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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Do agencies post emails on behalf of real women, or are they scamming? Author Post freddybobs Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/27/2006 3:53:38 PM   Hi, Sorry if this is blindingly obvious to everyone else, but I've been hugely suspicious for a couple of weeks that on fiance.com, agencies are posting emails on behalf of women(either real women or not, I don't know) as I tend to get a burst of emails from women all in the same city in a very close timescale. The city changes regularly, but always two, three, four women suddenly write from the same place, and often with similar introductions. I thought, perhaps naively, that the agencies of the women (every one is using an agency email rather than a personal one) were just batching responses up and sending them out once every couple of days or so. However, I replied to two of the women, whose introductory emails had arrived two days apart. Their introductory emails were different, but both have now replied to me within 2-3 hours of each other with identical responses. Apart from the name in the sign off, every word is identical from these two 'seperate' women. Can I assume that these women don't exist, or is there some other explanation? Olga Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/27/2006 4:06:26 PM   Freddy, if you see that letters are not scincere, even second letters. do not reply. fiance.com systems lets you figure it out. you do not have to pay per letter to open and read it. if you are VIP member you write unlimitted letters to any lady with agency email, reply and see if you get another not prersonal letter. Report to admin. we will close such agency. we will aslo contact that lady to find out if she authorisd agency to send that reply, and eport to you. danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/27/2006 6:27:57 PM   But Freddy, You may not be paying by the letter but you are paying $$$ per month for a supposed bona-fida service and it is not unreasonable for you to expect a bona-fida service. There was, previously, a problem with an agency in SPb whereas the ladies must have been travelling by the coach load to write multiple letters to one guy but in fairness fiance.com eliminated them. The best thing you can do is itemise the guilty profile numbers to allow fiance.com to act accordingly and to warn other guys away. delta9 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/27/2006 8:39:30 PM   Freddy, dont waste your time and money for too long on women using agencies...get her phone number and personal details as soon as possible and make direct contact with her...eliminating the potential hazards these so-called agencies bring.If she cant speak english and you cant speak Russian/Ukrainian...dont waste your time...i have said it before and i will say it again...two's company..three's a crowd...do you need your mother to hold your hand on date's?..because this is what a bonafide agency wishes to do...at a hugely inflated price for such a simple service...sooner or later you will need to get along without your mother..lol. boredfukka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/28/2006 4:56:21 PM   I just joined fiance.com because I thought another agency was not real. I replied to about 10 women on here, gave my email and/or mobile number to them and then a few days later I had my msn on and bam bam bam bam bam... i was getting replies from each of the women I had replied to. Now, either they were all at home and decided to re-reply at the same time or they were all in the office at the same time or, someone from fiance.com was replying to all the letters. As none of the letters acknowledged my email and/or mobile and I have ot received any emails or smss from any of the women I replied to, I am beginning to wonder who it is that is actually writing these letters on fiance.com Olga Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/28/2006 5:14:45 PM   we have an approval process for new agencies. when they reply the letters are not sent to you immidately. as we screen some of them for possible wrong doing, untill they got clearance to work without screening. so most probably admin was approving letters at the same time, and the notifications were sent to you at the same time. again, if you have any concern, ask customer service, they are here for you 24X7 danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/28/2006 6:11:41 PM   There was no previous mention of it being a 'new' agency. To quote Freddy 'The city changes regularly, but always two, three, four women suddenly write from the same place, and often with similar introductions.' Thus for all these agencies, in all these cities, to all be 'new' agengies would be one hell of a coincidence! freddybobs Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/28/2006 7:33:23 PM   re Bored's suspicions, well I could be wrong, but I doubt anybody directly at fiance.com is writing the replies. The fact that each cluster of emails seems to emanate from the same place, to my mind, points the finger of suspicion more at the agencies than at fiance.com. Why would they organise it city by city? Regarding Olga's comment of the agency's replies being screened until they are trusted, well, this might sound reasonable, but for the fact that a "your message has just been read" email gets sent out, and this betrays the fact that the agency is opening the letters at the same time and sending replies back, often in a matter of a few minutes. Again, if fiance.com were directly responsible for this, then I doubt the message receipt confirmations would be on display. While I genuinely doubt that fiance.com are behind these, it certainly raises the question of how thorough their vetting process is. Are new agencies just old ones that have been turned away and come straight back under a new guise, or even just the same old guise? Also, regarding Olga's comment "if you have any concern, ask customer service, they are here for you 24X7", and the website where it says "Our Customer Service works 24 hour 7 days per week" and "a customer service representative will answer by e-mail as soon as possible" - Well, I emailed customer support immediately after posting my initial concern in this thread, some 24 hours ago. I gave them all the salient information regarding the fraudulent responses including the girls' id's and I have yet to receive any response. Not even "Ok, we'll look into it" or "We don't care, go away". Nothing. Olga Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/28/2006 8:01:06 PM   24X7 customer service is ONLINE help. you ask question you get fast reply. we are investigating why your request was not answered on time danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/28/2006 8:49:12 PM   Freddy, fiance.com maintains a practice of paying the agencies per letter, it's hardly rocket science as to what appears to be going on :) Olegnay, manager, will often question 'Who pays per letter?', answer is 'fiance.com' !!! freddybobs Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/28/2006 9:42:04 PM   Is that true? fiance.com pays agencies per letter? That certainly puts a different perspective on things. I've been sad enough to do a little more examination of many of the letters I've been receiving and even some of the initially more convincing and individual letters start to creak under a bit of scrutiny. Sometimes the same thing is re-written rather than straight-out copy/pasted, but it is absolutely clear that the same person has written it. So if fiance.com pays per letter, then is it worth even thinking about corresponding with any of the women who use an agency email, or even using fiance.com at all? I shall be sending more evidence to customer support in due course, not that I now expect anything crazy like an acknowledgement. Olga Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/28/2006 11:53:55 PM   freddy, fiance.com pays per letter, calculate - one lady can gets 100 letters from you per months of your memberships. so what agencies makes is nothing. our philosophy that agency in Russia should be a great online club for women without Knowles of internet. agency helps them to use internet, create profiles, translate letters. ladies should pay for services done by the agency. agency must follow our rules, our rules for the agency is simple: every lady must be real, she must know whom she sends letters, she must read letters before replying, agency is not allowed t remove personal information form letters. if you notice wrong doing report to support. we will investigate. compare fiance.com to the other dating sites and decide which one is better for you. there are a lot of Russian ladies on match, eharmony and so on. the same. choose one that you like more and use. you do not like us, cancel your membership. fiance.com give you all necessary tools to freely communicate and make decision. nobody ask you to pay per letter to read it here. we discussed this issue a lot already read forum. danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/29/2006 3:03:06 AM   Some years ago I tried writing to ladies of Cindy Agency which is based in Dnepropetrovsk, of ladies I tried writing to at that agency I received quite a high proportion of replies but only one, what I would consider to be, a genuine reply. So many of the initial replies, from different ladies, would start off something to the effect 'thank you for your attention to my profile', I say to the effect because I recall there were some 3 or 4 varying ways that they would say this opening but the meaning was the same. I also received a number of letters from ladies writing to me first, some of these ladies were far younger than I was interested in, and all of these letters would start off similar to 'You may be surprised to be receiving this letter' and again there were 3 or 4 varying ways that they would say this. It became quite obvious that the same person or persons, with limited imagination(s), were writing these letters and the only way that these could have possibly been genuine letters from the ladies were if the interpreter(s) were having such a heavy influence on what the ladies may write then the interpreter(s) might as well have written the letters themselves. Sunsequently I learnt that Cindy Agency do transmit these letters without the ladies knowing and of course the guy, each time, pays circa USD5 per letter to reply. As guys will know if one writes to enough ladies the replies will be very different and amongst them there will be a proportion of ladies who write to the effect that they do not want a long correspondence but a face to face meeting. There were no such letters from Cindy Agency, it seemed they were all very happy to write, write and write, for USD5 per letter and of the couple, I recall, of ladies that I entered into correspondence with I suggested that I travel to meet them but without responses, they 'blanked' the suggestion and just carried on transmitting the same daily routine letters. delta9 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/29/2006 8:56:30 AM   If a genuine woman wishes to use the internet as a means of finding a genuine man...then she needs to learn how to use this system of acquaintance making herself...to walk into a so-called agency,hand over a profile with photo's then sit back and wait for an agency to do all the work,letters and correspondance..totally unresponsible for their own lives!..these women need to be personally responsible for finding their mutual partner on the internet..imagine for a moment if you as a man could just walk into a so-called agency,hand over a profile with some professionally taken photo's and the only responsibility you have is to say.."find me a woman please that fits my specifications and tell me when you have"..talk about lazy!!!!...do you really want a woman who cant be bothered learning to use this system to find her soulmate?...i know i dont anymore...if they can find an agency in their city,they can find an internet cafe and get a "free" yandex,rambler or ru email address and learn the hard way like the men do!!!!!!!! "These are supposedly times of equality"...equal effort brings equal reward! Ask many questions of agency women...the person replying quickly gets sick of this because they have to individualize each reply and this is very time consuming..then it becomes obvious it is just someone doing a job and not a genuine suitor you are corresponding with...try it and see...and get personal details as soon as possible to overide the need to use an agency. olgas Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/29/2006 8:25:26 PM   freddybobs, Go with delta9's advice. It is what I would have said. I can not add any more to it. Olga Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Do agencies post emails on behalf of real women, or are they scamming?
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