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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Another plane crash Russia Ukraine Author Post whip34 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/22/2006 12:04:18 PM   http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1231757,00.html well i have been twice to russia and Ukraine. I thought the regional aircraft were dodgy then. Now i think i will travel by their local minibus service from city to city in ukraine and Russia. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22082006/356/survivors-russian-crash.h tml danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/22/2006 3:15:28 PM   The aircraft is/was a TU-154 of Pulkova Airlines, St. Petersburg and whilst it may have fallen out of the sky over Ukraine it is wrong, very wrong, to scare monger 'plane crash Russia Ukraine', please be factual. Were a Pulkova Airlines aircraft to fall out of the sky over USA would you post 'plane crash USA' and suggest that all American air carriers are unsafe to fly on? Did you make a post regarding other aircraft incidents in other parts of the world? No! Did you post regarding the very recent, thwarted plan, to blow-up up to 9 US registered aircraft bound for the USA and suggest that it is unsafe, currently, to fly on any US registered aircraft? No! Travelling by air is, by statistics, safer than crossing the street, 'shit' happens whether it be in USA, Russia or anywhere but to highlight such an incident as you have done, suggesting that air travel is more unsafe than crossing the street, is totally idiotic. Having worked in the aviation industry for 30+ years I know what I'm talking about, you don't! Deano Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/22/2006 5:13:50 PM   I agree with Martin. I have flown many domestic Ukraine airlines and sure they are not as new looking as our aircraft but I feel that each time I get in any aircraft of any sort I take a risk. Are Ukrainian and Russian aircraft more unsafe than American Aircraft? Probably. But still much safer than normal car travel in the USA. Or the mini bus in Ukraine! :) danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/22/2006 7:10:28 PM   Thanks Deano, Apparently the aircraft suffered a lightning strike, I say 'apparently' because one should not scare monger until the facts emerge but lightning can strike any aircraft whether it be Russian, American or wherever registered, lightning does not check the aircraft registration before it decides 'Right, boredfukka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/22/2006 7:10:55 PM   they should have 737's not outdated rubbish. Stupid CAA that's all I can say.Very stupid people in that organisation allowing death traps to fly in the sky. danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/23/2006 3:04:15 AM   Boredfukka, The aircraft operator, Pulkova Airlines, actually operates 5 B737-500's however I doubt that the lightning, in this instance, would have determined if the aircraft was a TU-154 or B737 before bringing the it down and, stastically, a 3 engined aircraft is a lot more likely to remain in the sky than a 2 engined aircraft. danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/23/2006 11:23:42 AM   I hope you are really proud of yourselves for making wise cracks about minibuses or Boeings when there are up to 170 dead out there, you relly should be patting yourselves on the back, not: Ukraine is holding a national day of mourning for 170 people killed there in a Russian plane crash on Tuesday. The plane was flying from the Russian Black Sea resort of Anapa to St Petersburg when it crashed near Donetsk, killing all on board. Most of the passengers were thought to be Russians, including 45 children. Officials say bad weather or a possible fire may have caused the crash. Investigators have now recovered the flight data and voice recorders. Officials working at the scene of the crash said fragments of 130 bodies had been recovered so far. In St Petersburg, grieving relatives gathered at the city airport, which was the plane's final destination. Some 50 relatives are expected to travel to the crash site in eastern Ukraine later on Wednesday. Russian President Vladimir Putin said his country would declare Thursday a day of mourning for the victims. danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/23/2006 11:33:04 AM   And if flying with a western airline, on a western aircraft, is so safe then here is the news of only today: A Northwest Airlines passenger jet en route to India has turned back to Amsterdam's Schiphol airport, escorted by Dutch F-16 fighter aircraft, amid a security alert. And here is the audio of the incident: http://fmc.dotnet-services.nl/waves/nw42_intercept.wav AJ Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/23/2006 1:26:00 PM   TU-154s are good planes. Both Volga-AviaExpress (Moscow-Volgograd) and Siberia Airlines Flight 1047 were as a result of bomb explosions on board by Chechenyans, who are a US foreign policy tool to deprive Russia of it's regional energy resources. Russia is a major supplier of oil and gas to eastern Europe. The chartered Russian flight from Tel Aviv in 2001 carried 7 genetics scientists working on ethnic weapons program on board was shot down by an errant Ukrainian missle fired from 100 miles away. danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/23/2006 4:53:28 PM   The fact that Tupolev, manufacturer of the TU-154, managed to build a supersonic airliner, The TU-144, and boredfukka's tin can manufacturer from Seattle haven't managed to build a supersonic airliner might have something to do with his pro-American 'Boeing' stance but this is not the time nor the place RK Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/25/2006 12:11:05 AM   Boeing has no desire to build a supersonic aircraft, for many of the same reasons Air France and British Airways parked the Concorde...it's just not economically feasible in todays aviation environment. Martin...what do you do in the aviation industry? I have twenty years in commercial aviation and eighteen in military aviation. danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/25/2006 4:12:08 AM   Excuse me but. On December 3, 1970, the U.S. Senate rejects a new appropriation, previously approved by the House of Representatives, to continue development of the Boeing prototype of a civil supersonic transport, or SST. The project is terminated soon after, triggering 7,500 layoffs and compounding the "Boeing Bust" aerospace recession. RK, The TU-154M, of the type that appears to have been brought down in a thunderstorm, first flew in 1984, now wouldn't you agree that that is a very similat vintage to the B737-300 series? The original series TU-154 first flew at around the same time as did the B737-200. Now if the TU-154M is, as boredfukka put it, outdated then so are atleast 50% of the B737's that are currently in service. RK, what do I do in aviation, well over 30 years I've done crew scheduling, airline operations, navigation, flight planning and recruitment. P.S. BA did not park the Concordes by choice, it was a political move by the French following the loss of the AF Concorde, once Airbus Industries pulled the plug then there was nothing that BA could do. straightshooter Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/25/2006 2:22:15 PM   Martin says of Boeing, they "haven't managed to build a supersonic airliner" and only later mentions that the US Senate rejected new appropriations for such a thing in NINETEEN SEVENTY! No doubt European manufacturers did it WITHOUT ANY MONEY (after there the manufacturer is majority OWNED by the government). And such up to date news - feferencing a 36 year old news story. Here is his reference to a more recent story. "And if flying with a western airline, on a western aircraft, is so safe then here is the news of only today: A Northwest Airlines passenger jet en route to India has turned back to Amsterdam's Schiphol airport, escorted by Dutch F-16 fighter aircraft, amid a security alert." Which turned out to be a false alarm, didn't it Martin. danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/25/2006 2:54:47 PM   straightshooter, I think that you will find that Northwest diverting en-route and being escorted by two military jets was indeed not false but very true. What was the false alarm to the passengers being informed of this situation by the crew and looking out of the window to see they had a military escort, I would feel that the fright of many of the passengers would be very real, not false, indeed. At no time did I suggest than anything other than detailed above took place. 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