Guys, guys - wise up. The days of the wonderful women in the former Soviet Union are over. Do you expect this to last forever? I have visited Russia and Ukraine over 72 times and I still go there 4 or 5 times per year. I do have a girlfriend but she does not want to leave Ukraine. what I try to say is this, is the girl is young and very pretty, she knows it and believe me there are many men there going after them so there is no need for the older "western" man anymore. There is a lot more success for whoever is looking to go for a woman in her 30's and with children. The young ones, are very spoiled and in a sense worse than girls in the west. My advise if you really want to meet someone is go to a chat room, make a friend and then visit her and she will take you places where you can meet real women who may sincerely may be interested in you without any pre plan. Believe, and I know this because I have many friends who even work as scammers (they do not consider it bad. It is just a job) or sell their photos to lure people like all of you.
Those countries left the dark ages about 7 years ago. Wise up men, if you are unable to find and pick up a good woman with good looks in your own country, what makes you believe that Russian or Ukrainian women do not have eyes?
I just will add, that our Mass Media do descride "sex touristic" waves into Ukraine.
Girls are not blind and if they see some stupid male creatures in shorts and t-shits....
you understand guys, that "intelligent and beautuful" will immediately see the intelectual and financial level of visitor.
If the level is somehow middle and below middle - just forget about UA Lady.
Irneh
that would be one of the best-good advised and truthful posts by someone on here for a long - long time (-: apart from myself and a couple of other already successful ones :-)))
But - as the saying goes - "you can lead a horse to water - but - you can't make it drink"
Monada,
Now I know at least you have never lived in the US. The largest sector of American income lies in the Middle class. I would almost bet the most of the people who bring women back from the FSU live in this class. Since there is not middle class in Ukraine and that's where the largest sector of people live in Ukraine it's a step up in the majority of their lives.
Second some of the most intellectual people come from the middle class. You absolutely have no clue what you are talking about. Hell you probably couldn't tell what the middle class makes in the states without a google search.
Also because you've got your fictitious sorry butt on Opera surely doesn't mean you life a full life, unless a virtual life is your idea of life. We've seen that kind here before. Again as usual your post brings absolutely nothing to light about life in Ukraine.
Also your stereotypical description of well to do men. You must be reading GQ too much lately. Most well to do men, you will not know that they are. That's what America is about, the right to privacy and keeping your life private. Short and T Shirts make one less than rich or intelligent. Hey how about and old pickup and and two hunting dogs on the inside and an older gent driving a that truck wearing a baseball cap. Now if you can name who I just described I will be impressed.
Since you so economically astute Monada, it's not how much money you make, it's what you do with the money you make.
You make a good point nasfan. I love it when people in the US complain about the "shrinking middle class". In actuallity nearly ALL of us are middle class. There are relatively few really rich and really poor - and they tend to keep to themselves in isolated geographic areas.
Nearly EVERYBODY has cars. We all drive the same roads. Eat at the same type restaurants. Own our own houses. Take similar types of vacations.Someone with a significanly larger income than someone else might have an extra house or an exotic sports car - but not a terribly different style of living.
In Ukraine, you have the RICH and the POOR and very few in the middle. The RICH of Ukraine have all the niceties of life and may even have income higher than many of those here -and they are able to live significantly differently than the POOR in Ukraine who might struggle to even own a car, have very little disposable income and can barely DREAM of owning a flat (if thety don't already own one) let alone buying a house.
As a result of this difference, a typical western guy has an advantage and a disadvantage. Since obviously we aren't poor, the perception of us typically gets bumped up to RICH (since it can't be middle) making us attractive to women as rich guys tend to be in EVERY culture. But we aren't filthy-rich. ANd some women are a little put off by that. They also seem surprised when we bring them over home, as the riches we seemed to have enjoyed in Ukraine - seem much more typical and not so special in our own countries.
One of the richest guys I know drives a 10 year old car and wears shorts and a t-shirt every day. Lives life just like a middle class citizen, yet can finance the economy of Ukraine for a year if he wanted. Theres many people like this in the US, so don't stereotype these guys just by the way they look.
Yeah people in Australia DON'T wear t-shirts and shorts Monada! You're in a for a culture shock. Thats if they give you a visa. But I somehow think your the sort of person they don't want to let in.
I say you... there was a married couple - man from AU and women from Ukraine.... they were married in UA.
Well.... Embassy didn't give her visa for 8 months.
Lady was depressed... and finally man saw that he is loosing his wife..... he came and made scandal in Embassy... then they've gove visa and went to UA.
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A bit of statistic about range of divorces:
AU man + AU women - 50% divorces.
AU man + foreign woman - 30% divorces.
As you see, marrige with lady overseas is more stable.... well.... I won't be alone ukrainian lady i our society.... bcs there are succesfully married people, friends.
"You think I didn't have opportunity???????????? : )) ) ) ))) ) "
Yeah... MONADA - because you are so beautiful and appealing you had ever opportunity. Every guy wants you - because you are every guys dream. Men fall at your feet and beg you to come to America. They tear their hair out in anguish when you refuse (and a lot of you thought it was male pattern baldness - no, its caused by anguish at Monada's refusal).
See - we have two camps here, both just as dilusional. We have middle-aged beer belly guys thinking Ukrainian women will fall all over them. And we have loud obnoxious conceited Ukrainian women thinking that guys will fall all over THEM.
MONADA is a prime example of the second camp.
Got news for you MONADA - what some guy might say to you to get you into bed doesn't count. He may proclaim his love for you and beg you to be with him - but its only a sex thing. Be realistic.
But if you wanna know my personal attitude to relations I say you that:
IDEA IS NOT JUST TO FIND A NICE LADY (for men) OR POCKET WITH MONEY (for ladies) BUT
TO FIND THE ONE CREATED BY GOD EXACTLY FOR YOU!!!
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I'm not caring about my appearance and what "every american guy" think and says about me.
I jast AM as I AM. I say what I wanna say. I do what I wanna do. I AM FREE :) ) )
I'm keen of freedom. And it means for me a lot.
MY WORLD. I HAVE IT. AND I FOND THE ONE, WHO IS THE REFLEXION OF MINE. : )) ) )
Nope you didn't Monada, because any guy with his head screwed on right would avoid you like the plague.Especially the non-intellectual short wearing Americans.
That's why I am a special "good on sale" and need special "buyer" :) ) )
Actually.... I'm not available for sale any more : )) ) I'm in pocket of MY MAN : )) ) )) ) his TREASURE :) ) ))
And with you here, guys I just get sm fun : )) I study the mentality of western people, if you wanna know that :) )
I'm for the One who loves his FREEDOM... for the One who knows the Sharp Taste of Life.... for the One who is not scared to loose, bcs it's impossible to loose in life....
I'm for mental killer :) ) and for the One ready to Die for me... THIS is the Price for My Love.
I take My Man whole...... till the last his thought….. am everywhere around and inside Him...
His Breath…….. His Poison......
I die for Him... for the One - the owner of my Heart... my bloody materialistic bitchy HEART : )) ))
I give him my blood to drink when he wants water….. and it’s not a joke, nasfan6.........
My Mind have no limits....
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Smbdy here did said I am "psycho"... well... it's one of the best compliments : )) if you ever are able to understand......
That’s why better if most of men don’t like me… then it’s easier to live : )) )
Agree with Nasfan on this one. If your serious about your girl and you don't want her to speak any English... ok maybe you want to keep her pregnant and barefoot too. lol.
Although the cost nasfan quotes is a lot cheaper than I was quoted. Where did you get that info from? If I remember when I was there I was quoted something nearing $75/wk for private lessons. So maybe you are talking about college classes?
nasfan6: "any guy with his head screwed on right would avoid you like the plague"
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