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Yes and no is what I believe. In other words, either it is unlikely it was a good match or she is adaptable and will take on western values that suit herself. What does that mean? That means that sooner or later, maybe 5 years, and your marraige will be competing on equal terms. You will have to compete for it the same way you would have to compete for it if you married someone at home. Food for thought. The russian element to your advantage may disappear while the cultural diasadavntge may increase if you cannot adress it honestly and openly. I don't believe that the main interest for RW dating here is financial. It's more likely to be relationship values and adventure. The adventure will diminish of course and the interpersonal values she will be able to find in the many men in the west, just like the well discused financial security arguement. In short, if you are looking for long term happiness, be careful with intolerance and make sure you're dating on much more solid ground than looks and age. I heard of a lot of russian marriages that by all obervations were genuine but failed after some number of years all the same. FiftyCent Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/7/2003 11:53:51 AM   INTOLER-A-N-C-E. there you go, you got it right the last time. Looks like the norwegian salmon and girls is doing you good... ONe thing though...All the norwegian girls that I know, were really lovely, pretty, fun loving, exciting, faithful and romantic. so why are you searching for a Russian girl, you Norg? norway Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/7/2003 1:12:10 PM   You two get lost. You got locked out and embarrassed in the last too strings, I'ld like this one to be about more than your libidos.Blah blah and I'm a porno star.I'm very convinved that the best sex you can get for yourselves is with hookers, fast and convienient. You have each others mail adresses if you like talking dirty to each other.Bet you do. This is not the forum. Understood? To others; it is an interesting point why so many Norwegians are looking east. Of course there are as many strong and compassionate men to match the woman here. On my part ( i'm not Norwegian) there's also a reason in adventure and curiousity. Some of the cultural differnces, perhaps a familiarity with human hardship, and deep passion for life, and yet still the soft and open femine side, these seem to appeal to me. Also the apparent interest many have in the classics - literaure, theatre, philospophy and psychology. From those I have talked to these seem to be mainstream sudies at school. Fascinating, although I'm a little sceptical to how much is a hang-over from communist times. markrammond Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/7/2003 2:12:25 PM   That girl you are with isn't called Svetlana is she? Sounds like a lady who stopped writing to me four days ago :( norway Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/8/2003 5:55:48 AM   Fine. But this a forum not a personal chat room. If anyone wants to chat you have the email adresses needed. I'm not intolerant to your endevours, but you can always start your own string. I'ld like to know the experiences and conclusions of those looking for someone spesial to grow old with, and are willing to make the effort to meet this person half way. Sweden Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/8/2003 8:52:31 AM   I have used the new "ad" feature and already got a number of replies. Surprisingly from many young women, around 20. (I am 44). I have narrowed my criterias in the ad, and said that I am looking for women not older than 25. Else there might be a lot of letters to answer...? I am surprised that Russina women are looking for elderly men. I have met a few that have been on tourist trips to Stockholm. That way, it has been easier for them to get a VISA, and I have arranged so that they could also date other men during their stay here. A friendly gesture to show that that I want what is best for them. We should not discuss sex here maybe, but it seems that it is a custom for them to say "thank you" after a nice dinner, by letting their date follow her to her room... Jerome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/8/2003 10:42:27 AM   Sweden: That is very selfless gesture! It also let’s them compare, and contrast to see if you, and her are really the one. I do not want this to turn into sex forum either, as it has, but Russian woman was the first to say thank you after pleasing ME in bed. Norway: you made good point about the equaling factor once they have been westernized, and the fact that a lot of the trivialities of the relationship disappear. Much of the excitement I have experienced in these relationships is the newness that is sustained for a longer amount of time because of the cultural differences, and at least on my end the fact that they are young, and beautiful… I have met, and corresponded with a lot of girls who are initially overwhelmed by western men and the amount of attention they receive…I have heard so many replies… “You represent everything in my beloved man, nice, tender, real artist, your are perfect man, touch the woman soul, etc., etc, etc… Obviously, in general these girls are starved for attention. Is this sort of strong initial attraction something that can lead to a long-term relationship? Yes… but for me I had to really spend the time to search for the right one for ME. The really young ones are serious about marriage, and are very loving and affectionate, but that doesn’t necessarily equal to the maturity you might be seeking in your partner… you have to look a little deeper past the surface, to find something with some longevity. FiftyCent: Go over to Moscow, and get laid! Hang out at Night Flight, Plant Hollywood, Voodoo Lounge, American Bar and Grill…hell even T.G.I.F. or McDonalds are good prospects. Good Luck. norway Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/8/2003 10:46:47 AM   50c, yall aint worth a dime of my time. Start your own string. Call it the goddess porno twins from Kiev, whatever.My advice is be a man, enough talk and wanking, go there. You wont find wtrav02 there. (Why is he on the forum do you think) You wont find it difficult to get laid there either, and you wont come home alone. You'll have some STDs with you. Herewith I ignore both 50c and wtrav02. So long forever. norway Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/8/2003 11:22:04 AM   Many feminists claim that all an old-fashioned marriage is, is glorified prostitution. Hard fact is that sex can be sold and the exchange rate is favourable in Russia, 1 + 1 = 2. Nothing complicated nothing macho or manly. Either in small amounts as with 50c and co or in a marriaged based on the provision of security, with kids included in the sale. Everybody sees through it too. Come home with a beautiful young russian woman and it's like coming home with a new car. Well you can buy a flash car, or ride some flash taxis, but in the end it's no big deal. How long do you intend looking at your car? What kind of people measure a man by his car? My advice is not to lose perpective just because your money is worth more in Russia. Think clearly like Jerome. Is this someone you can love, develope with, be humble and meek and strong and wise with, forever. Will she make you smile even when your dick is paralysed from a long bicycle ride? After all easiest organsm in the world is with a good right hand, and you can get attention and compliments from any sales lady. Ask rather is she worthy of you and therefore equal to you? Are you treating her like that? wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/9/2003 8:04:40 AM   Hello Norway. I'm still here dude having lots of fun. Maybe after she pulls her profile from that site when we're back in the city, I'll let you know the link so you can catch an eye on her pics and maybe you'll have something to do those cold nights in the arctic. You think all woman wants is mental romance and discussions about books and culture. You're wrong dude which planet you were born?? The physical part of a relationship is the most key. Otherwise why don't you get a friend dude?? What is wrong with all the mail writing and waiting for months to see each other?? you make an ideal picture of her and vice versa and then you meet and force yourselves to believe that physical part doesn't matter, it's all mental until you find out this is not true. Only it happens after she's already in your coutnry and you'll be humiliated dude because she will look for other men and she'll get laid with other men. There are primal insticts inside every person, man or a woman, that need be satisfied. As a man you are expected to "own" your woman, not in a possessive or passive way, but at her will because you'll be the one who satisfies her. The mental part is important but comes next, this is how we were created dude. You want to change the rules for you own reasons. I'd say go find a frtiend, a chat friend whatever, don't make a Russian woman unhappy. P.S. You and codered depict RUW as if she were from another planet. Cultural, insurmountable differeces, blah, blah. These are women dude just like every other women only better. They have needs every woman has only more intense. They need respect and domination. Do you get it?? norway Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/9/2003 8:59:15 AM   I wonder if there are a lot of men out there like listening to such remarks with respect and domination in the same sentence. Of course domination in bed is one thing. Nothing wrong with a bit of primeval theater every once in a while. But when folk go to the lengths of talking about their "friends" in such a way on the net, it's not about repect, is about a guilty need for self-justification. Like I said it's very easy to loose perspective. Masklov (bad spelling sorry) was a Russian pioneer in psychology and thought up the pyramid. At the bottom lies the basic needs, food and water. Without these, life is nothing but a constant hunt for just these. Once you're feed enough, then come primeval needs like sex and social recognition. Without some of this it's hard to move on up the pyramid. Towards the top are the non-primeval non-anmial human, attritibutes, search for the intellect and selv-realisation art and personal expression. Finally at the very top is the state of total non-selfishness, which just about nobody reaches. That's why when we eat food it's not just about calories and vitamens. It's become the art of good food. People don't just eat. That why when people haven't lost their perspective things like sex are not just about the fastest most convienent and self-pleasing lay. There is an art of combining sex with social integration, repect, equality COMPASSION and PASSION. And yes, like a good recipe it is a lot better. You can argue that if you don't know anything about good food, dog-food tastes as good as gormet. That might well be true. Personally I don't like dog-food. That precisely my warning to everyone here. Suddenly the second step of that pyramid is (temporarily) ridiculosly abundant and the tempatation is to move down the pyramid instead of up. TAKE HEED! CodeRed Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/9/2003 9:55:20 AM   Norway, I agree with you. It’s easy to see how wtrav02 has taken on the personality of 50c. At first he was respectful and was worth intelligent discussion. Now he has adapted to the personality of 50c. He no longer has his own style. He takes on the personality of the ones he admires. "Dude", "blah-blah" were not words he used till he associated himself with 50c. This is a flaw in his personality. I stopped participation for a while here because of the extreme immature comments. I felt that the forum was going astray. 50c and wtrav02 have abused it and have attempted to make it their own personal chat room and mis-information forum. Olga has just reposted a warning towards the abuse. I hope they take heed and this forum can return to its primary purpose. I could care less about their lack of morals and values. I don’t care to hear about their adolescent interpretation of RW woman and woman in general. Makes no matter to me what they do with their twins. This forum is not for their trash and garbage. I also agree with your pyramid analogy. Jerome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/9/2003 10:19:01 AM   Norway you crack me up with all your analogies riding new car vs. taxi cab, gourmet vs. dog food…give up your porn gig and be a writer, it’s nice to read entertaining stuff that is insightful at same time. Why do you waste so much time getting your view through to wtrav… you are on different areas of pyramid as you say…not necessarily different levels…everyone has their unique set of priorities. Your kipling poem applies here… One month wtrav is engaged to one Russian girl and he’s seriously asking if “Anyone can offer advice on how to overcome language barrier? … not only during the first letters, phone calls and the first visit, but also afterwards during the long period of wait for the visa. The girl is learning English at school, but the educational system in Russia is very superficial.” A month later he’s engaged to a different girl who is “second year in college (engineer), speaks perfect English (studies English since the age of 9), plays piano since the age of 7, she sings, she is into gymnastics…” Now it appears that he has new girl in Kiev. He travel’s to Europe, he’s into having serious fun. There are men doing this everywhere. I live in the #1 city in America for sex and fun according to playboy magazine, belo horizonte, brazil the women are more aggressive than eastern Europe…Argentina also has serious economic problems, and per capita the women are the most beautiful in the world, etc., etc., etc., again you can find any kind of person anywhere in the world… Concerning Russian women … all I can do is revert to my little personal exp. Sex is high up on my priorities, and when you find a person you can connect with on many levels the sex should be whatever your looking for. All the girls I have met in Russian were a million things more than sex… norway Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/9/2003 1:00:02 PM   Well this is all very enlightening. I didn't know wtravs history here, but it sounds like a classic example of how a normal person can end up moving down the pyramid when faced with dating Russian. Why do I bother - compassion and curiousity. There were 400 who read the last threads. Maybe ten will learn something advantageous, and maybe 20 russian woman will not get dissappointed or abused. I myself have found this forum useful so far getting to grips with the whole concept. And watch out, I'm English and therefore horribly sarcastic when faced with types like 50c. Of course I have nothing to do with the porn industry. Or do I..? Jerome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/9/2003 2:21:27 PM   yes, I realized when you said you don't like to take your work home with you, you were screwin with 50c... I think/hope he was playing around and having fun too. Anyway an undeniable bit of embezzles is always enchanting… norway Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/9/2003 3:20:15 PM   50c, yup not much is real with this man. But just here I touched on something, on purpose. He got mad, I mean real mad, so that Olga had to delete it, and called me, yes me, a pervert. He assumed that I was an editor of the magasine, i.e sexual onlooker. Throughout the string he expressed his sosialist phobia towards me, but when I became too much like the real him he got confused and angry. However when I replied that I was no editor but the studd (ie sexual actor) his attitude changed and I almost gained his "respect" and he wanted to associte himself with me a little. So you see 50c is really tied up with this sex=manhood demand he has on himself. He is by no means alone, so don't take it personally if you read this 50c. It's not like I haven't seen your humour too. norway Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/9/2003 3:53:00 PM   PS Sosialist phobia is relevant because in 50c's head it associates with meek compassion,feminity, naivness and unamericaness (50c is an american rap artist). Ie democratic sosialism is the opposite of "the grab it all for yourself, mark your territory and sexual prowess, eat or be eaten manhood". wtrav02 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/10/2003 6:02:17 AM   Jerome, just for the record the first and second girl you referred to are one and the same person. It's a girl that I met through the dating-ru site since last fall. The only other physical relationship (not just writing letters) that I have had with Ukrainian girl is the current one. I still haven't told the first girl that is over because I am not decided yet and I want to be sure before I hurt her (because I know she will feel big pain). Norway thinks any girl who looks good and enjoys sex is a stupid hooker. I came to this girl because I had the opportunity at this time and because I was so blown away by her pictures and attitude towards relationships. And, I was so much in the money because this girl is serious in the most amazing way. Norway may imagine that I am paying for the fun ... I am always a gentleman with women and never go for quick sex. It's the adventure of getting to know each other (yes norway including physical get-to-know) and the immense desire to conquere the woman to give her pleasure that none else has. This is my satisfaction that completes me much more than just finishing inside her. I know the techniques of prolonging the sexual act in order to allow the woman to have orgasm each time and it pays. For me orgasm is obligatory. True, passionate love always starts with hot love in bed. This girl is not a escort girl, she was featured on a serious marriage site. She just happens to be a very beautiful girl who poses for pictures to earn a living (for clothes not without clothes). Her father left her mother when she was pregnant. She never met her father and she doesn't want to. She was raised in a small city the hard way and she doesn't believe men (especially Ukrainian men). I am earning her trust day by day and in the same time falling in love with her. Being passionate person is an asset and a liability in the same time. But, it's the most important thing in life (at least that's me). Socrates whom I admire greatly used to ask only one question about people who just died: "did he have passion in his life?" norway Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/10/2003 6:45:03 AM   You make it painfully obvious for anyone else than yourself to know without the slightest doubt that we all have you 100% worked out on this point. You're a normal guy, slipped down the pyramid, hopefully temporarily. To help you back try this one. There are two attributes that humans have above the animals. The ability for passion and the ability for compassion. If, at any time you can't see boths of these human and often conflicting poles, then you are reverting. Murder is often also passion. It is just, at that point, the murderer has forgotten compassion. Passion is also what drives humans to thirst for knowledge and answers in life. Passion encompasses a lot, all the way up the pyramid. Also good food, and good sex.Woff woff. True pasionate love is by no means limited to the bed, or shower or back-alley. I don't know any man who doesn't get a kick out of the idea that he is really pleasing her in sex, that he is gods gift to woman.That his endevous to grant this are extraordinary. A little primitive and naive wouldn't you say? norway Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/10/2003 6:51:50 AM   Has it occured to you yet that her endevours to please you are based in the desperate desire to get compassion and recognition from you. That somehow by your arrogant and forthright style you fit an image she has of the father she never met, and she is seeking from you the recognition she never got from her father? 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