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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > New and trepid Author Post ruffy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/14/2006 2:11:51 AM   I'm not introducing new territory here by any means and maybe this can be resolved by somebody giving me the link to an existing thread and we're done with this. That being said, I'm a newbie and just plain confused. I've read a lot of the forums and started communicating with Russian women. So I'm aware of "scammers" but maybe not scammer tactics outside of the "visa/flight" thing. I'm a pretty smart guy and a pretty cautious/suspicious guy as far as I think, and I suspect off the bat that many of the communications I've received are suspect. However, I'm overwhelmed with the number of e-mail communications I get where the respondent is upset when I don't answer specific questions. Not only that but they're inetersted in the specifics of my life, especially if they have children. That sounds real to me, doggone it! And yet, for all of the lovely, lovely women who "long" for my e-mails and start to like me "a lot", the turnaround time is many days. It's hard to even fool myself into believing all of it if the other participant who "longs" for the letters takes days to return them, even if that means visiting an agency once in a while. What am i missing? Can somebody reconcile my "this is real" versus "this is not real" internal dialogue? Are there any, ahem, "tricks" that can be used to separate the real from the fake without insulting the real? brilliant_name Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/14/2006 12:20:28 PM   Hello ruffy. I have been with fiance.com for 8 months now and will give you my opinion. When I started on this venture, like you, I questioned many things.. what is it all about? All I can say is .......follow your instincts. Personally, I have had an interesting experience, which told me much about me, as it did (to me) about Russian women (I am sure there are Russian "ladies" out there) I will be contributing on this site and other sites in the future. Life is for living, Ruffy, think positive and that is only the way forward. If you have doubts, MOVE ON.....Bye for now..TC danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/14/2006 12:36:37 PM   Ruffy, Scammers employ different tactics and move with the times because guys get wise, just some examples: Agency fees for correspondence & translation. Always run an agency name thru a search engine to see if they are blacklisted or what other guys have to say about them, if the search reveals no mention of the agency then they do nox exist, it's a sham website. A lady asking for excessive monies for correspondence. No self respecting lady will ever ask for money from a person she has never met. A lady asking for money for a sick relative, her monile phone has been stolen, the wheel has fallen of a car, anything. The ticket & visa scam as you have made mention of. A more recent one for when you are going to visit her, she has a friend that owns an apartment but you need to pay in advance. She makes mention that it is her birthday, womans day, strongly hinting at presents within the first few letters. Some scammers come out with it within the first few letters, if they say 'I love you' or similar without having met you then they are either drunk or scammers. Others, more clever, will write for months and months to put you at your ease before they hit you with a money request. Some will never ask for money in letters but just wait until you get there to take you on the expensive shopping trips. But scammers, more often than not, do not have time to read and write letters, they will often send a pre-written letter so in your early letters it is always good to ask of her a couple of questions to see if they get answered. If less than 75% get answered then be on your guard. Hope this helps. aj 999 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/14/2006 2:31:32 PM   hi im new to all of this to. wrote/spoke to a nice sounding girl via anastasia.com based in the USA with phone no. address etc. then started communicating with her via her local agency glory club and stumbled across this site. am thinking about travelling there in january to meet her in kiev. the agency suggested booking an apartment which is cheaper than the hotels i have looked at. so to cut a long story short, how does it sound to you more experienced guys? would be glad to hear any advice/tips brilliant_name Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/14/2006 2:55:20 PM   Thank you Martin, The first lady I visited was a gold-digger and not a scammer. Although I guess, what is the difference? I had, so far done everything right in a western man's point of view regarding the pursuit in a life partner from the FSU. I went to the correct lengths to entice, what I thought, was the ideal woman for me. She was so so responsive and replied to my letters, what I NEEDED TO KNOW. She manipulted me, because she could. The basic problem is this....we as western men in pursuit of a life partner abroad are so vulnerable. When I went out to visit her, in her own city, she showed just enough interest in me to keep me where she wanted. I will expand on just one experience, durng my two week visit. I said to her ...."I wish to buy you something"....... ok so she looks looks around the shops a bit for clothes. But she is fussy. Two days later we go to the shop.......here we go. She says "my mobile phone was stolen". I buy her a phone out of the goodness of my heart. Great. but hey! After paying out, I would say one months (of ..her equivalent wages ) To shake my hands and give me a kiss on the cheek? What is that about? I was confused and deluded. I will expand later on my experience for the good of others reading this ............. brilliant_name Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/14/2006 2:55:34 PM   Thank you Martin, The first lady I visited was a gold-digger and not a scammer. Although I guess, what is the difference? I had, so far done everything right in a western man's point of view regarding the pursuit in a life partner from the FSU. I went to the correct lengths to entice, what I thought, was the ideal woman for me. She was so so responsive and replied to my letters, what I NEEDED TO KNOW. She manipulted me, because she could. The basic problem is this....we as western men in pursuit of a life partner abroad are so vulnerable. When I went out to visit her, in her own city, she showed just enough interest in me to keep me where she wanted. I will expand on just one experience, durng my two week visit. I said to her ...."I wish to buy you something"....... ok so she looks looks around the shops a bit for clothes. But she is fussy. Two days later we go to the shop.......here we go. She says "my mobile phone was stolen". I buy her a phone out of the goodness of my heart. Great. but hey! After paying out, I would say one months (of ..her equivalent wages ) To shake my hands and give me a kiss on the cheek? What is that about? I was confused and deluded. I will expand later on my experience for the good of others reading this ............. brilliant_name Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/14/2006 2:56:05 PM   Thank you Martin, The first lady I visited was a gold-digger and not a scammer. Although I guess, what is the difference? I had, so far done everything right in a western man's point of view regarding the pursuit in a life partner from the FSU. I went to the correct lengths to entice, what I thought, was the ideal woman for me. She was so so responsive and replied to my letters, what I NEEDED TO KNOW. She manipulted me, because she could. The basic problem is this....we as western men in pursuit of a life partner abroad are so vulnerable. When I went out to visit her, in her own city, she showed just enough interest in me to keep me where she wanted. I will expand on just one experience, durng my two week visit. I said to her ...."I wish to buy you something"....... ok so she looks looks around the shops a bit for clothes. But she is fussy. Two days later we go to the shop.......here we go. She says "my mobile phone was stolen". I buy her a phone out of the goodness of my heart. Great. but hey! After paying out, I would say one months (of ..her equivalent wages ) To shake my hands and give me a kiss on the cheek? What is that about? I was confused and deluded. I will expand later on my experience for the good of others reading this ............. danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/14/2006 5:09:00 PM   aj, Just do an internet search for 'Kiev Apartment', there are dozens and dozens available to compare prices against what the agency may be wanting to charge you. anastasia.com are a scam and I suggest you have a read of this link below, you're being taken aj: http://forum.fiance.com/forum2.asp?Main=ShowTopic&topicid=2424 ruffy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/14/2006 7:26:36 PM   Martin, I think your quote below has helped me "But scammers, more often than not, do not have time to read and write letters" Seems like it would be a lot of work, corresponding for months just to get a dude to the FSU to help with a mobile phone. I've had a few occasions where women have broken off communications because I wasn't having a real dialogue with them which is great (in retrospect), or just say we don't have much in common and that's that. I'm kind of intrigued by all of this but at the same time, I'm not ready to fly to the Ukraine until I feel like it's real deal-io. Well, as brilliant_name said, time to trust my instincts, Luke. Thanks ya'll. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > New and trepid
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