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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > New kind of scam? Author Post Navarreman1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/15/2007 9:18:21 AM   Here is a new scam (at least it was new to me). It involves a profile of a girl on rbrides.com. Her profile # is 115201 "Evgeniya". Total scam. Does not live in Irkutsk. Uses computer near Red Square and collects money from Constans Bank in St. Petersburg. Used 3rd party scam to have some jerk like me open an account. Girls "Uncle" then transfers money into it from hacked bank website or account. Then jerk withdraws money and sends it Western Union to girl. Sounds good because there is little perceived risk to jerk but it does catch up to you. Bank now wants me to pay the $2115.00 that was scammed. "Jenya" had me send money payable to Svetlana Sedunova. Those are the only names I have associated with this scam. I did find out from Western Union that the money was collected at a Constans Bank in St Petersburg and from www.ip-adress.com (this is the correct spelling)I found that the e-mails were not coming from Irkutsk but 1 block from Red Square. I cannot stress enough the following information to other hopeful guys out there. If it sounds too good to be true then it probably is. I cannot recommend the IP address look-up enough. I searched all of the e-mails I have received from women and I was shocked to see so many frauds. The majority coming from YO or India. I thought I was safe because the risk was not with my money. If there was some scam happening, it would not effect me because my money was safe. As it turns out, this is not the case. I am sure that I am not the 1st one to be affected by this scam and I most likely won't be the last. But keep your eyes and ears open and use your brain not your dick to think with. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/15/2007 1:59:00 PM   Let me get this straight - as I am not quite sure I understand what you wrote. You opened an account with Constans Bank in St. Petersburg, in your name. With a line of credit - it sounds like (?) Then the supposed Uncle was supposedly, was transeferring money into it that he got from a "hacked bank website or account" (...say what?). And then, somehow, acting as your agent - he sent money via Western Union to your girl? And now you have discovered that there WAS no money coming in from any source but that the Uncle was sending money from your line of credit to the girl (cia Western Union). And now the bank wants you to pay up on what it views as a loan? Did I explain it accurately? Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/15/2007 2:56:37 PM   Jet, it actually is a bit different I think. The principle is common enough, and here vehicles are 'purchased' in much the same manner. He opened a bank account, someone made a (fake) deposit which shows as drawable, he draws against it and Western Unioned this amount to her. The the deposit doen't wash and the registered person of the account (ie him!) is liable for the shortage. The above scheme only works when no time is left between showing of the funds and clearing of the deposit, roughly a week or less. Here, when someone pays in this way (deposit or trnasfer), one must wait to clear this deposit, this irrespective of the fact that the money immediately shows as 'real' and can be drawn against. Or wait or instruct your bank to clear this deposit asap, but you wait for confirmation of your bank that is has cleared OK before discarding of the sold item. Simple enough really. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/15/2007 6:53:50 PM   I get it now. Had he mentioned a specific amount of deposit or a cashier's check - would have been clearer. This supposed deposit made by the Uncle was illegitimate and the money was withdrawn by Western union before that was discovered. That is similar to the old fashioned Nigerian Scam where a legitimate looking Cashier's Check is deposited by anususpecting person and a personal check is written. I/O Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/15/2007 11:30:33 PM   Jerk: Opens bank account (Any Bank) Scammer: Transfers moeny into account (Either actual money hacked from another account or phantom money) Jerk: Withdraws money and then transfers via W/U to scammer. Jerk: Recieves commision (Usually) Jerk: Is asked to repay money if it is phantom money: Jerk: Is asked to repay money if it is hacked money because original bank is on the trail of the money. Jerk: Gets phuct over either way. WHY?????? ANSWER: Jerk is usually trying to get something for nothing..!! Either cash commission or cudos. Age old story, it takes two people trying to BOTH get something for nothing to make a scam work. Charles Sobrash got it perfect...!! Very difficult to scam an honest man....:-) I/O jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/16/2007 3:42:29 AM   "There's a sucker born every minute, and two to take em." Attributed to P.T. Barnum. (But most likely actually said by Joseph Bessemer.) jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/16/2007 4:33:36 AM   I/O: Not being familiar with the particular quote you mention OR "Charles Sobrash", I did a Google on the name. I wanted to learn more anout the guy. But Google only returns a few various quotes of him that you have made both in this forum and other Russian women forums. Are you actually refering to "Charles Sobhraj", the con man and serial killer now held in a jail in Nepal? Because I can't kind any reference to him saying it either. Who is Charles Sobrash? I/O Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/16/2007 4:48:13 AM   jetmba: Yep..!! That's the guy. Sorry for the spelling, I simply couldn't remember. I saw the speech he made from inside a Thai prison on TV 20 years back which included that comment, or words to pretty close effect. A horrible creature, but one who knew people very well. Another of his comments from prison was that he had escaped almost every custody thus far and he would do it again, only this time he would do it legally. Time will show. BTW there is another I/O out there now posting also. (Pisses me off a bit, but it is a free world I guess) Don't be confused:-) However, yes I have commented about this character in other places. I/O Navarreman1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/16/2007 7:05:37 AM   I highly resent the implication that I am not an honest man. I knew what I wanted and yes it seemed too good to be true. But my actions and involvement in this scam were only honorable. It sounded like I was doing the right thing by helping her get money from another member of her family. Though the story did sound strange, it sounded at least plausible. I was not trying to get something for nothing. I had offered to travel to Russia to meet with her but she said she would save me time and money by having her rich uncle take care of this. You bet flags went up but again I felt I was not risking money here and I just didn't see this one coming. Hence the reference to myself as the "jerk". Believe me, I am not looking for your pity. This is only a warning to those other "jerks" out there who think they've got it under control. Our enemy is smart and quick and they know our weaknesses. The point of this is nothing is as it seems. There is no free lunch, it is not as good as it seems etc... Again I cannot recommend enough (in hindsight) checking the source of the IP address. The funny ending to this story was the reaction when I informed "Jenya" that I was on to her. I had been playing this out for a few days after I found out what had happened, I wanted to watch her try and get more from me. I ended up telling her which bank she picked up the money from and that I was looking at a satellite photo of the building where she was e-mailing me from next to Red Square. There was a delay in the chat log and then poof, "evageniya is now offline". I come out of this a wiser but slightly poorer man. This will not happen twice. It is not the money but the feeling of being played that gets to me. While we are throwing quotes around – “People seldom learn from their own mistakes, I’ll be damned if they’ll learn from mine” Lazarus Long – Time Enough for Love by Robert Heinlein. I/O Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/16/2007 8:52:47 AM   Navarreman1: Love it or hate it, as you said, you thought it was too good to be true and thus you saw an opportunity to get something below it's real value. The real price of this is that YOU GO to visit the lady first. Thats the price, not less. Anything else is trying to take short cuts and the results are sad and frustrating. We have all been jerks in some thing at some time and been caught. The bottom line is that in every case, a scam requires a person trying to get something below its real value, whether this was our original intention or not. BTW the "Jerk" in my post was the generic version, not specific. I/O jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/16/2007 9:30:20 AM   Have have some problem with the concept that a scam generally requires a victim who is trying to get something below its real value. Some scams require nothing of the sort. Examples include these two scams (descriptions from another website) described as being popular in Bolivia, but I've heard of them in Moscow as well. "There are a lot of scams right now being played out on visitors in La Paz. The drop the wallet scam seems to be winning at the moment. This is when someone in front of you purposely drops a billfold, and at that split second his accomplice that is walking along side you, involves you into this situation by saying " hey he dropped this". Then he looks into it and says "wow, that's a lot of money". NOW ONE OF TWO THINGS HAPPENS. Some people carrying their big packs feel obligated to run after the poor person who dropped their wallet. I've know three people who hand their pack over to the "new accomplice friend" and never see their packs again. The second situation is the person comes back for their wallet, says "Thank you" to you and the accomplice for finding the wallet. But when he opens it he claims that there was a hell of a lot of Bolivianos in their before he dropped it. The friend says..well this gringo put some in his pocket. Then the other guy says "let's get the Police" and they try to force you to give into paying up some cash. MY ADVICE if you see this drop the wallet/envelope scam,keep walking and ignore the accomplice." Neither scam requires ANYONE trying to get something at less than its true value. Some scams result from someone trying to be an honorable nice guy! Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/16/2007 12:31:54 PM   So Jet, the moral of the story then is, when strolling in 'dropzones' and the drop happens in front of you, you kick the wallet into Oblivia..... and watch both characters cursing whilst collecting their scattered money ;-)) boredfukka Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/16/2007 2:26:54 PM   how can he take out the depoited money before it has cleared? You cant take money out till its cleared I think. I/O Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/16/2007 3:11:46 PM   I guess this probably becomes semantics after time. The wallet dropping thing and crime of this nature by my calculation is simple "Street Crime". If you wish to difine that type of activity as a "Scam", then yes I would agree there is several exceptions. However that is largely an attmept to divert the attention from the issue at hand. The focus on these forums by and large is monetary gain by distance using false pretenses. Go back and look at the example in this thread. Either deliberately or innocently, the author saw an opportunity to get something below value. He saw the opportunity to have her delivered to his door. There is no getting away from that by clouding the discussion. Let me cite fishing as an example. We bait the hook, the fish sees an opportunity to get an easy meal and becomes the meal. For the scammers, western men are like shooting fish in a barrel. Too simple. What continues to amaze me on these boards is when the reports come forth, the writers continue to talk about "Her and she". When will they learn? The very vast majority of scamming is NOT undertaken by women!!!!!! This is a HUGE misconception regarding the FSU scammers. They just never seem to get that pretty picture out of their head and go through the emotional rollercoaster of grieving for HER who never existed. (In most cases) Take a photo of "Boris Average Russian Guy" and sit that on the desk for a few days. That's who you have been writing to in the vast majority of these cases. My guess is that 10-15%, maybe less, of online scamming in the FSU involves a woman operating for herself. Gaaaaaaaaaaawd I saw one a few weeks ago and when the poor guy spilt his guts and posted the photos of the "Doll", she is a Russian TV game show host for Gods sakes. You can switch to Russian TV via some cable networks and see her every day on TV. BTW she was living out in the boonies with a sick mother and abusive father and a deveit brother and the usual yeah yeah. Get a grip on this guys. Why do you think the scammers are so good at pressing the hot buttons of all the guys? Because they understand exactly how guys think. Why? Because mostly they ARE guys. Just "Vlad Average Looking" Russian guys. I/O harantis Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/16/2007 3:49:09 PM   I don't know who said it, but what they said was very true. "There ain't no such a thing as a free lunch." Remember it. It is absolutely true 100% of the time. It may look free, it may look like a bargain, but there is a price to be paid. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/16/2007 4:01:30 PM   Getting something for less than it's value is creative, not crooked or stupid. But when, especially some of my lazy American countrymen think that it's easier to have the girl come here, or try to scam the consulates with some BS it's utterly ridiculous. One you're going to have to visit her at least once in her country. Two never send money to someone you haven't met, and even when you have met, do it prudent judgement. The only way scams exist is when money interchanges hands. Plain and simple. Keep your bucks in your own pocket, and the right head screwed on your shoulders. Then you can't be scammed. How many times does it have to be repeated DON'T SEND MONEY! DON'T GET INVOLVED WITH THIRD PARTY TRANSACTIONS IN THE FSU! Olga Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/16/2007 8:21:13 PM   DO NOT SEND MONEY ! DO not send money to people you do not know! use WU to send money wordwide!) :)))) Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 2/18/2007 5:19:37 AM   "how can he take out the depoited money before it has cleared? You cant take money out till its cleared I think" Mr Bored Fukka, our telephonic conversation from just now refers. Attached you'll find a scan of the stamped cash deposit slip for the cellular phone you advertised. Unfortunately my partner erroneously added a '1' in from of the amount hence I've now paid 1000.- too much into your account. However, I trust you fully that when we meet to collect the phone this afternoon as per agreed you will be so kind so repay us this amount. Kind regards, Simon Windler You check your account and that money shows indeed, which comes as hardly a surprise to you because that deposit slip mentions 'cash'. So, you draw that 1000 and meet the guys at the agreed location, some highway petrolstation because they are pushed for time a bit. They make a decent impression, thank you politely for the refunded 1000, are happy with the phone and compliment you for proving such an honest man. Some days later the cheque deposited (!) turns out fake/stolen which means you're out of a 1000 & the sold item. Similar story for Bank Guaranteed Cheques (less a differential) because it will prove a forgery of exceptional quality. BF, you seem an honest decent clever man. That yacht you had up for sale, I'm interested. What about we meet at the landing, and if I like it I'll immediately deposit the funds into your account. Oh, I will have to sail off straight away because I actually happen to need to get across the waters into that other country the same day, you know, my business and all that. Keep us informed. Entertained will be more likely though ;-) Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > New kind of scam?
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