I'ver never traveled to the FSU, but I have traveled quite a bit outside the US, so I thought in order to bypass the tour agencies, I would book a flight to a Ukrainian or Russian college town (haven't decide which yet), hire an attractive interpreter and have her accompany me to the bars, discos, restaurants, and agencies. I'm 38, but could pass for late 20s or early 30s. How do you think this might work out for me? What's a good place to visit, with a lot of young college girls? Any suggestions?
Sounds like you are just into picking up girls and getting a good shag mate!
Nothing wrong with that, but though it is a warm autumn, winter with sub zero temperatures is only a month or so away.
And what will you do other than meet pretty young chicks in a decrepid, stalinist type concrete jungle while slipping on the melting snow and pushing against the strong wind?
Sounds as if you need to check the type of cultural heritage of the town first before venturing on. As a general rule, old cultural towns have the highest concentration of students on the planet.
Success of your venture can only be measured by the degree in which you invest your energey (in all ways) with the right type of girl.
You may meet the right type of student chick in Russia.
But then you may also meet her outside FSU.
But if you want to enjoy yourself, I am sure you will.
So go for it
I ve lived in Ukraine the past two yrs, and I must say your plan is a good one, I would make these suggestions, pick a male guide/translator rather than a female, chose a mid- size city which does not attract many tourists, plan to stay at least 30 days or longer, on occasions, venture out to the smaller communites, i think you'll find the people more friendly and girls more approchable than the larger cites, and visiting the smaller towns in the FSU for me at least, is a real treat, kind of like traveling back in time.
I think the best time to come is mid Sept through mid Oct, or mid April to mid May, do not travel here durng the month of August or during the ice cold winter months.
Thanks for the advice. Timmy, why do you suggest a male translator? I'm certainly not homophobic, but I would be more comfortable with a female and would seem more helpful. Who knows women better than another woman, right
You would seem a lot more legitimate, as opposed to "trolling" if you had a male translator. You mentioned hiring an attractive translator - an attractive prospect is less likely to take you seriously if you do. And it doesn't matter here if you are seriously looking for a wife or just some good times (I make no judgements of course) being seen escorted by another attractive lady is just not going to help you.
As an aside - while attending a Social several years ago I happened to have the services of two considerably older, not particularly attractive female translators on two different nights. BOTH of them seemed to be doing a lot more than just translating my words. When I asked why it was that the translation seemed so much more involved than anything I was telling them to say -both ladies toldme that they were telling the prospect about me. I felt almost like an outsider as they carried on their converstation. In several situations I had definitedly decided that I was NOT interested in the girl who was there, yet the translator kept plugging away trying to fix us up anyway.
A guy might cooperate with you better, knowing the social rules, and knowing what you are looking for.
Why "mid Sept through mid Oct, or mid April to mid May?" The girls are on their vacations during the other (summer) months? I just finished talking with a guy who took an AFA tour during the summer and he said there were at least 40-50 guys on his tour with at most 100 women at their socials during the summer tour. Yikes!
Wow. Things have changed since October of 2004 when I went to Odessa on a Roamce Tour with European Connections (which no longer does tours). At LEAST 250 DIFFERENT absolutely gorgeous women each night (Friday, Saturday and Sunday) and no more than 15 guys. It was single guy HEAVEN.
Looks like I will be going on on a Romoance Tour again soon - like early next year. I think I am going to go to a smaller city (neither St. Petersburg or Moscow) in Russia itself.
I have done what you plan to do (I call it fishing) and will give more input later but quickly I will talk about the best time of the year to go. Tim21 is giving you good advice. Mid July until the end of August is vacation time for all the girls and sometimes for as long as a month. I was in Kharkov during the summer of 2004 and watched the city empty out of girls come mid July. The mass migration from all the cities of Ukraine takes them to the sea side in the south. Mostly in Crimea. Winter months are bad for fishing because of the cold weather which causes the girls to of course wear winter clothing. So, walking the street or passing through the metro stations you will not see the total package. Only her face. Warm weather months are like sexy fashion shows everyday. Wow! I only used a female interpreter. Always thought two guys approaching a single Girl would make a girl nervous.
Can anyone offer any specific examples of college towns and corresponding good discos, restaurants, etc. for fishing? I'm making plans for spring. While I'm not planning to look for a wife this trip, I do want to party with some young hotties with no strings (sorry to be so blunt). Do these girls like to party like AW?
yes they like to party alright. And boy are they hot. Walking through Lvov was an experience. Its just the fashionable clothes they wear. They dont wear jeans as much as western girls do during the day, they like to dress a la mode and so when you are doing saturday shopping looking for toothpaste it makes it quite pleasurable to do so. There are a lot of tall girls too, like 6'2 or so, also dressed a la mode and theres no fatties on the street.
Reading that a la "winter clothes dont show the product I want to buy" and cattle market is singles guy heaven! I truly hope that these girls take all your money and treat you exactly as you deserve!!!!
Annika,
I'm young and good-looking. If the girls are there, they will want to be with me too. I don't have to shower anyone with expensive gifts to have a girl on my arm like some guys do. I'm not bragging, but just wanting to know if the girls are there. I actually like the "meat-market" idea.
Well, well, a post of Annika's I truly agree with!!!!!
Tuff Guy, the reputation of the American sex tourists is already labeled many men. And going to college towns in Ukraine isn't the same structure as the hedonistic college towns here in the US. They actually try to accomplish something in Ukraine.
Don't bet for a minute that these girls are going to slobber all overthemselves because you have graced them with your presence. The world has changed over there a bit. A suggestion, with you attitude I would be careful. Some places in Ukraine aren't the places to go play games in.
MANY guys on first visiting, think that the women will fall over themselves to be with an American (or western European) guy. Its one of the first falacies of dating an FSU woman. As has been mentioned many times in thsi forum - the only women who will fall all over you are the desperate ones who want to get out and take you for everything they can on the way.
But there is another falacy at work here and that uis just the plain old arrogance of youth thing - which plays in every country. THERE ARE guys who just think that they are God's gift to women wherever they go. My old college roommate was like that many years ago. There are women like that as well.
Its live and learn for these guys. Let them live and learn.
Hello Chicks,
My name is Tufty, I'm gods gift to the female species and I'm planning to grace you all with my presence during my 'Meat Market Tour' of Spring 2007.
I am young and good looking, I say that I have no problems pulling chicks in my own domicile but I guess that they have got wise to the bullshit I utter, thus I'm allowing you the privelidged opportunity of being shagged during my 'Meat Market Tour' of Spring 2007.
If you can please form an orderly queue at the airport, I have been in contact with the airport security to erect crowd control barriers for the guaranteed swarm of ladies waiting for my arrival but please bring with you your own preservatives (condoms) as I'm not into buying expensive gifts for ladies.
Signed
Tufty (a.k.a. Gods Gift To Women)
TG, you sound like my cousin. He was dating a 21-year old college girl. Unbeknownst to him, she also was playing him off against several European men and her college boyfriend. Fortunately for my cousin, my sister-in-law's girlfriend gave us the lowdown on her. We passed the info along to my cousin who confirmed it during his rendezvous with her in Switzerland.