I Just got back from visiting Odessa and Kharkov. I posed a question earlier about the opinion of people on whether to tell the ladies that I was going to visit about the other woman before I go there. I visited two women, one in Odessa and one in Kharkov. I decided not to tell them before I went there that I was seeing another woman. I now think that it is very important to tell them before you get on the plane and they know exactly what you are doing. They both asked. The first one did not ask directly but she asked where I was going after I left Odessa. I told her. This was after two days. She was very hurt.
The second woman used an interpreter and asked me directly if I had seen any other women during my trip when we first met. I lied to this one. Shouldn't have lied I know, but it put me in a bad spot and I was uneasy with the question. I didn't ask them how many men they were seeing or had seen. I didn't ask them how many men they were swapping love letters with. I would recommend in the future that any man that gets on a plane to go see an FSU woman tells them exactly what he intends to do.
By the way my opinions on a couple of things. Do not go to more than one city in a trip unless they are very close. Airlines are not as dependable as the USA and there may be only one flight per day to another city. I missed one such flight from Odessa to Kharkov. You cannot get there directly unless you go by train. Train is cheap I think it would have cost me only 10$ to go from Odessa to Kharkov and it would have taken about 8 hours. Plane was more expensive and it took me longer.
Stay in an apartment instead of a hotel. The apartments are cheaper and much nicer.
If your woman does not speak your native language, find another one. Using an interpreter is a difficult experience for someone who has never used one before. At first you feel somewhat awkward in trying to communicate. Later you find that when you say something that several minutes of conversation occur between the woman of your interest and the interpreter. Later you begin to realize that the lack of communication makes getting close very difficult. I even had one of those fancy translators from Ectaco but so many things do not translate well. My interpreter was a wonderful person. When you would ask her if her day was OK, she would tell me that her all her days were not just OK but they were perfect. I should have dated her instead of the other girl.
Food prices are not too bad. I think that food with a glass of wine came to about $25/plate in very nice restraunts.
I have decided to continue a relationship with the first lady from Odessa. Do not know where it will take us, but she is definately a woman that is world class.
She introduced me to her family. Took me to see many of the sites in Odessa. We went to see a circus in town with her young nephew. All in all it was the most romantic time I have spent with a woman in many years. She also introduced me to her friends who were very nice also. If a woman does not do this for you, then do not consider her as a life mate.
The woman are serious about finding a husband. I asked one of the friends of the lady in Odessa why so many women wanted International Husbands. She told me an interesting thing along with the usual that the men are alchoholics and bums. She told me that the ratio of women to men was 4 to 1. That many men died in the Afghan war and others and that also for some reason there was more women born than men. The men that are still there also cheat on their wives because of the amazing amount of women.
Olga, you had said before that I should have been up front with these women. You were absolutely correct.
Sorry, but I don't buy into that "all Russian/Ukie men all alcoholics/bums" theory. I've been to Russia on numerous occassions and just haven't seen it. In fact, I see it more here in the United States. What they really mean to say is that their dreams of a comfortable life can never be realized with a Russian/Ukie man.
Maybe there is hope yet! After the US spends another few yers in Afganistan and Iraq there will be a surplus of women!
I wholeheartedly agree that interpreters are a complete waste of time. Having a pen and paper and drawing pictures would at least be a fun way of communicating! How do you portray feelings through a third person?
This idea of more women than men is just fantasy.
Only a fraction of a percent of men would have been killed in their wars and nature always throws 105 men to every 100 women.
If you compare the stats of men and women in Unkraine between the ages of 25-30 you will find a similar balance to anywhere else in the world.
Puntin himself discribed 30% of the men as alcohlics, that with the very low wages of 3/4 of the population, is really their problem.
What would be interesting to know is their average house price to average anual income ratio. It would seem many things are very expensive there, in comparison to their earnings.
$50US for a meal in my country would be expensive, yet we earn many times more than they do in Ukraine. Doesnt make sense to me why things are so expensive in the FSU.
You defiantly did wrong thing then you not cancel meeting with the second women. There always will be opportunity in your life to cheat with another world class woman. Internet is an excellent tool for it.
Are you sure that you are ready to find a wife not just a set of girlfriends?
I don't think Ernesto did too many thing wrong. Especially if this is his first trip. If I were to go and see multiple women, I would never tell them that. Remember they like any woman want to feel special. Not just one of several. I have been to Ukraine and Russia and both times I went to see one person. Maybe cause I like to keep it simple and be with one woman.
I agree that apartments are cheaper. I paid 45 US per night in Dnepropertrosvk, Ukraine. I had a living room, bedroom, bath and kitchen. Actually very nice. The food was reasonable and cheap too. Compared to US prices.
The Ectaco is okay. I took one and we used it. It is good for getting your point across but she must know some english or you some russian. Make an effort to learn some basic russian. She will be more impressed by that than a gadget.
The whole alcoholic argument is BS in my opinion. I think it is more that men like to fool around and the women don't like it.
Later
Thank you for telling your story. The more info I get the better I can decide what is best. There have been
other threads I read that said the guys should be honest and tell the girls they visit that they will be meeting other girls. I can understand that reasoning. For those who advise to tell women you are seeing other women on your
trip........How many times have the women they have gone to see, told them that a guy came to see them the day before
or the weekend before or maybe the next weekend? I think that is my problem with telling girls I will be seeing other
girls also...why should the guy be honest and the girl not tell anything...or do they? If I girl asks me about seeing
other girls, I probably will tell her but should I be asking her the same question? How honest will she be?
Where do all of you stand on this????
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Trust me. The girls are dating, and or communicating with other foreign men. And that does not include the local guy she is seeing. They all have one! The local guy may be as serious as a boyfriend, Or a married man who gives her gifts and money (I call them investors), or it's just a guy she has sex with from time to time. I have been to the Ukraine 10 times and lived there for four months in 2004. Sorry guys! I've been the other foreign guy many times! Its a fact guys these girls are not lonely! I keep my business private and when they hit me with that question about other girls I hit them right back with it. But I also let them know that if I find the one who captures my heart then I will be loyal and make her the only one. They all seem to have respected me that I stood up to them but also gave them the answer they wanted at the end. I will commit if you do!
To Deano. But in the same time agencies write about traditional girls and oldfashion values! And some people seem to belive it!
And of course EVERY woman want to be special...I think its better to lie:)
ernesto i think $25 for a meal in odessa is very expensive for ukrainians. Cant you get a nice meal in a less nice restaurant for about $8? The same meal and same quality? You only need to go to a nice restaurant once or twice with your lady not every day you know. she can cook at home.
I agree with Bagira on this one.
I think it is best to choose your favourite and plan to stay with her your whole trip.
Plan your backup to kick in after 3or 4 days.
If your favourite girl doesnt work out, cut your visit with her short and visit your backup as planned.
If all is going well with your favourite, ring and cancel your backup.
That way you are giving it the best shot, but not lying.
Ernesto, you must've met an old lady if her man died in Afghan war. I met a girl in Kishinev whose father had been in Afghan war. He showed me his medals and other memorabilia. At least, that explains why you met serious ladies in your trip.