Nope, they are higher in gun murders than the US per capita. I'd stay home, lock my doors.
All FSU countries are relatively safe. Using common sense. Just like anywhere in the world, if you're not cautious and smart, your lawful prey to criminals of all kinds
The map is the interesting part mainly here.
Quite interesting reading too so btw, it has taught me a lot I didn't know before I read it here. Oh, and Nas, there's a bike in there too so now & then :)
For the scrutinising Moderator: that map halfway down the page is hardly a secret anymore these days, I'd say reason enough to pass this post.
Definately not safe boredfukka if you plan to stay in backpackers hostels, drink the tap water, travel in 'arsehole' taxi's, not to worry about Chernobyl and expect Belarus to be any less of, your quoted, 'a shit hole' than Ukraine is.
Yes but you have to pay a reasonable fare on Carpatair that includes a hot meal, literally unlimited alcohol, seat backs that recline (unless adjacent to the overwing emergency exits of course) and cabin crew that know how to smile!
My friends in Moldova are very careful to ask where the produce they consume comes from. Of course the answers they receive in some places are probably unreliable, but they still ask, and they try to avoid anything that they think might have been grown in Ukraine or Belarus. The land that Thunder's website refers to may be relatively uninhabited, but its a good bet that SOME of the the land in the "hot spots" is being put to use for agricultural purposes. So its fair to say that you COULD get a good dose of radiation anywhere that such produce is sold. And washing it off isn't going to help.
Chernobyl is generally not taken as seriously as it should be in the west.
I would think that the government would not want to eat the stuff grown in chernobyl themselves so I doubt anything would be grown there and sold. It doesnt make sense. does that mean people who go to the ukraine are at risk of eating contaminated food then?
"I would think that the government.."
You would yes. Why not READ that site? You 'would' a lot less. You'd also learn some trivialities, for instance that Americium is not an American visitor, and once you know that then Jet's post suddenly makes a LOT of sense. If you looked at that map then you'd know that "in chernobyl themselves" is just a pinprick albeit a hot one. But parts of those vast lands colored-in lying seemingly bare are put to agricultural use as it just is an arbitrary line depending on where you draw it.
How hot exactly do you want your chillies?
But never mind vegetables. My intention for posting that link was to show that a girl from for instance Homel just may not be an attractive proposition for some after all.
And how do you know that the "arbitrary line" was not made using a Geiger c ounter? And when the radioactivity disappeared, they drew a line there so that the land beyond it was suitable for cultivation. Or perhaps they should draw a line at London or Los Angeles so no land can be used. I get your point though because it is "nearer" chernobyl and just "thinking" about it is a bit off-putting, but if there is no radiation then i cant see why it cant be cultivated. why do people live in Minsk then or Kiev? These cities are only a few hundres KM away from it.
a little time spent researching "radiation" "fallout" "Chernobyl" would save a lot of space BF,most of the info avaialable doesn't even use "joined up" writing!!!!!!
dragster, I am not the one complaining about it! I originally asked about Belarus not chernobyl. It was everyone else who started on about chernobyl not me.
a short look at that map, of about 2 nanoseconds long, will sink in HOW Belarus not was but IS affected. Oh, starting off with a look at the several-hundreds-of-kilometers-scale that map is drawn to that is.
You're an Imperial chappie who does not understand kilometers but still calculates in Furlongs per Fourthnight? My condolancies if so.
Also good luck if you think "the radioactivity disappeared", because this indicates that you, and no offense at all, have absolutely no clue. Radioactivity NEVER disappeares for starters, and a popular but dangerously misleading term often used is 'halflife'. Put that 'half' on a logarithmic scale and see how long 'life' is, you won't get that old. Neither will your kids or theirs, or theirs, or theirs, or th...... get the drift?
And exactly that is what may affect that region including a part of Belarus, even Kiev for that matter. Also, ever heard of fresh daily vegetables for the masses coming from far away? Your Geigercounter solution is superb btw, suggest it to the authorities. The only problem might be to determine where exactly to measure, plus the fact that human kind has this intrument only for some 100 years hence has no clue yet how to interprete what 'safe' is hence my use of the word 'arbitrary' - ya follow?
(dragster, I am not the one complaining about it! I originally asked about Belarus not chernobyl. It was everyone else who started on about chernobyl not me.)
BF,
But your title of this thread is 'is it safe to travel to Belarus?' thus you cannot expect to make such an enquiry without, the biggest danger, Chernobyl being mentioned. If you don't want to know the answer then you shouldn't ask the question.
And radioactivity disappearing, that's a real hoot :)
Thanks a lot for the indepth analysis and for the constructive advice. Trouble is, this lady from Sumy wants to meet me now (yes I know it isnt in Belarus but it is near C looking at the map) So, I have another question. If someone has been near C and been exposed to it, does that mean that they emit radioactivity? I don't think from a rusty A-level physics (which I failed, but A levels were A levels in the 80s) that that is possible. But I have heard of possible birth defects if I remember correctly. Or it may be that the children are born and are then exposed to it. I saw a TV program where two children from Belarus come to England once a year for a few months to "extend" their lifespan by not being exposed to C for these few months. So, now I am a little worried about whether to meet this lady or not. I think she should be ok being from Sumy, but advice will be appreciated
I'm sure that even some people from Chernobyl itself are happily alive today, and Sumy was not in that fallout region in the first place. Now, after having learnt that that region is a bit closer for comfort and a bit bigger too, same like others (me included) did so btw, you worry if you should see a woman from there.
Everyone emits radioactivity, or better background gamma rays, and that's you & me too. Potassium, Thorium and Unranium emit these rays and are found in animals, that's you & me too. All normal, radiating tiny bits near-immeasurable against the general background.
The problem starts when people eat produce and/or meat reared on radioactive polluted soil, and this aspect Jetmba raised, a very valid one. If you'd read that site you'd know that land IS cultivated in that region, however (hopefully/maybe) not to a large extent, and produce IS consumed. When people do then this tends to be accumulated in our bodies, and such may lead to radiated levels higher than normal, never mind that there's other elements radiating now.
If someone eats habitually from such produce then chances are it goes wrong at some stage, with no-one able to predict when or what. However no-one glows in the dark, not even the red-hot waste lying dormant in the sarcophagus over that reactor, and a girl from Sumy should be as fine as anyone.
Why don't you go see her? If she's got 3 boobs you've got your hands full with a problem I'm sure you can cope with, but if not she might be just nice, possibly an even bigger problem.
I love all the beautiful country in the world.
To safety while traveling, I think:
The first is political security (You will not be happy to come to the country of armed conflict).
There are many famous places to visit
Hotel, restaurant and food ...
And I want to share you a useful tip for people when choosing hotels.
You will travel to any where...to travel more safely
You should search information in google You can search key "hotel" + "where you want to travel to." Then book through the online booking system on their website.
For example: You want to Hue,
You just need to search: Hue hotel.
List hotel will appear: Gold hotel http://goldhotelhue.com/
Mondial hotel
...
You can view the hotel information on the website.
And you can booking online.
Goodluck!
You guys DO realize that Elena IS a fraud? Even the photos on that page were taken where ANYONE can go.
She has no special access and many of her photos were taken on a tour that ANYONE can go on. She was, of course, the only one with a helmet on the bus.
The map is common knowledge and has been for almost 20 years now.
I WILL give her credit for being a good storyteller and for her WW2 historical site visits.
Visitors to Belarus and Ukraine dont need to worry about radioactive vegetables as if you ate any it wouldnt be any worse than what you were exposed to during the plane ride over. Ive been to Chornobyl more times than I can count and I still need light to see at night. Visited the zone in Belarus too which is far more "hazardous" than most places in the UA zone. Some elderly people have lived there 20+ years and still die of "natural causes"
As to the "safety" of Belarus generally, one must always use reasonable caution as its full of the usual suspects who will rob or scam you in a heartbeat, taxis and some stores have local and foreigner prices just like Ukraine and "escorts" are cheaper but still might slip you something and rob you blind while you are passed out,lol. The hunting and fishing are quite good;) Have fun.