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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Get Smart and Get Lucky Author Post I/O Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/11/2007 5:20:05 AM   Have you ever noticed how the smart people often get lucky? I/O Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/11/2007 5:20:25 AM   t the outset and before this thread degenerates into a "Pissing Competition" as do many threads on these forums, I'd like to put on the record that my mark is 8' flat on a calm day at 90o temperature. So, now we have a base point to work from I also want to add that like any man married to, engaged to or dating an FSU lady, I know almost nothing about women, I've simply been married to one for ten years. However, I'll lay out a few ideas that I consider are important for men to consider when they follow this pursuit. The first and most common mistake men make, is stumbling onto some MOB website and seeing all the fancy photos. The next thing they do is upload their profile along with their testosterone levels. STOP RIGHT NOW. Spend the next 2 weeks doing your homework. You'll have to do it sooner or later, so why not now and save a few dollars in the process. There is a host of forums and information boards, so there is little excuse now for the "I didn't know" cries after some Fat Yuri has bitten your head off and handed your wallet back to you on a plate. GET INFORMATION. One of the most common reasons men fail to get information is that they are almost ashamed of being considered a loser because they choose to find a foreign wife. They need to get clear in their heads from day one, if or not they have the confidence to tell their friends about their idea and also to tell their friends to go %%%% themselves if they are condemed. Usually they bunker down and don't tell anyone, hoping to bring some hottie home and do the "Look what I got before you criticise" thing. By doing this they imediately put themselves "One Out" in this pursuit and that is a very dangerous place to start. If your friends are not "Friend enough" to accept your decision, "Kick 'em to the curb". Finding a life partner abroad and in the FSU particularly is not something to resort to, it is something to aspire to. Now I have stroked the "Collective Egos" of any Eastern girl who reads this, let me explain. Many of the Russian (I'll use Russian here as a collective term for FSU ladies, no offence meant please) women are very well educated, have great pride in their personal appearance and are extremely proud of family ties and family longevity (Husband included). In many westernised countries, these things have taken a second place in leu of career and other material matters. Family connections and such are much more difficult to maintain in a modern world than are career and financial aspirations. Thus I say that finding a partner of this ethos is a big "Step Up" and never a step down. FSU WOMEN ARE A STEP UP. Understand the FSU. The FSU is a vast area made up of several countries with the predominant being the Russian Federation. It should be understood by the freshman that the cultures and economics vary from place to place as do the languages in some areas. Generally many speak Rusian or a form of Russian, but don't take that as given for all FSU countries. BUY A GOOD ATLAS right now. Read and learn which places are where. This will save you huge time and money when planning trips and meetings. If possible, find someone who is married to an FSU lady and talk with them. Most will be only too happy to share their knowledge. Never underestimate the value of time and information in this pursuit. Ok, you've now gotten a few things in place and come back to this or another site to upload your profile, which you intelligently resisted the temptation to do on day one. Yeah Right...!!! KISS principal applies. That is, Keep It Simple Stupid. Many Russian women can read some English, but it is difficult to maintain your understanding and concentration when it is not your "Mother Language". Keep it short and to the point. Accurate, up to date photos are a must. Find a marriage agent on the ground in the East and talk with them by phone. Buy some advice or opinion from them. You don't need to use them later, but you can if you want. (I'll go into plans later.) Put together a short letter of introduction. I strongly dissagree with those who say you must write an extensive letter. By the 7th paragraph it has become bla bla bla. SHORT AND THICK DOES THE TRICK. 10 sentences is enough. It will take you time to edit something down to that, but it will be worth your time. Don't be too dry, but avoid being too romanitc. "I think you are so beautiful from your photos" won't cut it with the sincere Russian woman. Russian women know they are ATTRACTIVE, but generally they consider "Beautiful" is seen in magazines not on introduction websites so to say. Read her profile and adjust your letter to suit. Personalise it just a touch. Write 10 women. NO MORE. Wait a few days. If that doesn't produce the desired result, kick 'em to the curb and write 10 more. How you handle your communications henceforth is entirely your choice. But you should be starting to think seriously about a trip and this is just where the hard work and hard choices start. How do I choose which women I will meet and where I will visit and how much will it cost etc etc. Now do you see why I said BUY AN ATLAS AND READ IT. If you had done this right from the start, it would have helped you choose who to write to in the first instance, because there is no point in writing one lady from Vladivostok and one from Kishinev, because it just is not practical to visit them both and now you need to choose. TARGET AN AREA. Now I have run against those who preach, "But how do I know where my love will live". True, but you have to start somewhere. If you live in a city or 50 000 people or whatever, think how many times you multiply your choices when you target one city of a million people. 20 times..!! You can't date the avialable women in your city in 2 weeks, so you certainly wont reach the limit in a city 20 times greater in the I/O Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/11/2007 5:23:26 AM   Seems this editor only accepts so many characters in one post. Sorry guys........continued........... ................... 2 or 3 weeks you will have on the first trip. DON'T SPREAD YOUR SEARCH TOO THIN. Finance, Personal readiness, introspection, children and a host of other matters should be seriously examined before any of this is done, but I have been around these boards for long enough to understand that most don't do that until perhaps too late. Thus for this post I have confined some thoughts to a broadly practical. If there is sufficent interest, it might be worth exploring some of these other matters post by post. For those who choose another target area outside the FSU, they will find that the very same principals apply. The only material differences may be language and economics. Good hunting. I/O Annika77 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/11/2007 7:56:08 AM   Again such country or state as FSU dont exist officially! Once was country Russian Empire, once was country Soviet Union as once was British Empire and once was Hungaro-Austrian Empire. You dont use for Austria former Hungaro-Austrian Empire state Austria. Or for Finland former Russian Empire country Finland. Or for USA former British colony USA. Or for Ireland former Former British colony Ireland. What language is "form of russian" in your opinion????? How many people here look for non-russians? Is here somebody whos girlfriend NATIVE language isnt russian? Very fiew I think! Even in so called western countries some women prefer career, some family, some appearance! In my boyfriends family in UK all married women are housewives and they never had proper modern work. Where are these career oriented women I always ask from my boyfriend? I havent got smart answer for him yet! izifaddag Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/11/2007 9:04:37 AM   Yawn Charlie Farley Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/11/2007 9:33:01 AM   yawn. O.K children. Questions on this subject will be asked later I/O Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/11/2007 11:15:35 AM   Annika77: FSU for your petty little information is a generic term in exactly the same way as the term America is used. Which part of America? Canada, USA, Central America? South America? Former Soviet Union is an accurate description of the general area like it or not. Form of Russian language. Ukrainian for an example is similar but not exact. Call it a slavic language if you like to get technical, but most intelligent and well travelled people understand the point. All UK married women are housewives and don't have a career. Not worth commenting. Too ridiculous. Native languages first but where Russian is spoken: Try Moldova and a few others, all former soviet states. How many people look for Non Russians: Don't know, don't care. Irrelevant. I don't know what your point is other than to make a fool of yourself. Being one of the locals in question, I thought you might like to offer something useful. As for the bordom freaks, go right ahead and argue you cases. It is no skin off my nose, I've been there and successfully done what many of you are trying to do. As have a few other people who post from time to time. There is no personal cudos to be gained by me or any other person from presenting a little basic information which MIGHT be of use to freshman. There is just a few of us around several boards who happen to have a little time and a passion for this and are prepared to share a little. What you want or don't want to gain is up to you. I/O DavidUSA Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/11/2007 11:30:57 AM   I/O Are you currently married to a woman from the former FSU? Or are you here sharing your experiences and insight, while, at the same time, continuing your search for a woman? Thanks. I/O Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/11/2007 11:42:20 AM   DavidUSA Forgive me if I forget, but I think I mentioned something about being married for ten years I don't search. Why would I? I am very happy with who I have thankyou kindly. If you are referring to a profile on dating sites, you'll find my other half has one on them also. LOL We do conduct a little research for another totally unrelated project. I/O DavidUSA Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/11/2007 11:47:37 AM   I/O Ok, I'm digesting your reply. You've been married for ten years. But with that statement, I still don't know if you are married to woman from the FSU or not. Your other half (wife?) has a profile on a dating site? I'm confused here. I/O Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/11/2007 11:57:19 AM   DavidUSA TFF yeah ok I get your point. LOL the answer to your questions group are yes. We both have profiles on several dating sites as part of a research project which is quite unrelated. We are assisting another with some groundwork for a semi-doc he is puting together which he hoped might despell some of the myths surrounding all of this, but somehow from this group here, I doubt he'll succeed. If those involved up to their teeth in this havn't a clue, which many havn't, then I cant see him influencing other opinions too much. Hope springs eternal. :-) Hope that clears your confusion. Gotta go to bed. I sorta predicted this would become some off beat pissing comp. Does make me laugh. I/O harantis Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/11/2007 5:42:18 PM   I/O .... Thanks for some really good advice (I think). Some of what you wrote had occurred to me, much had not. I'm thankful. Since you clearly have far more experience in this arena than have I, if not for everyone's benefit, but for mine, I'd appreciate it if you'd write at greater length and in greater detail about the topic. Harantis harantis Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/11/2007 5:45:57 PM   Oh, and by the way, the by-line for the thread caught my eye, largely because I believe it's true. There's a somewhat famous American football coach who been noted for his occassional quips. His name is Bill Parcels, former coach of Air Force, the New York Giants, New York Jets, Dallas Cowboys and New England Patriots. He was once quoted as saying, "Good luck comes to people who work for it." I/O Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/11/2007 9:03:27 PM   It might have been Henry Ford who remarked the "Luck comes when people ready themselves for opportunity" or words to that effect. I will never profess to be the font of all knowledge on this subject. Who is? However, I have seen time and again mistakes some people make and if something one can gain from an internet post can help them to avoid a hearbreak or financial folly then that is just great in my view. Return to Topic: Finance: So many comment and ask about ths costs of the pursuit and frankly there is no simple answer, but be prepared because there is expenses you'll never imagine. This is not a pursuit for a poor man, but you don't need to be rich either. If you can manage your money and plan well, expenses can be reduced and controlled. Your best friend when saving money is time. Don't worry too much if the "Special" air ticket price will pass before you can arrange your vacation. Specials are like trains, if you miss one, there will be another along soon enough. Language: You can save yourself a fortune if you have some language. No you won't be able to speak fluently in a short time, but programs such as Pimsleur and others are quite sufficient to learn some "Rudimentry" Russian. It will help greatly in simple things like buying a less expensive meal or train ride or whatever. You will find the side benifit is that you are much more likely to assimilate and thus will probably engage the help and friendship of the locals in some instances. You will probably find your mate a lot sooner also. All of this can greatly limit your outflow of cash. Look for apartment acommodation rather than fancy hotels. Hotels have their uses, but you are locked into hotel prices for everything. Even without language you can find your way around a nearby supermarket and buy some bread and cheese. Enough to cut out one cafe' price meal each day. It adds up pretty darn quick. If you plan to be in a country for 2 or 3 weeks, buy a local SIM card and number for your phone. It is usually much cheaper and your lovely will be happy to call you. She might not be so keen on dialing an international number. (Yes I know there is hundreds of internaional roaming options) Consider taking the over night train to Someburg, rather than flying. The ticket is much cheaper and you save a night's rent on your apartment or hotel room. Just a simple suggestion. Think about the number of trips you might like to make. Frankly I think that most should think in terms of 4-8 trips given that they find their mate reasonably early. You just HAVE to get as much face time as possible before that ultimate decision which BTW should come long before filing for a K-1 or similar. A K-1 visa is not designed to be a "Trial Marriage" visa. This needs to be discussed seperately. My suggestion is to try to plan and prepare to be as self sufficient as possible. Agents have uses and I don't condem, but they do cost money. Use them thoughtfully. Consider matters such as visits, visas, language learning for both of you, return trips, education costs if children are involved, clothes for her when she arrives, (Two suit cases ain't enough for most women) you'll need to take time off work to help her settle in and so it goes. There is many ongoing costs and don't underestimate any of them. I have mentioned just a few and you can add your own to your budget, but please sit down rationally away from the pretty photos on the PC and assess your financial position, rearrange if necessary and work out some kind of a viable plan. Much of your cost research you can do online, so the research only costs time. Again, time is your best and most loyal friend. Please don't try to implant everything said in these posts to your own situation, that is not the point. The point is to get you thinking about matters which will need to be addressed sooner or later. Smart people think. Funny how often they get lucky also. FWIW, I have learned that most Russian women are far more impressed by a man who can manage his finances well rather than a big noter who throws vast somes of money around. This applies to the future life also. Yes a few will want the fancy lifestyle, but not many. Russian women know how to count their coins and most are looking for a husband who does likewise. Don't be a cheapskate, simply be prudent. Know when to hold and when to fold. I/O Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Get Smart and Get Lucky
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