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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > IMBRA of 2005 Author Post harantis Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2007 1:05:57 AM   I'm guessing there must be some postings about IMBRA, but with the lack of a search feature, they're certainly hard to find. My reading of IMBRA, and some of the discussion I've read by lawyers, both seem to suggest that the advance background notification requirements of IMBRA would apply to Fiance.com. How is this being handled ? It seems this could be particularly problematic in the visa process if one ever arrives at that stage. Nadya Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2007 3:47:09 AM   Harantis, If a couple exhanges their personal contact information through our services and then they decide to proceed further, i.e. for the lady to apply for her visa, we will help and pass on the necessary papers to her which she will have to include in her application package. Please contact admin@fiance.com for details. Sincerely, nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2007 6:58:48 AM   Nadya Break this down for us. As I am curious about this stupid bill and watching it to see where the money trail goes. One you are not actually the broker, so why would we have submit any documentation or paperwork through you anyway? That is the agency/brokers/fiance responsibility. You have an agency agreement set up with the agency. I.E. we pay you a certain dollar amount for you translation of letters for the clients we have prospected for you. The loophole as I've seen is freepersonal websites. How can they require, or even follow the history of a background check since no agency has been used. I think this may also work with women here that have private email. This is a silly knee jerk bill because some fat bastard named Indle King killed or had his wife killed. Perfect example of the male scammer, his whole life was a fraud to this woman. One incident, decries this? All this provides is an invasion of privacy in the US. I'm waiting for you all to have a license to operate via internet with the US government. Then your services will be taxed someway. It's all about money and finding new sources for tax revenue. If it is such an issue, Domestic violence, why don't they require a check here in the states for marriages? Hell I don't even have to look it up but I'm damned sure that there is more domestic violence between us couples then it is between US/FSU couples as an average. The problem is, you can write your congressman, but since there isn't that many of us that are doing this, it won't register on their radar. There are too many bobbing heads that watch A&E and saw the program about Indle King, that thinks this is a good idea. When it's really a farce on the face of the domestic violence bill and provides Uncle Scam another way to dip into the taxpayers pockets. When they tax you I.E. Fiance.com, your prices will increase to cover this expense. I'll bet in a couple of years, all agencies that operate here or advertise here will be required to post some kind of fee to operate via the internet in the US for marriage brokering. What a joke! harantis Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2007 7:59:47 AM   Nadya, According to my reading of IMBRA, is that if you meet through an IMB (as broadly defined in that law to include a foreign-based IMB), the IMB must provided the lady with all the background client information on the U.S. client and secured her signed written release before the couple communicates. If not, then the Officer presumably, as part of his wide discretion to issue the visa or not, could choose to deny issuance of the visa. Isn't email communication for purposes of IMBRA ? Olga Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2007 10:21:54 AM   I do not consider fiance.com to be a marriage broker. Nobody sells anybody's personal info here or arrange marriages. Accoridng that law, I would say that, any MAIL service is the marriage broker. I guess hotmail, gmail, myspace, and others must provide bacgound check too:) I agree with Nasfan6: All this provides is an invasion of privacy in the US. danny3777 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2007 10:26:20 AM   What is defined as personal information Olga? I would say that age, weight, height, date of birth, kids, inside leg measurement etc. to all be personal information. Deano Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2007 2:52:39 PM   I think she meant to say personal CONTACT information Martin. I've been wanting to post a tread about the IMBRA too and will write on this one soon but no time today. Harantis the search engine is right in the upper right corner of this page. Type IMBRA and you will get many choices to read. harantis Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/8/2007 6:03:54 PM   With due respect to those who view IMBRA as an invasion of one's privacy in the US, that may or may not be so. However, the matter of privacy within the context of this discussion is not relevent. Compliance with IMBRA is. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/9/2007 7:06:52 AM   Harantis You've tried to interpret what lawyers are saying. First, define what a marriage broker is? Fiance.com doesn't fall under that category, at least not under IMBRA's interpretation. They don't boker marriages, they derive their incomes from advertisement. Will match.com and other US based dating sites fall under IMBRA? No, but they still advertise women on their international sites. Fiance.com doesn't arrage meetings, they arrange correspondence. Just like other sites. Now if you deal directly with a marriage broker and they define it in IMBRA, that's another story. Everyone got their panties in a knot over IMBRA, just typical legislation to say, hey we are doing something, look at us. We are on top of this because of the Indle King incident. Just another load of crap from the guys in Washington. Hell we can't decide on how we will inforce our own borders to you think IMBRA is going to be some paramount legislation? Deano Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/9/2007 3:46:35 PM   As most of us already know the IMBRA only applies to us Americans. What the new law has done is make a difficult process (Finding and marrying a foreign bride) even more difficult. Unfortunately how much more difficult is yet to be realized. The law was made active in March of 2006. Now what happens next is largely unknown. It seems that the big question is (How does this effect the fiancé visa process?). That’s the big unknown here. To my knowledge so far I have not seen a post nor heard of anyone going through the visa process since this new law was enacted. The grey area is huge! There are a lot of “What if?” questions. For example: What if I met my fiancé at a disco while I was in Ukraine or Russia? If she doesn’t belong to any marriage agency then I think I will be ok but if she does then how do I prove to the Consular agent that we met by chance thus not needing to give her my personal background information. What if we did meet a free site such as Match.com or Yahoo? And why is it required to give the lady our personal background information before we meet or exchange contact information? Would she be in danger from us while in her own country? It would seem to me her local men would be just as dangerous. I’m all for the personal background check to be provided during the fiancé process but until it reaches that step I don’t understand this requirement. It seems to me that the IMBRA will only create a gold mine for the consular agents. Get your bribe money ready gentleman! Deano Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/9/2007 3:47:12 PM   There is another interesting development that I have notice recently. In the beginning before this new law was passed the major marriage agencies were up in arms against it. They even invested some money to fight it. Now that it has passed they have found a clever way of taking a negative and turning it into a positive for them. AFA and Angelika Network will no longer sell you their ladies postal address. Angelika post on their website that if you are an American due to the IMBRA you can’t purchase the ladies postal address and suggest us to use the “Email me now” option which is their pay per letter service. AFA seems to have made their change World Wide. On their website they say due to IMBRA they are no longer selling the ladies postal address. They have created a new virtual email system. So when you purchase the ladies contact information if she has private email then you send your introduction email through their virtual email system. They forward it through their system (No extra charge) to her private email along with the background form you must fill out. After that you are free to communicate as you please. The key word is “If”. This is available only if she has private email. My personal experience with AFA is that about 5% of their ladies have personal email when I have bought the contact information. If the lady does not have private email then they offer you to use their email forwarding and translation service which again is the pay per letter service. We all know what a scam pay per letter service is regardless of the marriage agency. So, now I’m guessing AFA and Angelika are loving this new law. It has given them an opportunity to corral us into the pay per letter service which is the new Gold mine for all marriage agencies. harantis Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/10/2007 2:26:45 AM   Deano, Indeed, it is a perplexing problem. And I agree with your observation that IMBRA puts the "cart in front of the horse." It also struck me as odd that IMBRA does little for me, if anything. Honestly, I think it really makes my life for difficult as you rightfully point out. It sort of made me wonder who the US Congress works for, Americans or foreigners. While IMBRA does many thing, all the disclosure requird by IMBRA seems to revolved around disclosure of criminal background information, incidence of divorce and domestic violence. Hypothetially, if there is nothing to disclose, is disclosure of "nothing-ness" required under IMBRA ? ... giggle .... nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/10/2007 9:12:34 AM   LOL! Deano where this adversity lies opportunity!! Though that also will drive many directly to sites like fiance.com who don't require their customers to pay per letter. Like I said before, IMBRA will fall on the ash heap of stupid legislation. It was just a bunch of do gooders capitalizing on a sad situation and trying to show the American people that they are doing something. Kind of like a couple of years ago some Australian writing Putin and bitching about a couple who scammed him. They were sought out and arrested. Wow old Vladimir would have to bring some of his Old KGB buddies out of retirement if he was really serious about cleaning up the marriage agency scams. IMBRA may or may not be enforced at the Consulate level. All this will do is create an avenue for money. The reason no one's really heard anything about this in a year is because it's not really enforced. Hell If you read Dr. Koops and Amir and Sergey and AJ's posts the consulate doesn't need this anyway to deny your Visa. There all lying racist pigs who don't need a reason to deny your visa if you are other than white. They're a bunch of Jews secretly operating behind the scenes at the embassy level. It's like the litany of stupid gun laws in America. There are over a thousand gun laws in the states. Most of the legislation is driven from something happening in some congressmans constituency. The law is made everyone slaps each other on the back see we are doing the peoples work. Then there is no enforcement. I'm all for enforcment of a gun law! one, you committ a crime with a gun, you get life in prison, if you kill someone during a commision of a crime you get death, end of story. Legislation without enforcement from the bench is worthless, just like IMBRA is. If you read who started this legislation it was a congressman who lived in the state of Washington, where Lard Ass Indle King lived. Another piece of crap lookey here legislation. Talk about hot air. I mean really, domestic violence is a felony. If I remember correctly felons can't get or have to surrender their passports, so what's the point? I took the time to Write my congressman at the time and Dick Lugar and Evan Bayh saying this was idiotic legislation and a waste of time. It was also a waste of my time. I think what happens here is some people think the interview process from the consulate is like an old 1950's police movie, where they take you in the room with a single hot lamp and interrogate you. It's not that difficult and IMBRA will do nothing to make the process any more difficult. Tristan Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/26/2007 3:22:31 PM   Greetings, I stumbled upon this web page and I have enjoyed reading this discussion. In fact, I enjoy it so much I administer a site devoted to this law and the kneejerk feminism that inspired it. We are at www.onlinedatingrights.com Regarding enforcement of the law, I have had FOIA requests into DOJ, DOS and DHS since November 2006 to get copies of all documents relating to IMBRA, which should be mountains of docs. Despite having received my requests and despite the federal law that requires administrative agencies to respond to FOIA requests in 20 business days, I have had no response and thus I cannot evaluate their enforcement plans. BTW, I was more successful obtaining all of Tahirih's grant requests last year from the DOJ Office of Violence Against Women. They soak the government for millions in order to wage their campaign of hate against American men. Mikhail Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/19/2009 12:10:35 AM   The problem with the IMBRA is that agencies are trying to apply it to non-American nationals trying to find a European Bride. This I am sure is in breach of European human rights and their civil liberties. Personal data by definition is personal, not owned by the USA govt, and therefore they have no control over it. Yes this is a later response but it affects my human rights and civil liberties... how arrogant of the USA to pass a law thinking that there is only America in this world seeking foreign brides! baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/21/2009 10:35:11 AM   "The problem with the IMBRA is that agencies are trying to apply it to non-American nationals trying to find a European Bride." So you admit it is not the US that is trying to apply this US law on non-US people but the foreign agencies "implementing" this on their own. "how arrogant of the USA to pass a law thinking that there is only America in this world seeking foreign brides!" Actually how arrogant of you to fault a US regulation ONLY designed for US citizens when actually it's the foreign agencies at fault for trying to impose this on you. durak Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/21/2009 12:56:21 PM   I agree with baron... it is the agencies that are at fault here. I can only guess as to why agencies do this. Perhaps they feel it is easier for them, than having two procedures, one for US citizens, and another for non-US. Mikhail, have you complained to agencies who do this practice? Or even better, find an agencies that DON'T do this, and encourage them to advertise that they don't hassle men from Europe with IMBRA rules? This would put pressure on the other agencies. If you read this forum, you can see that a lot of men here prefer not to use agencies, or use them only to make initial contact, not as actual "marriage brokers." There are lots of non-agency dating sites that are completely IMBRA-free! TINTIN Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/21/2009 6:16:16 PM   Great idea stop the bloody American wife beaters,Over weight big mouth burgers.Seen them all in kiev feeding their faces on over portions of food.Then when the agencies have screwed them for almost all of their vacation money they go to river palace for a whore. Then they expect a nice European woman to date them for 2 weeks then marry them.Travel to a country with a Muslim president. Stupid men Stupid country with history of only destruction and no culture. baron555 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/22/2009 7:44:40 AM   Tinnie, nice first impression mate. And your country doesn't have a Muslim problem?!!! Batman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 12/22/2009 9:38:07 AM   TINTIN wrote: Great idea stop the bloody American wife beaters,Over weight big mouth burgers.Seen them all in kiev feeding their faces on over portions of food.Then when the agencies have screwed them for almost all of their vacation money they go to river palace for a whore. Then they expect a nice European woman to date them for 2 weeks then marry them.Travel to a country with a Muslim president. Stupid men Stupid country with history of only destruction and no culture. 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