Tom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What's going on. How's the trip or how was the trip. email me or I will get in touch with you! You know we officially had the first meeting of the 1% club when we all got together in Naples!
"It appears that Olga the moderator may have purposely lied to all of you in an effort to discredit me"...
why would I lie. HBJ you arenot a center of the universe. I saw posts from diferent USER name at almost the same time from the same IPs. I am very sorry if that LITIGATOR was not you:) you were probably in the same building:)
Don't beat around the bush, tell joe to 'Phuck Off', he won't take the hint so far that this is a forum for MUTUAL discussion, it is not a forum to come to cry and try for sympathy, for such an extended period, from.
I, for one, am fed up listening to his same old cr@p being regurgitated, time after time after time .....
Things went grrrrrrreat. We arrived back at home the other day and she is adjusting just fine. I need to call Greg and to tell them were back. I need to find your email and number, misplaced it while I was away. Boy do I have some stories to tell you about! Talk soon.
Agreed barfly, a private feud has no place on a public forum, perhaps 'Olga The Moderator' may find her way to blocking or deleting all future posts pertaining to this private feud as it has been and is polluting the forum.
mixed feelings on this. would hbj really have such a pole up his arse for no good reason? i tend to feel a little bit sorry for him. i do agree though that his chosen forum is perhaps the wrong one and his ludicrous and implausible threats do affect his credibility a little bit. however a lot of these girls seem to be entirely ruthless which is perhaps a quality i would put fairly low down on my list of priorities for a future wife.
if i'd been conned out of £5k i would probably go to ukraine and take a sledgehammer to her flat. can you not do this hbj?
I don't know about Western Union in USA but certainly in UK, when making a monetary transfer by telephone, we are aked certain security questions such as 'what is the money for?' and 'do you know this person?'.
I KNOW that I would simply not be able to transfer money to 'Oksana in Lugansk', I would have to send it to a first name and family name and not merely 'Oksana the Interpreter'.
And then, if I were to intend to take international legal action, action that is likely to cost 10's of thousands of dollars, then I would need to contact Western Union to request of them to contact their franchise in Ukraine to provide copies of the receipts that the recipient signed when collecting the monetary transfers.
Only then may I have evidence of who actually received these monies, I would hardly be in a position to take action against Oksana A if indeed the monies went to Oksana B, the first thing any legal authority is going to ask to see is evidence, receipts etc, to back up one's claims and then one is going to need to provide evidence regarding if it was agreed in writing, or indeed contracted, what the monies were to be utilised for, something that hasn't even been explained by 'you know who' despite all his rantings.
All in all I think someone around here has 'gone off on one' and, at some stage, shall need to come back down to earth before someone, an authority, brings him back down to earth.
What was supposed purpose of the monetary transfers, did Oksana S misappropriate the monies, had Oksana S declared her undying love for you and indeed were you formally engaged,or married, and had Oksana S signed some declaration to the effect that the two of you would be together forever and any relationship between you would never finish till death do you part?
If, however, the money was a 'gift' then you haven't got a leg to stand on sunshine, in the absense of any written agreement or contract then she was free to do with the money as she wished, she could spend it freely and/or give it to others as she saw fit and as a 'gift' she doesn't even have to pay any Ukrainian tax on it.
So ..... in the absense of a written agreement or contract you've lost out mate, you relinquished ownership and rights of those monies by transferring them, giving them, to Oksana S.
For the information of some posters here. I do not find any joy in HBJ's loss of money. This just perpetuates the scamming. To say scammers read these forums, I'm sure they do. That is why it's damn imperative, that old guys and new guys alike learn from such experiences and how foolish it is to try to circumvent the advice that many here give out regarding the handing out of money.
What the scammers get out reading these forums is there are fools willing to part with their money because they don't want to listen and they are their lawful prey. Though it impossible to convince everyone not to do so, is almost as foolish as thinking you're going to stop scamming entirely. As long as there are guys out there thinking they are smarter than others, or take the attitude this won't happen to me. It's going to continue. You want to stop scamming, don't send money, don't make where you come from and your lifestyle the selling point to capture some young trophy wife. When you base a relationship on what you offer materially and not emotionally you are being morally corrupt yourself. Be yourself and be prudent, offer what you are as a man and as a human being.
You cannot be scammed if your honest and don't send money. In honesty what I am trying to imply, is your honest with yourself and the woman you are trying to intice to be with you. Not using extraordinary means but you personality, your kindness not in monetary means, and your integrity. Trying to seduce a woman with money is surely a lack of moral character and integrity. Especially when many of us who have been there understand the circumstances that they live in compared to our situations.
Relationships based purely on the dollar fails miserably here in the states as well as we can see by the scamming in the FSU. So if I seem harsh it is for a just reason. Don't send money, you've been duly warned and if you send money don't come here crying because you got burned. Anyone here with their salt knows there is scamming. It comes with the territory. Those who really endorse scamming send money then come here and cry how they have been ripped off.
That's why for the longest time I have been against putting womens profiles on this forum. For two reasons. One if she is a scammer, the smart ones already know it through research and listening to others. Second if she isn't it just a way for a guy to ruin a woman. Sour grapes!
HOW MANY TIMES ARE YOU GUYS HAVE TO BE TOLD, DONT SEND MONEY ,DONT GIVE THEM MONEY,THERE IS KNOW NEED TOO,THEY HAVE SURVIVED WITH OUT YOU FOR MANY YEARS,THERE ARE GOLD DIGGERS OUT THIER AND THE ONIST GOOD LADYS ,,COME ON GUYS YOU SHOULD KNOW ITS A SCHOOL PLAY GROUND OUT THERE. THE POOR GUY MADE A MASTAKE ,FORGET IT MATE ,ITS GONE ITS HISTORY AND IS BEHIND YOU .US GUYS SHOULD STICK TOGETHER AND LEARN OFF EACH OTHER. YOU CANT BUY LOVE ,YOU CANT BUY A WOMAN. IF THEY ASK FOR MONEY ,GET SMART AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT LADY , NEVER OFFER MONEY,YOU CAN HELP ON A VISA IF SHE PAYS HALF ,THIS MAKES GOOD SENCE.
Martin im as English as you mate or so you say,,, who knows , olga knows she knows all and is good at her job , who are you the school head marster , i been reading your sh .t for for 2 years and i new that you would have something to say, so what you understood it ,didnt you , i did, i think most peple got the idea ,why you like to put peple down ,does it make you feel better for your own peace of mind , if i saw you in the local pub id knock your fu..king lights out for talking like that and most peple word, so shut it , the king bullsh..t of the forum, i thought it would of been a yank that had a go ,but no it had to come from some one from my country , no wonder every body confused and going around and around in circles because big headed prats like you start every one off in the wrong direction, so what there is a few mistakes, who really cares .. dont give it the big man with me , you wanker , get a life instead of hanging out on hear 24 a day, tell and help a man that ask your advice ,. iv said enough . think before you wright sh..ty things. bye the way im dislexic so shut the fu..k up
I have to jump in here from a legal point. As I have stated, I am a paralegal and have considerable experience in matters concerning civil suits to reclaim lost funds. I will not get into all the legalese of this situation as you have put the scenario to us. I will just point out a couple of things for you to carefully consider:
1) We always ask the question, ďwhy is your dog in this fightĒ What is it you hope to gain or how do you want to benefit from this action? If you plan to recoup your money you will spend far more than you have already given away. If you plan to regain the heart and attention of your lost love, buddy, you are rapidly burning that bridge.
2) If it is retaliation and vengeance you seek, then no amount of common sense will deter you from your goal. Only you will know when you have either achieved what you have set out to accomplish or you get tired of the fight and throw in the towel.
What blows me away is that you are so dead set in going after what appears to be a lost cause. You voluntarily gave money to a woman you have never met. You have no contract, and no agreement that you can prove. When I was taken for $2k, my only recourse was due to the bank fraud perpetrated by the scammer. Bank fraud is a federal offense (in the US) and was easily traceable and the FBI and other international agencies are looking into it but agree that $2k is not really worth the expense of prosecution. I know who did it, I know how they did it. I am out the money. I am smarter for it, and yes, my ego was injured in a major way. But it is time to move on. Donít compound your stupidity by making a federal case out of this. You screwed up just like me and so many others. Welcome to the stupid club.
This would be a difficult CIVIL case if you lived in the same US city. It would be a more difficult CIVIL case if you only lived in the same state. It would be a VERY DIFFICULT case if you both lived in the US. It will be incredibly expensive in both time and money to try and prosecute this as an international CIVIL case, maybe even impossible. I donít have a specific answer for that as I was unable to locate any precedence for a similar case in Lexis/Nexis. There appears to be many complaints filed but I canít find a single case prosecuted in a US court.
You have smeared her name and that of her accomplices. Perhaps this is all the justice you can achieve. Take what dignity and money you have left and go get a new girlfriend or at least get laid. Unless you are a complete and total idiot with lots of money to burn, you really should consider walking away from this one. Life is way to short to let it eat you up and the other fellersí here will never let you live it down.