, I'm afraid this whole experience is going to sour me to the entire "seeking a russian soulmate" thing. Like you said, pakio, to use human kindness, and caring about the welfare of your fellowman, that's just about as low as it gets. I've never known an American girl to go to such lengths. They are petty and materialistic and selfserving, but at least you know all that from the start. To be a tibetin monk sworn to to a life of celibacy --- much easier. lol soonermike Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/31/2006 11:14:20 AM   Lucky Don't let this get you down, most of us have been there. I got on this site after an attempted scam on Yahoo personals. Ironic, ain't it? I have listened to the stories of the guys who are happily married to FSU women, it does sound worthwhile. Get back on that horse, man! Besides, there's no cable T.V. in a Tibetan monestary. pakio Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/31/2006 11:27:35 AM   I am sorry to hear that, Lucky. The truth is that you must risk if you want to win. My friend's life was tore apart by a local girl. Scams also happen in any city. A friend of a friend was scamed 18.000 by a girl he met on a disco in 3 months relationship. You don't even know if you was writting to a girl. Anyone can post a girl's photo. There are many photos of international models and acrtess on dating sites (it gets that pathetic). Report your scammer to any list, like agencyscams.com Good luck Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Real Life In St. Pete's FSU
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