if there is an age gap of 20+ years...stop and think where this relationship might be in 10 or 20 years from now..food for thought...The 40 somethings i know do not want to go nightclubbing anywhere near as often as the 20 somethings i know...lol...to say nothing of music choice's and desire's with such a difference in age..and thats just one aspect to consider.
fair call...now there's an interesting topic...i wonder how many 70 year olds are having success looking for 50 year old women from the FSU...lol...in fact..i wonder how many 70 year old's are even using this format..lol.
"black eyed peas" theyre kool. I bet your son enjoyed it.
My daughter will go to U2 with her friends.I just wanted the tickets:))
When she was younger, I did take her to see Anna Kourikova play tennis.
Im sure I enjoyed it more than she did:))
Probably what started me down this road.
Thanks guys! I was pretty much already aware of the "20+ year bust" and the "half your age + seven" rule. But there was an earlier post that mentioned difficulty with obtaining a fiance or marriage visa in the FSU when there was a significant age difference. My fault, I didn't make it clear.
Like Martin wrote...the common sense rule always prevails and the need to be even more sensical rises proportionately with the age gap.
A consulate may issue or indeed refuse a visa for many reasons. The lady that came to live with me on a fiancee visa some 5 years ago was, give or take a few months, half my age and her visa application went like clockwork ..... unfortunately :)
If I was a consul and a guy of 70 years old walked in with an 18 y/o beauty on his arm then, by my own personal opinion, I would refuse the visa but a 20ish year age difference by itself shouldn't make any difference, the consulate need to adjudicate if it is a genuine application or not.
"A visa can be refused ONLY upon a ground specifically set out in the law or implementing regulations." 22 CFR 40.6.
The are no legal age difference requirements. But again, the federal government isn't run on laws or regulations, but on discretion, simply because it has no higher authority to watch over it, and it won't police itself.
Sorry, but it just gets to me, when these intelligent folks sound so ignorant. What if they never got a high school diploma (county) because of an official's personal discretion, or a driver's license (state), or a business license (city). To suggest that there can exist something (visa), which has to be DESERVED, rather than QUALIFIED for is absurd.
"The approval of a petition under INA 204 is considered to establish prima facie entitlement to status. The validitity of relationship between petitioner and the alien beneficiary is presumed to exist. Unless the consul has specific, substantial evidence, the consular officer would have no reason to return petition to DHS."
9 FAM 42.41 N1 - Establishing Relationship between Petitioner & Alien Beneficiary.
Excuse me DrKoop but when I started out on this process back in 1998 in the relatively early days of the internet and without such forums as this or blacklists it really was 'explorer' days.
I didn't have anybody to ask thus naivity existed but despite my education you are suggesting that had I had the common sense to ask a question then I would be frowned upon for being ignorant.
Yes, in those days I did have a level of ignorance towards FSU etc. but that is no crime to admit to one's level of ignorance in an area that is new to them. Christopher Columbus was ignorant until he discovered it but I guess it is easier to criticise others whilst declining to accept that one person cannot possibly know everything :)
I plan on posting the US fiancee visa requirements, and I won't give you the FAM (light), CFR (medium) or INA (heavy) version, but the USC (extra heavy). If a consulate claims a different reason for visa denial, you'll know better.
What I'm finding is people who have genuine questions and are seeking REAL information from people who *may* have had a similar experience to guide them, specially when it deals with legal issues such as immigration. And instead, what we get is a bunch of people posting *their* opinion about something that has NOTHING to do with legalities, If you have not had a similar experience, then help the person by directing them to some websites for more information, but don't bring your personal opinion to a topic that has to do more with legal issues.
It seems like there are LOTS AND LOTS of marriages with "considerable" age difference (10, 15, 20 years) with the man being much older or the woman being much older. I feel sorry for those asking questions because if they bother getting into these forums, it means that they are in a bonafide relationship (I think it's fair to assume this) and would like their visa process to go smoothly and have plan B in place just in case. These are people who really care about getting married, despited the age difference.
Why bother these people with your personal opinions? Just because you think that a 50 yr old man cannot marry a 20 yr old woman? c'mon! It happens ALL THE TIME. The fact that the marriage might end in the future is ANOTHER STORY. Nevertheless, the bonafide intention to get married was there. The same thing happens if a 40 yr old woman wants to marry a 20 yr young man. The fact that the marriage *might end* in the future, that's one thing, but a fiance visa CANNOT be denied solely on the age difference. If the petitioner and fiance provide ALL the evidence that their relationship is bonafide (photos, trips together, phone calls, letters) and they bring all the documents, the consular officer has no other choice but to approve it - the visa is a "FIANCE VISA" - meaning that it's a visa to get married. If you can prove you will get married, then fine. If you don't get married once the fiance is in the USA, then the fiance needs to return to his/her country and if they don't, that's another legal issue between the fraudulent parties and the US government. And if they DO get married and 5 yrs down the road they get divorced, then that's a problem between the 2 of them and no one should care.
Personal opinion is not the same as *PROOF* / *LAW*.
DrKoop, would you mind sending me the USC version as well? Thanks!
One thing I have learnt about the Law is,
until you have gone to court and all appeals, , have been exhausted, from both sides
Its just an opinion :)
You guys are lucky, you have a fiance visa
In NZ we dont have one, so you have to apply for a visitors visa.
The same rules for a visitors visa to the US, applies in NZ (you dont get one)
So the application can be thrown out on any whim, without redress.
A 50yr old trying to marry a 20yr old and come to NZ
are just wasting their time (unfortunately)
ust returned from another trip to russia reading of age difference hmm i think it accounts for not much ive just celebrated 49 years my girl 26 and 4 months , we dont have a worry guys.
matter of fact we never seen it better !!!!!! man may as well go out in style , was a good trip took her all round russia.
me from aussie
to yoshkar -ola
plane to adler
partied in sochi
plane back to moscow
train for her first class back to yoshkar-ola
me leaving back to aussie same day .
a 14 day splash - spoilt her absolutely rotten ahh what a girl --fiance visa's all the ropes nup id not even bother -------simple answer just go there live with your bird forever - why tangle yourself up in red tape - iam sellin up --go live in amongst the lovelies ahh what a life .
but hey those russian planes YAK 42'S ohh hell what a nighmare cowboy planes cowboy pilots those planes 3 engines at rear like something out of flash gordon - junk --- took the sweetheart on her first plane --i dont know what she thought !
no good marrying boys just live in sin lol lol after all its only a scrap of paper and a ring ! don't make em love you any more than they do .
hey i seen a genuine scammer setup over there - comps piles of pics 2 girls running it -doing a damn fine job to ! i suppose they have to make a dollar somehow lol lol..
spent 3 hours with em --i learnt a lot -the girls view was ohh well they silly enough to give the $$ to us -------they can always say NO !
not that i support the villians but she was dead right !! said to me - nobody up the apartment steps with me twisting arm up thier back for $$.
from what i could gather - guys for all the hours they spend on the love letters and the pics well if you factor in thier time i reackon they working for about 50 cents an hour . no ''grand wage ''.
I did the right thing and twigged up thier computor for a bit - was just to slow amazing what a tad more ram il do -----girls id be waiting all night for ''teary joe ' to commit his westurn union lol lol....good birds shouted me couple vodka's.
Its like gambling one said to me --sometimes you win - sometimes you lose !
my girlfriend went to school with one of them ..i was quiet intrigued by it all . an education is what it was .
should have it on tourist brochure --come see the scammers ! ( door takings id be good )
went on one of russian extream adventure tours out of sochi into another republic god getting passport stamped , irate gaurds with machine guns -----''real relaxing you know'' up the mountain 3 jeeps to 2700 metres high talk about hairy 1000 metre drop if you turn the steering wheel just 6 inches the wrong way -great drivers were sober up the mountain 3 parts fullu vodka coming down --all very interesting .
toasted the woman - raised the glass to the crooked girls lol. even picked up 4 walking soldiers on the way back jeeeesesss !!!
lotu fun i was in moscow twice ive grown to hate that place - fullu crooks , hey last night i spent moscow 2 of us in hotel 6000 rubles the night - absolutely outragous !!
moscow sucks !
crims my god caught the Mari-el train to yoshkar - harrassed by militia - err passporty ! i had a few grogs in me i near told him --passporty ay '' go get your own .
i thought better be nice --said to him gday ivan smile --jeses loves yu '' nobody ever smiles ay .
no sence of humour at all the ruskie authority ! hey give you a tip i got invite some agency in yoshkar - was going to book apartment got thier --changed my mind stayed with sweetheart and just took off all around the place .
well i dont recall registering where i went to - nobody hassled me on the way out !so i think all this registering hear and there well its a scare thing ! and i think its a bit like jay walking every 40,000th person il get done for it .
I believe though as sweetheart said i think the russian draconian system registration all that sort of criteria - i dont think its enforced 1/2 as much as it was / or maybe should be .
I can still hear my love --------darling lets go trip around russia - brilliant girl done all the tickets booking like a champion and even chipped in 1/2 $$ what a golden blonde -who ever said they were dumb .
Il drag her over to asia in december - bali / thailand her and 3 or her girlfriends all good sorts -just for a ''lark '' see how these thai pole dancers can compare to russian dancers ---they wont be in the race !
what a life !
ive got the girl educated into aussie sayings said to her whilst laying on the black sands of adler dear i said repeat after me whilst sipping martini -- ''what are all the poor folks doing '' -----she said it - and got it right !
Hell that sochi my god the girls there ( more crumpet than ever came out of tip top bakeries ) though i dont know i got the impression the girls there could be a tad polluted by ''you know'' materialistic expectations tad of granduer about em !
impressed by the looks the attitude was lost though --i learnt something - i would never have wagered there was $$ in russia as i seen in that place .
I now start to wonder just how true it is errrr the ''poor russian girl'' as i seen birds thier with mobiles i could not afford and outfits that would consume 6 months russian wages -------amazes me just how they do it ??
yet cheboksary / yoshkar ola hell i do know some genuine poverty stricken girls .
amazing that you know a ways down south in sochi its all milk / honey / caviar ! whilst upcountry they fighting over a spud !!!