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Author Post Sashi79k Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/5/2006 12:35:32 PM   Hello All, I have an interesting topic I would like to discuss - From many articles, news friends and personal experiences I have noticed that FSU women (women from Russia, Ukraine, Moldova and so forth) are more Temperamental than the rest, now I have had serious relationships with women from 3 different countries - Indian, American & Russian and in my opinion each of them have their own good and bad sides ... but from what i understand and have experienced , The FSU women are more volatile maybe its the language barrier but here is a summary 1) they find it hard to understand Western Humor... when you make a funny joke ..they think it is stupid and sometimes even think you tried to offend them .... 2) they are very stubborn when it comes to learning english - I have known 3 Russian women for over 4 years now (2 were friends , 1 that i dated) they all could speak and Read, Write & Speak english and all of them thought they were very good at english - good enough to the point that they thought i was BAD :)) when i tried to correct their english out of good will , they are ready to chew and spit me out :) 3) FSU women expect a man's Chivalry 24x7, There is very little room with a Russian women to behave like Buddies ..Like i would with an american women... I could sit at home watch a football game and be lazy with her all day ... the same with a Russian women ... I would probably be critizized throughout the day :)) I beleive Russian women have a preset expectation of a Man and they dont change that for anyone .... 4) This ones a good one - All 3 FSU women that i know - KNOW that they are pretty , they actually told me that they are pretty and so a man should treat them with care, I told them that some of the foriegn men spend thousands of dollars to marry them and provide a better life for them and love them very dearly ... and I asked what these women would give for these men as wifes ... they said .. well Russian women are the greatest in providing amazing sex, they are the most beautiful women in the world and that they are the best cooks and mothers ... They said what else do we need to give ... :) The word Love never occured in the entire conversation :) Last but not the least - IF Marrying an FSU women, she will be taken out of her home country and placed in a different country ... In my opinion about 85 % of these women do not have the right state of mind to commit to such a huge change ... I dont think they are fully aware of the sacrifices that need to be made ... I know cause i left my country by myself at the age of 20 .... Its not a joke bringing a FSU women to the US or any other country , is she going to put a 100% effort to adapt or is she going to be stubborn ? The Man can help but only to a certain level ... The point is do all these FSU women that we wish to start a life with understand this ? and do we as men understand that FSU women might be very loving caring and very hospitable in Russia... but how would she fare in the US or Australia ?? will she become cool and calm and friendly in America or is she going to complain, fight and argue latter ?? All in all "In my opinion" FSU women are a little more Temperamental than other countries ... let me know if i am wrong ..:) beanstobe Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/5/2006 2:32:29 PM   Sashi, You have some good point there but let me say these are generalisations. FSU is big and there are as many different cultures in the FSU as you get in EU. Moreover there are different religions. This is my experience: 1. Most, but not all, women from FSU are not seeing their men as buddies. But some are - again in my experience. In fact some of them want to have a best friend. 2. As for sex, I had great sex for a year with a Ukranian 6 years ago and with a muslim Tajik three years ago for a year and they definetely beat UK women and they did everything 3. Love is always at the centre of women from FSU and they expect to be treated with care, affection etc because these are signs of love (in her belief system). A woman who doesn't tell you face to face that affection is so important is probably not interested in you. Besides: how often do UK women (or American women) mention about love when seeking a mate? beanstobe Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/5/2006 2:35:32 PM   However, about bringing women out of their country: the women on these marriage sites are not very courageous nor very realistic other than what happens on TV. But not all: there are some educated succesful moscovite or other russian business women who are in the near future going to export their know how to the rest of the world. GeminiDreams Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/5/2006 3:18:26 PM   Sounds like my girlfriend to a T. Just had big argument today because she didnt understand my sarcasm. In fact not sure is she has every understood one sarcastic/ witty commen Ive made which is hard for an Aussie who likes to "take the piss" out of everything. She will dress up Just for me but wont go out because its hard to walk in th ehigh heels then complains about not going out! She does tell me she loves me though! She likes to start aguements and complains if I dont join in! Sex is amazing though so wont complain too much! Mr. Hungwell Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/6/2006 1:06:09 AM   I have been to the Ukraine four times in one year . I dated the same woman three of those four times. She threw a crazy tantrum inside the apartment because i wanted to take a short walk for fresh air while she was bathing to kill some time . She also threw another tantrum of pure histerics because i did not buy her enough gifts. Just like a little baby . Amazing. She went into a wild tantrum again and a lot of yelling and screaming because she said she needed to pay her babysitter 70 dollars and i jokingly said i will split the cost with her . No sense of humor at all. And all the time we ate at the best restaurants Kyiv could offer , luxury apartment,champagne .limous ,cigars,discos etc. , all taxi fares and tipping on me . Needless to say watching her transform from a kind person to a raging bitch reminded me that she was the same type of woman i let go in the States. Was she good in bed? She had a son and claimed she knew nothing about being with a man so i asked her if she was the Virgin Mary in disguise.She said i had to teach her how to kiss. I just about laughed in her face. I wonder what book she read on how to meet and keep a foreign man. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/6/2006 6:21:39 AM   Sounds like JMO's old girlfriend LOL!!!!!!!!!! Tricky-Dicky Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/6/2006 8:42:55 AM   This is answering a lot of questions for me I have not been to Russia yet, my lady came to the UK and we stayed in London for a week, she already had a visa but not sure how she got it. She spoke her mind all the time, complained about most things including my lack of ability to use the English language properly and told me I needed language lessons! She threw a tantrum because of my English and talked at me in Russian until we needed a taxi back to the hotel when she decided to speak English again as I was paying for it, well actually I paid for nearly everything that week. If this is normal for them then she was not too bad, I thought I had picked a real bad one. Jokes and sarcasm were totally wasted with her she either took offence or needed it explaining to her. Her profile showed her as an English level 7 and she spoke it reasonably well. Sashi79k Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/9/2006 6:09:40 PM   HA HA HA ... OMG... thanx guys, I thought i was a lone warrior stuck in a mind battle that no one could understand, I guess there are many friends here than i thought :) I dont know what to say, I dont want to stereotype, but I just cannot understand why they get angry and why they are so tempermental ? Tricky-Dicky... I presume you were born in UK, so I also presume you are English by birth.. you see i faced the same critizism once about my English... It is very funny when someone tells you that your english is bad, especially when you spend a lot of time trying to understanding their English in an effort to decipher the mysterious words. I love my Russian women for who she is, No doubt - the good over weighs the bad in her - No doubt, but I am just out here to find out if this is just a pattern with her and her friends or if this was a common trait :) I am still confused and want to understand Russian Culture better, cause I have known her and her friends for over 4 years now.. I still am confused and unable to clearly understand a Russian woman's mind, I wish there were more Russian Women in these forums who could enlighten us all on this subject .... Why are you - the way you are ??? :) Here is a Saying that i made up when i was drunk, (Drunken men often speak the truth :)) "Any woman can change any Man she wants to anything she desires! No Man can ever change a woman from what she is and what she wants to be" Amen :) Sashi79k Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/9/2006 6:15:32 PM   BY the way I read this article on Russian Meeting place by a guy called Matt, he nailed a lot of details to the T!!! I was pretty suprised when i read this forum - when you read something like this and it looks pretty darn close to what you have seen, you start to question yourself and say ... hmmm Now what the Heck is going on !!! :) Tricky-Dicky Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/10/2006 12:44:30 PM   Sashi Yes I was born and bred here in the UK and have been able to speak English reasonably well for over 35 years (this can depend on the alcohol I have consumed). Until I read about this here on the forum I thought it was my accent that was causing the problem, I am from the Lake District and my accent can confuse some people a bit, but not normally that much. I tried to correct her on how to say “euro” but she got very annoyed and still said “yevera”. As to the culture I have no experience but it sounds like it could be interesting finding out. MIKE00 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/10/2006 12:45:26 PM   Never try and work em out GEMINI you'l go mad mate just coast along for the ride - when mine does her block i just go for a walk i know exactly what you mean though! They can fight like a tiger in argument 10 minutes later tell you darling i love you ! your sitting thier scratching your head saying to yourself -iam missing something hear ! THEY DRESS well put on the military paint , takes em hours then its to cold to go out so what you have is a doll dressed up like a jam tart and wont go out cause its to cold . Gemini you are correct to a tee ! Ive had similar worries sarcasm , jokes no they just dont get it do they ? the doors open ------but nobodies coming in hmm ! I get over that i just agree with her saves a lot of drama . there are still things mate iam no closer to woirking out about them than i was 7 years back ay . i gave up i just go with the flow if i dont know ay. mike00 TRAVELLERVA Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/10/2006 1:57:34 PM   I know quite a few of them that have come to the states. See them about twice a week. I don't understand their english half the time, RK came here and had a good time with them though. Tempermental? Maybe... More like they know what they want and get fustrated when they don't get it. XOPOWO came here and could speak Russian really well, he had a great time with them. Anyway, the FSU women I know love to get dressed up, go to clubs, speak broken english, know what to do in bed, like to shop, enjoy pressing the "In Russia we do this...or we do that..." No need to remined them that their here and don't want to go back. And Mike's right, just let them rant and get over it. Btw, IF you spoil them, they'll expect it all the time. Excellent thread subject... 61nottm Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/10/2006 1:59:03 PM   this hot tempered psychosis does seem to be common in many Ukraine women.It does remind me of the sicilian woman. Just like a volcono waiting to erupt. I think maybe i will continue my search for a woman north of ukraine. olgas Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/10/2006 6:18:33 PM   Hi guys, You wished for a RW’s point of view on this. I hope I do not make you sorry for that wish. You may not like what I say. All the time I hear guys say "RW are so temperamental" "One minute she is telling me how much she loves me, acting affectionate, etc. Next minute she is very rude and mean. If your RW is acting crazy like this it is a bad sign. If it is happening to you and you have not married this RW yet, I recommend you stop pursuing that particular RW. It means she is struggling with WANTING to really truly love you and ACTUALLY really truly loving you. RW want to come to the West to improve their quality of life. This is no big secret. And like all women (and all people), they also want to fall in love, be in love, marry their Prince Charming, have kids and live happily ever after. It is sad, but a lot of the time RW can not have both of those things in one deal. They get a choice of coming to the West to marry somebody who is not exactly their Prince Charming, and hoping they can learn to be happy with this man - learn to really truly love him or not coming at all. Sad to say, many of them decide to come and hope the really, truly love part will work itself out. It is a very difficult choice and it is influenced by many things that Western man can not begin to understand. And many of them find out later that they made a wrong choice - that the "really, truly love" never comes. How can it? Something this important can not "work itself out." It has to be worked out before you make the decision to marry, not after. But again, normal logic does not apply to WM-RW courtship and marriage. So a lot of RW in the West have made a big compromise in their life that makes them very unhappy when all is quiet and they are alone with their thoughts. These are RW who are “temperamental". O.K.? You have to find a RW who really, truly sees you as her Prince Charming. Who is nice to you all the time. It will be obvious to you because there will be very little bad temper. No matter how hard you try to make her dislike you :-) Big problem is this is not always the RW you think you want. She may not be prettiest, youngest, certain hair or eye color, built certain way, have high education, etc. Don't get so hung up on what you think you want in a RW. be ready to change your expectations. Give a lot of RW the chance to get to know you. "Play the field" as they say here in America. When you find a RW who genuinely likes you, could probably love you, look closer at her to see if this isn't somebody you could fall in love with too. Hope it helps, Olga Salem Adman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/10/2006 11:14:33 PM   The trouble with Russian women is, they look for a dominant man When they find a dominant man they try and dominate him. Thats when the trouble starts :) Philly Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2006 2:57:33 AM   Ihave shared some of the same thoughts as all of you about the argumentiveness of some Ukrainian women. I notice it is much more common in the pretty ones. Maybe that's not so different than American women? Olga, that was a very thought provoking post. Thank you for that... QuietCharm Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2006 4:52:00 AM   Nice post olgas. Quite often there is the same pressure on a WM to settle for the first lady he meets, simply because he doesn't have the time to 'play the field'. Mr 40-something, divorced, with beer belly and bald pate, is easy prey for younger RW eye-candy. The rosy glow soon wears off, with the realities of adjustment and the realisation that for the foreseeable future, he's going to be a walking ATM. Dump the ones who abuse the fact and take a longer look at those that don't. And if you are foolish enough to 'coach' expectations into them, then you get what you deserve. Hats off to those who succeed. It isn't easy. The saying 'marry in haste, repent at leisure' should be at the forefront of everyone's mind who is contemplating marriage. In answer to the original question, I did find the RW I dated temperamental. jc Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2006 10:50:51 AM   That was a nice reminder Olgas. Everything you have said is very true! It is an eye opener. I guess for a guy like me who wont be noticed by a beautiful american women because I don't have the looks and the money to reel them in I go across the world to find my dream causcasian lady because at the back of mind I know I will meet her because of my US citizenship. Thank you very much for waking me up. this site help me a lot MIKE00 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2006 10:54:33 AM   Yes mate agree with you on most you are correct iam aussie most of us are 1 woman guys we not interested in the whole football team . Iam the same ive been with 4 in 7 years first for two years 2 more 4 weeks each / bad eggs the one now seems forever. coaching expectations into them hmmm ..i dont know if guilty of such - i bring mine up to western standards which i think well if you care about other half you do such . I spend a packet on mine but in way of needs you know i mean hey if i own two tvs in aussie i think its fair i get her 1 decent one in russia - i set her up with all western trimmings to me its well the correct thing to do ! after all she lives in my apartment over there its in my interest to keep the place correct -----by correct i mean all the comforts ive got at home in aussie i make sure she has in russia -----why live like a bum ? I too team up normally over the years with first one i meet --womans life not a sandwich board around her neck with a ''buy me attached to it sign '' --humans my sun --not a chop and change product . I coach mine but only in the hey dear improve to western standards arena --i cant see anything wrong with a bird living a decent standard of life -hey i live with plasma tv's you know i can afford --good enough me good enough her --i mean to say either you want other half or not . Iam not going to repeatedly visit her in russia enter the apartment knowing iam 3 grades down from what iam used to and if you have the $$$ to make it happen absolutely nothing wrong with that ay . I SEE SOME GUYS so so mean ay to thier girls --humans for god sake spoil em yes of course if you got nothing else to do with dollars well why not and it makes your day . I take mine 4 holidays a year ----whatever she needs is a phone call away - i wave the wand and bingo its done -------why not ! I think in 2006 if guys want to be with a russian girl and are not prepared to maintain needs / sundries etc then hey --stay at home read a book and forget it , Aussies love to look after thier girls i mean daily too . they can be tempermental but i think the word is more frustrated asd to having diddly squat . GIVE EM COMFORTS of western home standards and i find i get no complaints at all ! Mr 40 somthing as you say mate tad short on hair a target ----------no i dont think so ive learnt over years age / appearence count for 3/4 of 5/8ths of stuff all --i firmly believe as ive stated before any western guy is big news there - ----i mean they zero to choose from so we back to the old scenario --beggers cant be choosers . they really dont have to many busloads of westerners to choose from . they have zero of bugger all . Any port in a storm as they say ! iam a rough ole diamond be first to admit it but i think we all look like elvis in thier eyes . mike 00 . aussieman41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/11/2006 11:12:41 AM   Any woman that rants and raves and through tantrums for stupid reasons or wants her own way all the time or complains..you tell them to shut the fook up or show them where the door is..too the street! 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