back to the subject matter . 9davo mentioned that cindyagency are basically not to be trusted i think it is that agency in Dnepropetrovsk that the ladies are spoiled for choice in their selection of men.Foreign men are queing up to see them and so they have this spoiled attitude.
Ladies in Krivoy Rog i have found to be more open and friendly.
Dishonest ones exist in Krivoy Rog too, Van. Theres a Svetlana scammer, a Elena ( Helen ) scammer and possibly the one I encountered from there too.
Krivoy Rog might be off the beaten track for looking for girls but there on the internet too..Ukraine girls seem to have desire to rip men off bred into them, wherever they are!
I have been to Dnepropetrovsk twice both times to meet the same lady from the Cindy agency. The apartments were fine, the office staff was great. I really liked my interpreter. The lady was wonderful the first time. The second time the lady was fairly cold. No eye contact moved away when I touched her back. I told her I felt like a burden to her and would rather walk away as a friend. The eye contact was back after that and we parted as friends. I sent flowers and chocolates for womans day and her birthday. I learned later that she had run into an old school sweetheart between my visits and now they are married. We are still good friends. The next time I go I want to meet her family.
Of course the area I have concern about is the email forwarding. Each Interpreter has a certain number of ladies to interpret emails to. They are paid on a percentage. Each Interpreter is an individual so a different set of scruples exist in each one. I was writing to two ladies who seemed to get very warm (not dirty just friendly) I decided that I would ask each for her phone number, if They gave it to me I was communicating with them if not there was a good chance I was only communicating with the Interpreter. Both sent rejection notices immediately. I had the physical address of one from another agency. I wrote her a letter with a stamped addressed envelope in it. She replied fairly rapidly saying she needed me to tell her about myself and wanted to see a photo of me. At this point I did not know where to go. I had sent a half a dozen photos and told her all about myself through the Cindy Agency. Had she never received anything I wrote or is it possible she would respond this rapidly and deceive me because she was not interested. The last time I was there there was a gentleman there who had been writing for some time to a lady who he came to meet. She refused to meet him. My advice if you use the email forwarding find another source to keep a check and balance on it. Crossfire from another agency she is on, do a three way phone conversation and get her phone number and later phone her and get her physical address. The ladies know what is going on and if they are serious they will want to communicate directly with you.
The Ukraine based internet marriage agencies such as Cindy Agency, ualadies.com etc. can not be trusted at all...all corrupt like the country itself!
Use direct lady contact, verify address and phone number of lady using a third party outside of the agencies and not affiliated with them.
Bypass the lying agency interpreters.
I can prove that these girls are not writing the letters. I met girls at the AFA tours and Social that I know very well. Cindy Agency has been still sending me letters from these girls. These girls were not aware that I got these letters from Cindy Agency.
I notified 30 girls from Cindy Agency I was coming. Half said they wanted to meet.
I hired a Cindy Interpretor and called all 30 girls. All said they were out of town except three. These three said they did not want to leave Ukraine.
I have a very nice physical appearance and I am a courteous professional. My two friends were also a good catch for any woman. After a week of trying to meet these Cindy girls, the three of us only met three girls each and only one agreed to come to the USA for marriage. The others said they like the Ukraine and did not want to move.
I can prove that these girls are not writing the letters. I met girls at the AFA tours and Social that I know very well. Cindy Agency has been still sending me letters from these girls. These girls were not aware that I got these letters from Cindy Agency.
I notified 30 girls from Cindy Agency I was coming. Half said they wanted to meet.
I hired a Cindy Interpretor and called all 30 girls. All said they were out of town except three. These three said they did not want to leave Ukraine.
I have a very nice physical appearance and I am a courteous professional. My two friends were also a good catch for any woman. After a week of trying to meet these Cindy girls, the three of us only met three girls each and only one agreed to come to the USA for marriage. The others said they like the Ukraine and did not want to move.
Andrew I am a bit curious about your post. Of course I think everyone knows that you should have contact information on the ladies you write to and be communicating with them by other methods especially if you are dealing with a pay per letter agency. The pay per letter is a quick communication but you should verify the accuracy through hard mail, email account, phone or another means.
Many of the good ladies do not like the tour socials so they may have preferred not to attend.
I assume with the three of your James Bond like characteristics you have ladies fighting for dates with you at home and it is surprising that they did not do this in Ukraine.
What I am curious about is how did you approach the 9 ladies to ask if they wanted to leave Ukraine. Did you each propose to 3 them or just ask them if they would consider this if they fell in love. How does one go about this.
I have never done a social or a tour and probably will not but I am curious what how you handled it and what you thought of it.
Andrew,
Well my previous experience of Cindy Agency was that letters would be transmitted at 9 o'clock in the morning from the DP office despite some of the ladies being, supposedly, located in Zaporozhye or Krivoy Rog.
I cannot recall precisely but I think I profiled for ladies 30+ yet some of these letters were from teenage babes, because I didn't respond to these letter, at $5 a shot of course, Cindy eventually wrote to me to the effect 'take your pick, write to any lady you like, she's yours for the taking'.
Now I'm affiliated, by friendship, with an agency just down the road in Zaporozhye, that agency knows that Cindy is corrupt, and when offered to take my pick of the ladies, I was already married by that time, I offered to the other agency that I select all the 'hot' youngsters just to expose them as fraud. The other agency rose above my offer thus I never bothered to do it but it would have proved interesting!
Badpenny,
There aren't even any $200 a night hotels I could recommend in Zaporozhye, one thing the city needs is a decent hotel.
The nearest you'll get to a decent hotel is the Intourist, can access it via www.besteastern.com , there are other hotels such as Hotel Ukraine but I have heard that you don't necessarily get allocated the room type that you booked.
Chris from Sevastopol, who frequents this forum, has some Zaporozhye apartments on his website, I can't speak for their quality but have a look at www.travel2sevastopol.com
having used cindyagency i can confirm that their ability to produce letters and send them to men is on the same level as army of brides so they are to be avoided.The fat woman in the office in Dnepropetrovsk is a liar and believes her own lies.When she tells you Natalia, yulia, who ever can not meet you because of her work schedule, you can guarantee it is a lie.
I agree that the letter forwarding leaves something to be desired and the target age of the women is removed from their profile when the photo is posted if it is too low. But I do not think that lady is fat. It would take three of her to make a fat woman. I like people and I will have to say that I did not meet anyone in that office that I did not like.
The positive side there is that the women I met looked just like their photos on their profiles and they were genuine. I never tried to meet any of the front page girls. The excuses for not showing up is going to be common all over the FSU. Very few of these women will say to you or tell the agency they are not showing up because they do not like you. They are creative with their excuses to try not to hurt you. You just as well get street wise now because you will need to know the difference of good and bad all over the FSU.
9davo that is standard agency procedure the excuse they give out about her "not answering her phone" or "out of town" it is not just cindagency, though they are not yet in the same bad leaugue as ua lady.com or anastasia.
I have a very bad experience. I asked a lady to marry me, and she said yes. Agfter that everything went wrong. I was treated as if I were her property. Ordered to do this and that. Nothing coming from her. I have many eatern european friends, and even had russian girlfriemds, bjut the russian gitl from the ukraine was very different
The folks from cindy must see this forum some. I mentioned on the thread http://forum.fiance.com/forum2.asp?Main=ShowTopic&forumid=1&topicid=3596 Send: 04.12.2007 17:25:34 that they changed the age of the man the woman is looking for when they added the photo to her profile. I noticed this morning they added 12 profiles with ladies from 20 to 35 years old and not one of them is searching for any particular age of man. So the profile says: Age (). Now they will not have to change them later to no preference.
It is possible that none of these ladies have an age preference but after watching the agency change the age preferences for so long I highly doubt it.
So now to use that agency you correspond with an interpreter and even if you are able to get a message through to the lady you do not know if she would even accept your age. I believe the lies just got too deep to consider that agency again.
Hello Ladies at the cindy agency. I appreciate that you reinstated the target ages the ladies are searching for. I would like to see those ages stay after the photo is posted but if they disappear at least I have a chance to store them so I do not write to a lady that I am totally out of her age range. Thank you.