Hey guys. My wife and I have been married for a year now. She's been here in the States for about 5 years. We also have a 3 month old baby girl. My wife has been hinting at wanting us to move to Russia. Not just for a little while. To stay. I'm not quite for that. But maybe I'm just acting out of ignorance? What is life there? I'm thinking our daughter will have much better opporunities here in the US. Not to mention job prospects for me. My Russian is laughable. The only job I'd be suited for there would be teaching english. I'm basicly don't want our quality of life to drop drasticly. I really need some input here.
Well I don't know anything about that ...
One thing that I beleive is that it is not what you were looking for when you met your wife.
Personally, I beleive that life in US, Canada, Europe and Autralia is much better than in Russia, otherwise she would had never left Russia.
I can not advise for staying or leaving but don't go there because your wfe tells you to do so. Personally, I won't live there because I care for my future children and I hope that th person that I will meet will understand that. Of course we will go there to see her family for one or two weeks every one or two years. I am intending to visit my family too and discover other countries such USA.
Srry to say that, but it doesn't sound goor for ...
Why does she want to live in Russia, I hope not because she want to live with her family or she is feeling home sick.
Your wife immigrated because she had seen too many Hollywood movies, but America didn't turn out what she had expected. Now, she wants to return. This is a common scenario.
Men say it outloud, but don't always mean it. Women hint it, but they always mean it. If she's been hinting for a while now, and you're not getting it, one day you'll come home and find her gone. Then you'll be posting it under DECLINE.
Don't burn the bridges here. Go and see how it works out, and if it absolutely doesn't, you can always return, with or without her.
European, I agree in that he shouldn't go because groon's wife wants to go back there. But then what do you really know about groon's wife and why do you lump USa, Australia, Canada and EU as one lot.
For sure life is different in each of those with probably the biggest difference being Eu and the other 3, but life is not necessarily better in the States than in Russia. Except, I agree, for the kids.
But maybe if Groon can get a job in a school which allows his kid to attend an international school then things can be different. That would be a minimum starting point.
But too be sure, if Grron doesn't have the requirements that the country needs (in this case Russia) then his salary will drop (same as any individual working in another country). But then his equitable net salary may rise if he rents his property out in USA.
For example I am dating a girl who had the opposite. When she was married she went to USA and was getting 4200 usd a month in rental income from romania. And she didnt care whether her salary as a cleaner in the US was less than paying her rent rented to maintain a good living.
It's all about perspective.
But if Groon has to live with parents of his wife then forget it! He needs to find a compromise situation. No-one wants to live with their inlaws!
Well, first of all, 5 year nostalgy period is a common thing between the immigrants.
What to say? In todays US Today, there is an article about north Americans, Baby boomer's retiries are moving to Panama. Hell, over there one can have a live-in made for under $250 a month. Everything is less expensive somewhere.
While Russia is most expensive country, but it can be least expensive.
Consider this: a flat in Moscow may cost $350k while 250 miles away, a house may cost $1000. Sounds good? How about a pair of jeans which cost there $100 and $10 at a local WalMart?
There are some American companies in Russia which pay well. There are some Russian businesses which pay OK. As far as just working there to receive average wages, Oh, no. Retirement, maybe. Weather sucks. Cars are 2 times more expensive.
What is most important, Russia is not the countyr where one can say anything without fear. Period.
So, what is so attractive in Russia?
Well, one can talk about pros and cons of living there. People live everywhere. One thing which can sorber up a person who is homesick and never been back. It is to go back and stay there for a month, try to support an American lifestyle, spend 2-4 gran for nothing.
Then, she will be "singing like a wolf" Ha-ha (Or whatever wolfs do when they see a moon).
Then, she will rush to the US, land here and feel herself comfortable. End of the story.
Oh, America is everything, including the Holywood movies as it cuold be just like that. It could be life in projects. It can be good and bad. The only thing is different is the hope for freedom (and financial one, too).
life in Russia is very different to life in the US...of the 120 countries rated as best to live in...,Zimbabwe is #120(worst) and Russia #115...the US is in the top 20...i live in NZ..we are #15..and yet i could easily live in Russia...it is just different and it is improving its standards...go for the experience then make a comparison yourself...i think your greatest challenge would be not having many english speaking people to communicate with,very limited english TV,radio,newspapers,signage etc...learn Russian language and you will learn the benefits they have that aren't available in the US...stay away from the "new" dearest city in the world to buy property..Moscow!..and St Pb is right behind Moscow...if you have a relationship based on mutual love...you must give to get...and you just might be pleasantly suprised!..good luck.
Thanks for the replies. Here's the deal. Life in russia wouldn't be so hard for us. Her family has a business that is doing quite well. She'd be working in the family business and I would be free to persue whatever. She didn't come here based on Hollywood dreams. No false hopes of comeing here and getting rich or landing a rich american. LOL!!! She's a realist. She just misses her family. Specially now with the new baby. The more I have thought about it the more I am thinking of trying to start a business there.
Delta9: Yeah My main concern now is boredom. As for news, TV, radio and such, I'd have the interent. I get most of my news, TV, and radio from the net as it is. :) I am very aware of the craziness that is Moscow. $4000 a month RENT? LOL!!! I would not be living in Moscow or St. P. From the sound of it it'd be a little worse than moving back to California. Land of over inflated rent and house prices. The average home goes for damn near $500,000. My wife's family lives in Chelyabinsk. We already have a house there. The question for me now is this. Is the prospect of starting the business there worth the isolation I will be going through? At least untill I have a better command of the russian language. I have been doing lots of research into it. There seems to be lots of potential there. I would not burn my bridges if I decide to move. I never close a door behind me when I step through. I leave my options open. Her family obviously wants us to move there. And sprisingly, our daughter has dual citizenship. I didn't think that was possible.
sounds like your in the right frame of mind to "give it a go"...there are plenty of business opportunities over there for someone with the right nouse...who know's...you may luck in with a business venture that has you travelling back and forth enough to satisfy you both...the right kind of business would eliminate any potential boredom...just bare in mind many months are spent indoor's during the coldest month's.
I think it is only "natural" your wife would wish to return now you have a new baby in the family..i can imagine she is such a proud mother that she would most certainly wish to have her family and friend's influence and love bestowed upon your daughter..and that would be good for the global melting pot too...again..give it a go..you only live once.
An American guy wasn't even mildly successful here in America. He brought a Chinese girl over. They married here. They had a baby together. She made him choose between her and baby, and America. He chose her and baby. Now they live in China, where he's quite successful, and wants to get rid of her.
Move to russia good move ---folks have brains , live cheep , plenty of woman , apartments cheep , iam chomping at the bit --to move there --only thing is i refuse to spend each 6 months renewing visas ive made extensive enquiries as to moving there for good without all the visa crap forever -------strangely enough nobody can tell me how you do it .
i envisaged it would be simple - i think it is but i just cant find the correct road that says to me ohh this is how its done -------you see i dont need to work whence living thier and iam an aussie offer me $200 a month il call the police you know -
iam semi retired i dont need to go out and work anymore .
OK lots smart folks on hear how do you go thier relax forever with your lovely and toss away the passport so to speak toss it in the draw pull it out 8 years later if you want to return for a funeral / wedding etc -- ive tried a lot of departments iam not getting negative answers ''iam not getting any answers either way'' - my government does not seem to have a clue what iam on about .
il have to find a way because whence there --------if all aint correct and some parasite militia tells me ohh renew visa 6 months is up --il make him eat it and il supply the salt .
NO sorry iam not going to fit some draconian criteria neither no way ! ive got a Quid ( for those on hear whom dont grasp slang ) ive got a $$$ ok i dont need dollars iam not going to work -=full stop .
so how do you live thier forever visa / passport stays in the cupboard years ---becomes moth food -------anything less than that and il not be going .
i wont answer to what i think is err -------not correct -what is correct for me is to be total sidetracked by the system ignored if you like and let live in peace - sure i wont be contributing to russian workforce of govvy --------but then iam spending my bux there and iam asking zero of them --to me thats fair cop --ask nothin give nothin upset nobody ------anybody on hear go any ideas just how i do this .
hey i suppose one way is what my manager told me he said -well its a big joint your 1 aussie in amongst 145 million ruskies can always jump off the plane and melt into society he said i really dont think the powers that be would give a hoot !he said look who's going to use up vast manpower chasin a humble aussie around the place.
( and for what to create emselves a mountain of papers !)
because his visa is now a museum piece they really would not be bothered - ok il ask a few more departments il exhaust every avenue possible but if i still dont hear the correct answer --well maybe il have to opt for the --melt into the russian society thing --iam going there to live by hook or crook ! as they say ---------we'll try do it the correct way if all fails we'l do it my way --not that i want to ''bend the stick '' but i mean hey if it leaves you no choice well what do you do ! i dont think a court with any brains in the land -------would convict you if you went down every road possible and still could not find the right way well ------i reackon you are then excused yes .
ps bit like butch cassidy and the sundance kid tried every way they could to go straight still ended in stook yes !
I would be wary of long-term moves to Russia, Belarus and Ukraine, as doubts grow over the US global aims (global slavery - if you're not part of the Executive Branch of the United States, you're the enemy). If you are looking for "plenty of women" and "live cheep", try other east Euro countries.
There is only one thing for it
Youre going to have to marry the girl :))
I can just see you over there in a few years
Sitting on the porch with a blanky over your knees and a whole lotta ankle biters running around.)))
ok il opt for the ankle biters lol ---may as well populate other euro countries nar not interested its russia or nothin ! do me ! .rusputin lol lol.........
Ive got plenty of $$ iam just wondering what happens when you run out !!! ohh dear !
i think over 300k AUD if sensible see you in comfort in russia for a long long long while ay.
when yu think thier basic wage 2400 usd / 3500 usd a year well westerner with 300k he go a long way yes ! -i mean hey whats thier to spend it on once your set up ! not much .
AJ IVE GOT MY WOMAN ID NOT SWAP HER FOR 10 WOMAN IAM HAPPY i could not see russia defining 1 humble aussie as the ''big enemy '' all up 702 aussies live in russia and latvia permanent like -------they all got thier somehow and iam dead certain its not because they had a dollar ay .
Romania, for example. Bucharest isn't cheap, but when I was in Bucharest, I brought a different girl back from disco to my hotel at least every weekend night.
But my point was that the US and UK citizens should avoid long-term moves to Russia, Belarus and Ukraine. Ukraine has already refused to join the NATO. Washington is making everyone get tough to survive.