Your story reminds me of my own sitution last year. A woman wrote me a few emails saying she was coming to NZ and would I like to meet her. I said sure I would be glad to meet you and 3 weeks or so later she turns up. We meet for coffee and immediately I decide there is no attraction here so I wont be seeing her any more in case it jeopardizes my other prospects.
Well a few days later shes messaging me, why I am not calling her and taking her out. When I tell her it is not a happenning thing, she is right pissed off!!!! The thing is, she had not come to see me, I did not ask her to come here, so I felt I owed her nothing.
Each day I read on these forums the same situation in reverse. Guys travel on nothing and when the girls dont show up or they show little interest, the guys complain that the girls are all scammers!!!!!
There is one difference you do not mention.....no matter who goes where...the girls always expect the guy to anti-up and let the money go....hence being scammed. If the girl paid for everything then you will not have guys complaining.....well I guess some guys will complain about anything!!!!
My first experience with women was talking to my sister about her boyfriend. He was taking her out all the time.
Dinners, nightclubs, Exotic bars in Hollywood ...ect. After a couple months, I didn't see him anymore, so I asked
my sister what had happened to him. She blurted out proudly.....he ran out of money!!!!! :)))
Money talks... It is infrequent, but from time to time I read in some profile (not necessarily in fiance.com) that the lady is looking for, say, a tall, athletic and rich man. Or maybe an intelligent, with good sense of humour, blah blah, and rich man. I think it is rare because a girl must be really dumb, let alone shameless, to write something like this in her profile. "Generous" is a much more widely used term. I wonder if, in the jargon of profiles, a generous man is:
I've got money, but I wouldn't want any former spouse, especially if she's from Russia, to walk away with half, including my pension. You got to be careful playing this game. One can get burned fairly easily.
I am afraid that many girls - not only in the FSU - would vote d) as the "generous man" of the year.
I've got money too! I think it's enough for two entrance tickets to some trendy disco, a couple of drinks, a condom packet, and the taxi to take her home the next morning. More seriously, I am pretty sure that the Italian laws are strict enough and do not allow foreign women to easily and/or quickly rip you off and walk away with half your money. One can still get burnt in many other ways, anyway. But this is true with any woman, of any nationality. I've been training with Italian women...
Re: Long term letter writing -- You know, IMO it's hit or miss. I wrote one girl who mislead me to believe ( my fault) that she was sincere, caring, affectionate and very warm, while every letter was charming and remarkably warm and friendly.
After 6 months of writing 2x a week, we finally did meet in Odessa. She had obviously lied about her entire personality. She was brought up cold with a harsh outlook on life and people while her values were based on material possessions ( as a lot of the young Ukrainians are becoming).
Yet I had a very nice meeting with her opposite with a girl the agency set me up with. The girl was pretty (she is on Fiance.com), sweet and very warm and charming. But after having such a bad experience and still having thoughts of Girl#1, I warned the agency I could not see this very pretty girl again...
So in saying this, its a complete crap shoot guys. Some girls are gold-diggers, dating scammers, yet some are very sincere and very loving and devoted types... both girls were under 21, the younger (18) being the very sincere girl who up till several months ago continued to ask the agency how I am doing...
I will probably write a new girl, but she has to convince me 100% she is not a gold-digger who will whore her heart and body to marry a rich man. It is more common than the very pretty, sincere and modest girl every one of us probably originally thought we would find when we signed up and wrote our first letter.
king, I been seeing a lot of new girls last few months specifically stating a man must be:
D) "Successful" (already achieved successes), and even "rich" or "generous" materially. It is sickening and funny at the same time. But it is a lot more common now than I would have thought possible! Most of these profiles are in Odessa and Kiev, yet have seen this phenomena hit the smaller town girls too these last few months.
Use "SUCCESSFUL" in your keyword search and just take a look for yourself and see em crawl out of the woodwork like grubby worms scurrying away from the light. ;p
In return, they don't get many letters (not popular). Men are getting smarter and these women are being much blatant and arrogant about why they chose to join an agency in the first place -- its their chance to win the lotto by spreading their legs for money. So much for romance and true love -- as long as you got the cash to feed their appetite.
Days are long gone when most all a profile states was for a man to be financial secure (have a job). I don't see it changing any time soon. It's too bad.
i totaly hear what you guys are saying.
but you also have to understand that many of these men who go to the FSU for wifes are ugly fat men! yes some are "old" are "older" but i have seen many older men who can be considered handsome and do quite well with the ladies. in fact, anastasiaweb.com sent me a video of their tours, etc. this one hour video showed many of the men who go to these tours and i kid you not, 90% are ugly,fat or retarded looking. hey im just telling how i see it. and it makes sense, why would a good looking man who is succesfull go all across the world to meet a woman? possibly because he cant score here? i think if most men took are of themselves, got on a diet and dressed and groomed well, they would be succesful here in the states, at which point they could meet a crooked, backstabbing american woman as opposed to meeting one in the FSU. im a personal trainer and have helped many guys, young and old, to lose weight, get in shape and ultimately do well with the ladies. you have to remember, women are just like us, they want to be with someone who is attractive and fit. yet its amazing to see these pigs going to the ukraine to find a wife only to get burnt later.
Retarded?Can't Score here? Yep I want you as my personal trainer. Another video watcher and expert on men that go over to the FSU. As for the diet, I'll take the Ukrainian diet over anything here in the States. Especially since all of our vegetables we have grown on our own.
Maybe instead of worrying about pecs and abs, maybe you should worry about the corruption of our culture, which is biased towards looking good and lacking much intelligence. Hell scoring in the States isn't a big problem. Though check the purse, about any type of anti-this or that drug will be in there. So much for the physical exercise.
Why would a good looking guy go over to Ukraine and find a wife, well along with being good looking he has some intelligence and he understands that their culture is more like it was 50 years ago in the states. Lacking in selfish, get all you can get, screw over your neighbor attitudes that are considered in vogue today here.
As a young adult I envied my parents relationship. Now I'm living it and I truly understand how screwed up American liberal society has become. Keep buying that bottled water and head to Ballys, I drink from the tap and use my stair stepper and free weights.
Well I did get a chance to see some of the guys in the agencies... what John said had relevance to the majority of men going there.
In Colombia I was with two guys that were decent looking and in my age group 25-30ish and from the States. Of course there were a more older guys who would cause girls to flee a bar if they walked in. ;) j/k.
Reason I wanted to have a Ukraine wife was simple for me. I thought they would be very modest, humble and sincere. I missed the boat of 1996-2002. They said those years were the glory years when dreams could come true.
Now its flakey guys who cant score a local girl, dont have a high-paying job, middle-aged (50+) looking for a young thing to get their ego up and keep them dreaming... yep, keep dreaming -- its a gold-digger + sex tourist market now... they deserve each other...
Pity... its a rare girl who is sincere unfortunately.
Nas - i got to disagree with you on one point. Culture is like ours back in the 50's? You got to be kidding. Maybe in the small towns, but it's more like the greedy 80's. lol!
Corruption is worse in Odessa than in Cali Colombia. Just start wrapping about it to the locals and they will unload the horror and humor of some Ukraine local pulling one over on a Westerner and getting rich doing it... More like gangster 30's! ;0
Apal, if you in your 40's chasing a girl in her 20's you're probably correct. Hell Odessa is the worst city in Ukraine anyone can spend their time in for corruption. We had a former member here that had a cousin killed there. My Taxi driver from Mariupol was mugged and beaten there. Corruption is a given in Ukraine for some.
Greedy 80's? Prosperity is greed? I don't think so. I like you guys who cite the merits of Columbia. It is humorous. Cali better than Odessa? The Ukrainian Cartels haven't been poisoning societys for years.
If your chasing the 18 to 25 year olds you can bet your wallet that they want to use you. 1996-2002 the Glory years, maybe but you can find an intelligent beautiful woman now if you want to be patient. Going to meet 4-5 women on a trip won't get it done.
Guys hunting for a trophy wife as they say, get what they deserve. In reality it's not common to find a 50ish guy with a 25 year old here in the states, why would they think the mentality would be different in Ukraine? One reason and one reason only, that they can buy beauty with their money and material lifestyle which is a vacant concept and in no way promotes a healthy and loving relationship.
If you going to Ukraine because you are a goofball, nerd, zero or just a plain asshole, you're not going to find success in Ukraine. Remember they have had more than their healthy dose of idiots from the states coming to Ukraine.
My reason for going to Ukraine is what I stated above, finding a relationship like my parents had. It does exist there, the culture promotes it if you find the right lady. Though you won't find that mentality with the 20 somethings. They've had this misgiving and no thanks to Hollywood that all are streets are paved with gold. Guy's making 50k a year can succeed over in Ukraine. It just takes patience and common sense and being in the real world.
If you think you're going to score the supermodel on your trips their, you need a wake up call. Take a look in the mirror and get back to reality.