I find the sexuality of Ukrainian woman uncomparable. Her desire for unconditional sex, her passion to give and receive orgasm is overwhelming.
If you go to Yalta or Kiev or any other place during this time of the year, you will feel the lust on the street. Most girls are dressed like hookers even during the day. Skirts up to the belly button, multicolor pants, silver color skirts, t-shirts that read provocative americanized slogans like "I WANT SEX", other logos on the ass of their pants. Makeup suggests "I WANT YOU SO BAD", purple, pink, dark red lipstick, eyelashes, etc. They walk provocatively on the street, two to four of them like saying "come to me I'm available". When they smell the s... of the yank, they get excited. Their eyes are penetrating force. They have no problem looking deep in the eyes of the yank even if man is with other woman. This is a sex paradise better than daytona spring break and south padre. These girls just came out of soviet/communist opporession and discovered they are free to enjoy their womanly sexuality any way they want. They are incredible in bed sex and off the bed sex. They are permissive and it's easy to convince them to perform sexual acts unknown to them. The yank's phantasies come true here in former soviet land. Who would expect it a few years ago, but after all we are the winners and winner takes it all!
Sounds exactly the same as in Russia, was there a month ago for the first time. One has to experience it to believe it's for real, and it is the only place (I know of) where the women also do the hunting, or at least aid the hunter. And blimey, they syart young!
You describe the same line of thought I had, but they are not sluts - they're merely honest and have to compete, and do not think it funny to do exactly that.
Enjoy!
This is what I have been trying to say all along. They are not sluts. And there is more to write about than just sex. What wtrav02 has stated is well known and not denied. However, Thats all he wants to write about. There are allot more things we can write about than that. Its seems he thinks its a discovery of his and he is like a little boy in a candy shop. Grow Up! Yes what you say is true to a degree but there is more to these woman than that. These woman are sexualy active. But thaty are also very smart, witty, and know what they want in life. They are compassionate and can take care of themselves just fine. Sure we all enjoy sex. I just think that we dont need to hound on it all the time like this is all they are good for. That they will not have any values. ONE (1) of the reasions they want to leave because their men treat them like sluts. So why do you want to do the same thing. I love their lust for life and their sexuality. But look past all that and you will see allot more.
The way I perceived Russian women on my trip there is that they are in no way uptight or embarassed about their sexuality. It's a simple and sad fact that western women use their sexuality to manipulate men. If a Russian girl wants you, she wastes no time in letting you know. They don't play the childish games with you that western women will, and that certainly does not make them sluts.
This site is fast becoming subject to gestapo type censorship. Not very interesting to have first seat on codered's lecture on western ethics. What do you say Olga? How come you never deleted any of codered's postings? Why you have allowed him to become the site's cop? Any association there?
wtrav 02, as soon as I'll find codered's postings insultive, offtopic or something else-be sure they will be deleted immediately. I didn't allowed him to be a site cop and i always thought that it is not needed. But during last two weeks this forum turned into place where people post what they want( I am okey with that, thats what the forum is for)and dont watch their language( I am not okey with that).
I am discovering RUW sexuality myself. The first girl I was with was good in bed but kind of reserved otherwise. I don't think she represented typical RUW profile. My current girlfriend has it all. And, one has to go to Russia Ukraine in summer when people go out and it's easier to get a sense of the openess in flirting, body nudity and sexual behavior of the Ukrainian woman (never been in Russia). I enjoy it like I'm in heaven. You're absolutely right, Thundersome, they're not sluts and they're not pretentious like western women. Long live RUW extravaganza.
Wtrav, I don't find what you are descibing particularily Russian. All that, (appart for the thirst for rich westerners) is 50 years old here in Norway. Come here and see it, it's not far away. Go to any town centre here on any day of the week and there is a meat market with very little clothes or descretion standing in the way. Womans sexuality is not all that different to mens. There are men types like you, and there are woman types like you. Most of you are going through candy store phases.
But the town centre meat markets are in fact a sub-culture. They are not representative. You have to live here to know that. A little naive visitor to Norway from the states will soon come away with the wrong impression.Sure it's candy and it's sickly sweet candy at that. Live it for a few months and it won't give you more than going for a leak after a few to many beers. I don't find you writing paragraphs about the pleasures of drinking all you can and pissing it all out. You're still stuck on that second step of the pyramid .
Like you say, these girls are not sluts, and nor are you.
Member as Friend, I bet he's around 40. It is the main contributor to his massive enjoyment because these young 'uns deplete his battery so thoroughly :)
Wazzap02, better not answer that, it just might keep this thread alive. Lie though your teeth or ignore would be my advice.
Oh, and Member, by the sounds of it you have not been shopping in Russia yet. Scandinavian girls might be pining for the Fjords, but russian one's seem to pine for backseats of Fords.
Olga, please sit down and listen.
A forum like this can be nice if it is interesting to while in.
You are moderator of this site hence have to police it, like it or not, and you're being aided by a hyper-active volunteer, like it or not, who in fact supercedes you, like it a lot?
Go through the recent threads and count the names. I know you can count but you're going to struggle to count to 5. Then agree with me that all 5 are male, making you, in fact, an outsider here.
Reading driblings of a few quarreling males borders on boring, and the odd odd comment is worth a lot more than 50 cents in this regard.
My advice is not to police too much, leave it as is - for what it is. Leave the farging language in so that an icehole can be recognized as such, and do keep in mind you're moving in a - apparently - male domain here.
But change that too: have the Ladies contribute actively, have them post postings. Chances are the used language will reduce to just that, the subjects touched will be more diverse, but also their participation will attract more visitors than just the current handful. In fact the entire site might benefit from such, the girl's own popularity could too.
If they go public that is, incognito is fine also.
After all, I myself also hide quite characterless behind a pseudo, to prevent unwanted consequences and also me being tracked down by these infidel bountyhunting pigs for a measly capitalist 5M US$ :)
Point is Olga, it could make the site more interesting hence more popular.
hi Thunderdome
please understand that this forum is not my property.and what I do there-is just a part of my job, that goes along with company rules. According to those what you call "farging language" is not appropriate here. Peple can say whatever they want here, we just ask them watch the way they say it,
Thats not a chat on some www. adult-chat-blablablabla.net site. A fact that it is a forum for men doesnt justifies some member's language in any way. I think you will agree with me that any topic can be discussed avoiding those words, and adding some dirt to this forum will not make it more interesting and popular, at least Fiance.com is not going to get it at that price. Following your suggestion, why don't people get free beer in libraries and don't get to see strip t shows in historic museums? That would certainly make those places more popular too;-) Thats regarding company's rules about this forum.
As for my personal oppinion( even if you say I am an outsider here, I still have a chance to say what I think, right? ;-) I think that farging language is not the only way to make people read one's postings. In my oppinion this is a way of ignorant and narrow-minded people to spice up their speech and attract attention. That has nothing to do with being a man( se your post above about a male forum).
As for ladies participation-they are welcome here.As far as I remember I haven't seen any girls here that would like to take place in discussion.
To Norway: I just turned 36. I never said all RUW are sluts, I said many dress like sluts and if you go there, you'll see it. I've been with many women from various cultures Asian, European, SA. You're right about candy. Every candy has its own flavor. You can eat lots of candy and still want more that's why they call it candy. Tasting the same candy every day is boring, it just tastes like ovecooked meat and potatoes. Life is an endless pursuit of pleasure.
To Thunderdome: have you ever considered that there may be people who may not be serious about getting married to RUW but enjoy more than a quick fuck. Deplete energy? that's a good one!!
Ladies post postings on the gallery (you can find it on the first page of the site on the top). Most ladies don't participate in the forum because they don't have time, don't speak English and don't have the money to spend in internet cafes (1 hour costs anywhere between 1-2.5 US). Sounds you're very new to this whole thing. Your point though about a few males quarelling on this site is right on the money. It is becoming boring.
Sugar with pear flavour, sugar with chocolate flavour, it's just candy all the same. and you are right that the same candy is boring, I would just add that living off any candy is boring.
When I was a kid I promised myself that when I earned a wage I'ld never eat food again, only chocolates and various flavours of candies. And I did, got a paper-round and I went for the hedonistic thing -- for about a week.
Since then, I eat gourmet, with some exellent chocolates for desert. Sure it's the same sugar milkfats and cocoa mixed up in one or another way, but you'll be surprised how suprising refreshing and new it can taste done right. Not like that first week.
I agree it's getting boring. It's an ancient theme, hedonism. I'm going to drop it, are you?
I know what you are taking about wtrav… my fiancé usually dresses very stylish, classic, but a couple of times when we went to discos she put on these clothes where I was like, who the hell are you? …I have never been to Kiev…but one girl I corresponded with went to Kiev for weekends with her friends in the summer to stay at cousins apt. just to walk around the city because they were bored…and had little money to do much else…the photographs she sent me of them looked like they were going to an aerobics class… But I think these are the clothes available to them and what their idea of sexy is…There are very young American girls who work a lot harder to achieve the same look…
When I was with my fiancé in Moscow, yes everywhere you get those looks…and what’s worse is the girls give your girlfriend those jealous…or you bitch looks… and then your girlfriend is hanging on to you and actually proud that she’s attached to you…try riding the metro around Moscow for two weeks…you get every kind of look from every kind of person male/female..old/young For me it is all very similar to what I have experienced in Latin America… But this to me is not real…it is for the most part initiated on the western $$ thing you mention
I have to agree it all depends were your from or what you are used to, and what age group you’re in, or what you looking for in a girl. I live in one of the most liberal cities in USA… the second summer session at the University just began Monday…it is in the high 90’s Fahrenheit, and girls are laying out in their bikinis on campus reading, and sunbathing… there are over 100 spring fed swimming holes in this area…most choose not to wear tops…a couple of county park swimming holes are clothing optional. I have lived in this city off, and on 16 years… It is summer the climate is hot, and people tend to wear fewer clothes… the young girls are very liberal/sexual and are constantly in training for spring break… in some ways they are more honest than the stereotypical idea of Russian girls because many just want a creative guy, and aren’t yet concerned about the bankroll… When I described my impression of Russia Women to my close friends they say look around, can you see the hypocrisy in what you just said…
When you spend time in a new place it is hard at first to be objective… I think the fact that it is new and exciting, at least for me personally, makes me look at the women in a different way initially… especially physically
The problem is I run into so many men using this (cultural/financial) to their advantage and exploiting this aspect of the relationship… Me and my fiancé went to a couple of the clubs that I recommended to 50cent in a previous post/topic…and there are all the Russian girls dressed to kill and all the Americans dumbfounded at how easy it is to get attention, and actually developing some false arrogance towards the situation… my fiancé is fairly attractive…and of course I have no problem with the looks she got on the streets etc… because she is with me…but when the Americans would completely check her out in an elevator, or somewhere, and smile at me… I mean did they not realize this might be insulting to me??? I don’t perceive her as a hooker, or an easy lay in anyway… She has a very classic beauty… when she come to America I am sure she will get looks… But you remove the women out of Russia…or your perception and then what is she?
If there is a generalization that I can make about RW’s sexuality maybe they are more passionate, and open about it than Western women while still possessing some sort of innocence? I do not know…
In all my travels especially Moscow, Costa Rica, Panama, Venezuela, Brazil… I have found men that treat prostitutes like ladies, and ladies like prostitutes…
Wtrav Concerning girls 'dressed like sluts' I feel you thought I misquoted you. I repeat what I wrote:
"Like you say, these girls are not sluts, and nor are you."
Signing off. Good luck to all. Sorry Wtrav/50c if I stepped over the line. Thamks especially to Jerome for some good write ups and insight into this process. I have a girl from home, so at least for now, ...that's all folks.