Moya,, Yes,,, I believe so! But,,,,, she’s not the one I thought she was,,,,, and it wasn’t skating, it was gymnastics.
When you wrote: “she’s still alive” I thought I’d better check, and it wasn’t the same girl.
This took place in 1999 or 2000 when my wife wanted to meet her friend Tanya, who was a trainer and former Olympian.
While taking a tour of the facilities, Tanya introduced us to Svetlana Boginskaya. She was known as the “tall” gymnast,,,, but in person was very short,,, 5’2 according to her bio.
I spent about 20 minutes looking for her in skater photos, before I remembered it was gymnastics. I was also looking for her name to be spelled like;,,, Bovinceskaya.
If anyone looks at the “tumblr” link,,, check out the canoe/ boat house and the stairs behind them. You only see about one flight of steps in the photo,,,,, but there’s like 15 to 20 more,,, and straight up! I was in my mid 30’s at the time,,, and even back then it was one of the most difficult climbs I had ever made. About half way up, the girls asked me if we should stop and rest? I said: stop if you want,,,,, but I can’t,,,,, if I do,,, I won’t get started again. I made it to the top non-stop,,, and the girls came a few minutes later. My legs cramped up while walking back to the camp.
The tumblr link works, but not the Lake Owen link,,, not for me anyway.
LR wrote "I met Oksana Baiul, a Odessa native and Olympic champion in figure skating in person in Cable, Wis. An Olympic training camp for beginners."
I met her also. alot of power in a tiny body. gymnasts have always held my fancy. I know 4 girls in Nikolaev who are trying out for olympic team in rythmic gymnastics. 2 of my foster girls in Kiev are training for the chance too. Its expensive even at state training facility. It would be so cool for an orphan girl to be in Olympics, right?
I thought I explained it well enough the first time?
I was looking through Wiki for the spelling of Odessa when I saw an article on Oxanna Baiul.
I recognized her name and mistook her for the person I spent just 20 minutes with,,, 13 or 14 years ago!
I watch the Olympics with interest,,, but I am not a follower of skating or gymnastics. I can name a handful of girls in either sport,, but that’s it.
The girls in gymnastics are very young, most are halfway through their careers when they turn 18,,,, so who is turned on by them? Some of the skaters have nice figures,,,, a blond skater from a couple of Olympics ago was really hot,,,, but I don’t remember her name either. I’m horrible with names,,, but I remember faces very well.
WTFisgoingon, I dont think Odesa or Nikolaev are bad places to find a real relationship. As both places get a good amount of foreign visitors,
the girls dont easily fall for the BS of most American guys who think they are doing the girls a favor by meeting them. These girls dont need to
be rescued and most live a decent life. Most want simply to meet a good, stable, emotionally healthy guy who isnt broke and will treat them good and
take care of them. Of course there are pro daters and scammers but they exist in the USA too.
Lets face it. All girls, no matter the country, like nice things. Its up to the man to be a man and know when something she wants is worthwhile or not.
Girls will respect when a guy says no to something if he is otherwise a giving and thoughtful person.
I have often bought something a girl wanted only to say "no" 15 minutes later especially when I thought "i just spent 100 bucks on something frivolous"
If they want something I feel is stupid I will ask "wouldnt you like --- instead?" Most girls will respect your limits and opinions if they are real genuine girl
but none will respect a broke bloke who is always counting what he spends 24/7
Many girls are just "testing" you anyway. Some simply want to see your reaction.
When I buy something for a girl,,, I do it because I want to! I don’t do it because a website/agency/interpreter or local says so!
Why is it,, that the people who want a guy to keep spending,, are the locals???
If a girl demands something,, drop her!
If she keeps hinting about buying her something,,,, and the relationship is young,,,, it’s a very bad sign.
All of the guys that I know,,, who are married now,, knew the value of a good, sincere, honest, practical, and frugal woman!
Telling people that ritual gift giving is part of their culture,,,,, is a page from the website/agency handbook on scamming.
@ AP re your trip to Nikolaev. Firstly you say you not looking for a wife and you are not a sex tourist, mmmmmm then why did you complain that she would not have sex with you on the first or second night and you wanted to take her to Odessa to try and have sex with her. You say she was not hot as her picturs but yet you were willing to spend big money to take her to Odessa to have your way with her. Do you think because you are a foreigner and can pretend to be rich when you arrive here because of the exchange rate that all the women will throw themselves at you. With regards the Ukrainian men staring at you this is bullshit because how would they even know that you are foreign unless you were acting like a tosser. If you had looked around many of the men also drink cocktails so that blows that theory. Nikolaev in fact is one of the friendliest cities in Ukraine. It has 5 really cool nightclubs, loads of restaurants and many places to visit. Unfortunately I think you expected this girl to throw herself at you but she did not. Just because you are a foreigner does not mean these women sleep with everyone they meet. They are not whores, they also like to dated in the normal fashion. If having sex with a girl on you first meeting is important to you then Ukraine does not really need you here. Your story is full of holes.
By the way I am a foreigner that lives in Nikolaev and have been doing so for 3 years already. It is a wonderful safe place. You could not walk around your neighborhood at 3 or 4 in the morning without getting mugged. Here girls are walking home from clubs and pubs alone and very safe.
Soundlike you are a sex tourist. stick to Thailand.
PS Comment a long time ago by Volosataja Pelmeshko above, still holds true. we all know the score here in ukraine, yet we choose to think WE will be the exception. maybe, mostly likely not.you need to first, speak the language, be local, take time to know locals, create friends in your chosen city / town / village, earn trust of the girl HER family and friends etc…then, maybe you can meet a "good, quality, wholesome Ukraine woman with cincture intentions. You are, how you present yourself.
Here we are in 2014 and nothing has changed for the guys coming to ukraine. before you consider coming to ukraine, you need to decide what your "end game is"…..your objective, what do hope to achieve here.
A) if its sex with hot ukraine girls; be open, make it about sex with hot ukraine girls - go online to websites / agencies, pay accordingly and away you go! sex with hot ukraine girls.
B) if, however, you are sincerely looking for a long term relationship, expect to make a longer investment time wise with ONE woman. learn some culture, learn some language and for god sake, clean your self up. you have have to make YOURSELF a catch for her too! its a 2-way street here.
5th visit in less than 2 years - 4 months here in total so far. I found my little "out of the way" haven in central ukraine. a smaller city with all the amenities, lots of universities and cultural goings ons, 3 hours to any of the big 3 cities and few if any, foreign "predators"….so the feelings towards me as a foreigner by the local women are hospitable and welcoming - even though most don't converse well in English….Also, I got to know some local guys too - played football, drank a little, watched some games in the pub etc. And THEY are the ones trying to hook me up…they keep saying I am not like the other foreigners, you should meet my sister, my classmate, my work mate, my girlfriends best friend etc….but, this all takes lots of time and commitment. if your objective is "B", its all worth it…you need friends here too.
its rather funny reading AP's post in the beginning.
i can relate to a lot of it, but seriously if you only see the place like such you do live in tunnel vision as in thats what you only want to see.
its easy to play the negative line on any country, mine included.
but i will have to admit, Briton has it over NZ in ignorant idiots, bigger population but.