I have went through looking at profiles on this site and there are a lot of women who have private e mails. My question is how come none of them have sent me a letter of interest? I placed my profile a few weeks ago to see what kind of response I would get with my photo and basic information. I have just the basic plan, no premium, no V.I.P.
I have recieved 45 letters ALL from women with agency e mails only, not one woman with private e mail! Does anyone see a problem here? Does anyone think this is kind of odd not getting even one women out of 45 with a private e mail? I don't want to hear, you get what you pay for either. That line is a copout for anyone to use. If these women are free to write the men, then I should have recieved at least some letters from women with private e mails. Zero! but if you upgrade you can write the first letter free but all other letters forthwith will cost you, unless you go with the VIP plan. Something is not right with this site. Since they review all new topic's before posting this will probably never see the forum. Because, they cannot explain away 45 agency e mails, and 0 private e mails. Robertjay
RJ,
Because, in the old fashioned world, it is for the man to make the first move. 99% of men will be doing exactly that and these ladies will be too busy responding to 'he who dares wins' to worry too much about the bone idle individual who expects the ladies to come running to him.
Hi!
I have seen your profile...It was very little information about you. And photo? You want ladies to ask you about yourself! Remember, this place is market were people looking for someone special :-))
Old Fashioned? you have got to be kidding. So what you are saying is the ones with private e mails are old fashion and will not write the man first? So this must mean the women with agency e mails ( 45 of them ) are not old fashion. My post has nothing to do with as you say Quote " expects the ladies to come running to him". It is strictly that the only ones that I recieved on this site is connected to an agency.
If you do not see what I am talking about then you are blind.
I posted my profile NOT to be a bone idle individual, I posted to see what women would respond, so far Agency 100% private 0%. This is old fashion? Instead of explaining why Martin you attack me as a lazy individual which is not the case. This was a test of my chosing and what information I have given here speaks for its self. Numbers do not lie. In this case "he who dares could lose" I am just being cautious in the use of any site as all men should. I take nothing for granted. Robertjay
RJ,
Agency ladies are very much more likely to respond because they have non 'pay as you go' internet and the agencies are suggesting to them that they write to Mr A, B or C.
My use of 'old fashioned' referred to romance and not who is registered with an agency and who isn't.
You haven't written to the ladies because you're too tight to pay for it and that the bottom line of your gripe, because you're too tight.
Well your'test'proved what? You had 100% response from girls in agency. Big deal!! Just a matter a numbers. You say you posted your profile to see what response you get, well,it doesn't seem your in this for the girls. When you
write your thesis on probabilities you have some info now. If you are interested in girls, roll up your sleeves
spend some money and do the work of writing letters, you see, women do not come running to men!!!
'he who dares could lose'...
how about ' he who does nothing, gets nothing'
Like others, I am amazed that robertjay doesn't get this. Agencies PROFIT by encouraging corespondence between men and women. Whether it be fee per letter, mark-ups on gifts, "fiance visa kits" - whatever.... agencies PROFIT when men and women begin to write to each other and the whole process begins.
THEREFORE women who are listed with agencies are encouraged BY THE AGENCY to write to as many men as possible. You may not believe this (or like it) but there is a good chance that few of the 45 women who "wrote to you" (through the agency) even really wrote to you AT ALL. Its quite likely that the agency itself, because you met certain criteria of what the lady was looking ofr, generated the first letter - a boilerplate introduction letter that the lady has arranged to have sent for ALL prospecting. Hopefully, if you respond favorably and write back to the canned intro letter, the lady in question will send a personal second letter back to you and then the whole letter writing process begins.
It is MUCH MORE UNLIKELY that a lady will go to an internet cafe herself, look up your profile and write a personal letter to you. Its just not the way it works. Russian women like real MEN who take the initiative on their own. Their profiles are listed and they would like to feel that they are attractive enough to get YOUR attention. That is why, in real life, women wear perfume and attractive clothing. Real men are the ones who pursue. They don't wait for some lady to fawn over them.
Ladies are also aware that the letter writing process is being paid for by someone. They can smell a cheap man from a mile away - they can especially sense one who is too cheap to buy membership and to write to them.
I used a well-known agency in Ukraine for a little while. I would receive these "intro" letters from the woman, and when I wrote back, they often had no idea who I was.
Their second letter often said something like "thank you for noticing my profile; it was a nice surprise to get your letter." Their "second" letter would then go on to give much of the same information as their "intro" letter--"I know English a bit, I have a cat at home, I like to dance at discos, I dream of traveling...."
I guess this can depend on how good your profile-photos-first letter package is. I have not done any... statistics, but the rate of positive responses to my first letters is very high, with only few declines. I have nothing to brag about, since I haven't found my mate, yet. I am just trying to get things straight.
First of all RJ, these ladies don't spend their every waking moment waiting for some guy to write them. Even if they have a private email, they may not see their email for a week at a time. They don't live with one or two computers in their houses as we do. I received a couple of emails from ladies with private emails. Pretty much not interested due to the lack of communication.
What I find really funny is the condescending tone you receive from some here, that have derided fiance.com in the same fashion as you are right now. That's hypocriscy. If you don't want to pay, go on a freepersonals site, there are some here that can guide you in that direction. So when they call you cheap and tight, take it for what it's worth. Fiance.com is a pretty good value as long as you don't expect them to hold your hand from beginning to end like some here expect.
I think Jet covers it all pretty well. This isn't going to be a cheap adventure. If you complaining over a few bucks for a membership on this site, I would suggest you rethink this whole idea, because this is going to be the least expensive part of the journey, unless your bitching about being a keyboard romeo google pilot, then you are wasting the real girls time that want to meet someone.
As a beginner, I find this thread to be very relevant since I noticed the same thing regarding only girls with agency emails writing me.
Naturally, a person should be skeptical about handing money over to an anonymous source that promises contact with real women, yet requires the most expensive membership that the website offers.
If Fiance.com wants my money, which I am willing to give otherwise I would not be here, then it needs to make available women that have an agency email.
Theres nothing wrong with agency women, just realize they are with an agency to advertise and basically market them I guess you can say. So, the agency sends an intro letter. Maybe she will have an interest in you when she finds out you want to have contact with her.
Also, from my point of view there is no way to do all this for a bargain. It costs real time and money. You need to really be able to sacrifice and do whatever you have to do to make this happen and have success. Just dont pick the wrong girl. Thats the trick.
Then after all the courting and luck and BS is overwith the real test comes. She needs to adjust to a new country and culture, her family and friends are in another part of the world. This can be just as difficult as the road you took to find her.
(Bitching about being a keyboard romeo google pilot)
That's funny, the only one continuously bitching around here is he that wrote it, perhaps admin can run a check on the IP address that I am writing from, I'm writing from a dating agency in Zaporozhye and just going out for dinner with the agency owner, now who's the keyboard romeo google pilot?
Who cares about IP addresses. Hell I even emailed here from Mariupol. Keep working those dating agencys. Maybe those are one's you had recommended from the guys from RWGuide. Should be taking your wife out to dinner instead of the agency owner. Better yet, you should start working on her immigration to the United Kingdom. But then Maybe this week your wife owns the agency! Next!