I feel this one needs to be mentioned. It is humiliating for me, but I feel that others should know in order to avoid the same exposure.
I recently visited a girl from Kiev. I took her to Yalta, there are whole threads about that and I went over the board filled from enthusiasm describing the fun, etc. So, you get the point what I am going to talk about ...
Well, first of all this girl is featured on 3 top marriage sites. I won't mention these sites for now, but one of these is considered to be the top Russian marriage site on the net managed by Americans. To avoid any confusion the sites that I am talking about is not fiance.com, it's another legit site. Hear me out, this is interesting.
I introduced myself to her through this top site by placing a $150 phone call through the site's phone interpreter service. I met her in person one week later in Kiev. During the week before the physical meeting, we exchanged a couple letters and phone calls. During the last phone call, she asked what parts of her body was I going to kiss when I would meet her ... it raised a flag, but not a red one. She also told me that she had just left her job because it didn't pay much money and she was out of money, but didn't ask money outright.
Then we met at the airport and went to the apartment in Kiev. We had this long discussion about how serious girl she was and she was looking only for serious relationship. She doubted about my intentions and I had to spend several hours conversing and explaining that I am the serious as well. During all this time, she wouldn't kiss me although I tried several times. It got to the point that it started getting on my nerves. To make a long story short we slept together that night, but it was very natural and the sex was enjoyed by the both of us especially her. The next day she went to her home and came back later in the afternoon and the same thing repeated for two more nights. The third day she left me a little letter saying how much she had enjoyed sex with me and how much she liked me and she let me know that she didn't have a job and she was in need of money asking if I could help her. I ignored this and she didn't bring it up. The last day before we went to Yalta (still in Kiev fourth day) she took to her home some clothes that I purchased for me in Paris and she made some alterations (she had a sewing machine and she said she was sewing clothes for people to make some money). She did a very good job and I gave her 50 hrivnyas (about $9). The alterations would have at least cost $60 in the US.
Then we left to go to Yalta. Everything seemed fine, she never asked for money. At some point she told me that she loved me and that it was bad because I would leave and she would have me in her memory and that wasn't good because she had problems to take care. She told me about her sister that she was seeing another American guy, 43 years old, with no intent to get married and that guy was supporting her sister, he was sending her money through WU. She said that her sister depended on this guy. The sister doesn't work and after the dude left, she took off with her friends and is now in Odessa vacationing ... "My girl" said that she is different and she wants to work. But, it really came to me as a surprise when she insisted that it was ok that her sister was getting money from this guy. I told her "this is money for sex". She insisted that sex was one thing and support as a friend in difficult moments was another thing. Now, I need to mention that during the whole vacation she didn't try to have me spend money. The exact opposite I had to push her to go out to expensive restaurants. She said she didn't want me to spend too much money because she didn't want to be a burden for me. We took a lot of pictures, many naked pictures that could easily find their way in porno magazines and she seemed pretty comfortable with the camera and touching her body. I even asked her to pee in the bath tab and she did and I took pictures. I never had a clue of what was happening ... I thought I was living my spring break years again ...
Anyway, she seemed very affectionate and I believed her at the time when she was saying that she loved me. When I kissed her at the airport on my way back I gave her 300 hrivnyas (about $55) to help her until she would find a job. We agreed I was going back end of August to meet with her mother (there is no father). Since then we had calls and emails. I asked her on the phone several times if she needs money. She refused and said that she will go to her mother to live in another small city until she finds a job in Kiev.
Today I was accidentally browsing one of the dating sites (not a legit one) and noticed that some of the women were posting escort services and found her profile with naked pictures and text of the type: "I'm sexy and hot", etc. I recognized her in the pictures and also the location, age everything matches the description. In one of the pictures she was even wearing the clothes that she was wearing at the airport when we first met.
I did a little more research and found that this kind of thing is called sponsorship. The other Yankee who is banging her twin sister is called sponsor. Apparently there are many young or less young RUWs who cannot make ends meet and rely on foreigners as sponsors. The men send them money and visit for the occasional fuck. Some of these girls get married (the lucky ones) the others continue to be sponsored. The sponsor need not be a foreigner. Can be native guy with money. This apparently is pretty common there.
This girl wants to marry me! We haven't talked about my discovery yet ... but for now she believes that we will marry and she is very happy about that. Her laughter when she heard the word fiancee sounded very honest and revealed true happiness.
I know many will say "I was caught asleep" and that is correct. For me this was an experience and I am glad I found out now rather than later. But, the question is do we know who these girls are? do we know whom we meet? even if the girl is featured on a legit site does it mean anything? We are talking a lot about scams, but anti-scam is easy, when a girl asks for money, you run. What you do when a hooker tries to marry you? I swear to God this girl was going to marry me and come here if I allowed her to do so and why not?
For me people this is it. Enough RUW crap I had. It was an experience, but I am going back to American girls. At least I can tell that I am not sleeping with hookers.
P.S. I may post information on these sites later. They deserve the exposure if they are selling hookers to people.
It´s a very tragic story. I feel very sorry for the girl, plz don´t break her heart when you tell her about this.. She´s obviously having a difficult life anyway..
I am a complete newbie to this but I have read your posts. You seemed to be happy about being loved but you haven´t been responsible. You have bad morals, don´t look for someone to blame, even if I certainly understand that you´re pissed off. The world really sucks sometimes..
But go back to America, I think it´s easier to handle for you.
Your observations about me are right in that I haven't been responsible. I don't see your point about bad morals. The issue of morals is very subjective.
Well, this is how hookers get by. So, you think this girl is in a difficult time? So, anyone who's in difficult times becomes a hooker? what kind of moral is this? You know she said she was making $50 a month in her previous job, but wasn't enough, so she left her job. Why not work a second job instead? The mother of the previous girl that I dated in Ukraine is a professional engineer, but she works in the open market ten hours every day including weekends three weeks per month (30 degrees below in winter) to assist her family (because makes more in that job as opposed to working as engineer). She is not becoming a hooker. What about the infamous Russian woman's pride?
And if this girl were serious at all about me why not tell me the truth? Why not tell me "this is what I did out of need, but I don't like this life and I want to live with dignity". But, she is corrupt inside. Aside from all the crap that I said in previous postings, I liked her and I was going to go back to meet her again and meet her mother.
What I am pissed off is the sites that advertise their ladies are all legit and tested and they deceive people making statements like these. This is why I put this posting here. To warn others. Do you have any idea about the background of the girls you are corresponding with? You trust the site right? And if the site makes the statement that they have checked the background of every girl in their database, you believe them right? because they're Americans and they seem legit and they give you advice. And you spend your money and you may end up bringing a hooker here. She'll live with you for two years and after she becomes permanent, she'll sail out to catch new fish. Women who sell themselves for money are corrupt inside and are unlikely to change.
The issue is not me and my morals. This could have occurred to anyone. This girl has been in socials and has gone out with people from these socials and is corresponding with others. She plays double game advertising for marriage on three sites and sex for at least one other site. I guess the question is if one wants to date a hooker why not stay in a five star hotel in Moscow. You'll be contacted by hookers and you will not spend as much money in correspondence and phone calls and travel expenses not to mention emotional damage.
Hei wtrav.Sad story indeed. Just popped by to see how everyone is getting on. You don't seem to be getting on so well so I'll send a something that might or might not comfort you. I think that you should not give up on this girl yet. I think you should not give up the POSSIBILITY of marring her some day. It's a giant step, but maybe one both you and her can manage. If you can, and IF she can this could be a fairytale come true for both of you. I'm no moralist, I'm a realist and i wouldn't advise this if I didn't think it real that you could make each other happy and wise. And what is more you'ld be a Man.
if you wonder how on earth I came to that conclusion, you can always mail me direct. Bye and good luck.
Norway, thank you for your advice. It's greatly appreciated. I don't think I have the stomach to get used to the idea of getting married to a escort girl. The naked pictures that I saw on the web in connection with her are too disturbing for me. In addition, I recalled some of the vague talk that we had about her mother and I conclude that the mother is definitely a hooker. Which means she grew up like this.
Yes, I wonder how you came to your conclusion. I'll mail you directly. Thanks again.
As I said, I understand that you´re pissed off. And morals is a very subjective issue, that´s true. I don´t know how you found the naked pics of your gf but I can´t say it´s better moral to look for escort girls than being an escort girl... It´s just my opinion..
If you think she´s a bad person then you should politely break up with her. I understand if you want to do it. She´s not told you about being a hooker (who would?) and maybe you´re right that´s she´s corrupt, I have no idea.. But I wouldn´t blame her, I´d blame the world or something. She´s like 20 years old, just a kid.
I have no clue at all, but I think that even hookers have the capability to love someone. If she really loves you then you owe her respect, no matter her background.
Sorry wtrav! Why don’t you write/go see that Yulia girl again from what you shared on forum she sounded like a sweet girl…
I agree with Cosmo…I think it is more the situation she’s in…there were times when I was with my girl in Moscow, and wining and dining her…and giving her pearls, and she was offering what she could to me…I sometimes had to question what was real in the relationship…We as men are looking for younger hot affectionate women…they are looking for mature, financial stable attentive man…theses relationships from the beginning are often off balance compared to what I am used to in the States…
I suspected that she was doing something like escort service because of her persistence to have many pictures taken and the way she was posing. While in Yalta, I didn't ask her to allow me to take naked pics, but when she exposed her breasts first time willingly and playfully in front of the camera, I went for it and then she exposed more and more ... (if I give full details, this posting will be removed). She also insisted that we have the pics developed in Ukraine, so she could have the prints. When we went to her apartment, I was amazed by the number of pictures she had. I knew she was posing, but then there were too many naked pictures (only her breasts though or at least these were the ones she showed me).
When I came back, I became very suspicious. I didn't have to search too much to find her. In fact, her ad is in a site that is supposed to be for marriage, but also has a bunch of ads for escort services.
I agree with you about the world being the one to blame. I believe the girl was in need of money at the time. But, if she were willing to work hard, she wouldn't hae to do this. I think a hooker is made to be a hooker. This girl liked show business and TV and all that ... like the girls here who go to Hollywood in hopes they'll be stars and end up down the drain in the pron industry and prostitution. Add the urgent need for money and her troubled childhood and you get the conclusion why she ended up in this situation.
I broke up with her very nicely. I informed her that I know of her profession and asked a couple questions. I haven't heard back for two days and I don't think I will. I informed, however, her agencies and they'll remove her from their databases.
In fact, I called my previous girlfriend from Ukraine several times over the weekend. We were able to work things out. She loves me and she'll take me back. I called my lawyer and will resurrect her visa process. She's already been approved by INS and in a couple of months max sh'll have her interview. This was a good lesson for me and a defining moment. I promised Yulia it won't happen again and I'll make sure it won't. Good luck and thanks for the advice!
Yo wouod is all dis shit about you getting married to a prostitute man? yo ok ma negga?? Or maybe da sun hit you in da head?
Dis girl was abviously using you as an one-way ticket outa of da country man...she was trying to get you emotional side by letting you understand dat she is an honest-sincere-faithful girl...Wouod a mistake.
Consider dis as a fun good ol time, and move on.
American girls are really nice and sincere as well negga, and on the long run you can get on better with a local girl from da hood than a U-N-F-B(unfaithful Bitch) with unknown past.
I not "mourohavlos" or "tsatsos" or "bourdomagkas" do you catch me dude??
I didn't say I was marrying the hooker. I said I am back with the girl that I used to date from Ukraine for about a year now, A TESTED, HONEST GIRL WHO LOVES ME.
Agree on the UNFB stuff, I was made on similar mold dude, don't worry the dude is not marrying a hooker ...
YOooooooo! you speak greek man???? where did you learn all dat greek?
All da nice words...I knew dat you were ma brotha.....
Anyway, i was at Ayia Napa for 4 days, just returned...wow
British/German/Scandinavean girls man..EVERYWHERE drunk, shitless
They dont knaw what da fuck dey are doing:
Gennimenos kai megalomenos ellada megale, pireas olimpiakos thrilos, irtha edo teleiosa to sxoleio kai meta allo sxoleio kai allo sxoleio ... milao poli kala ellinika ki exo siggeneis kai filous kai se ellada kai ameriki. Eixa dio poli kalous filous apo Kipro sta kollegia gamo ta paidia kai poli gkomeniarides. Tora pao ellada kathe peripou tria tesera xronia, perisi to kalokairi imoun stin Ko me kati filous polla mounia xenes. Stin Athina ginotan xalasmos me tis anatolikes kai tis ellinides tis mounares, poli exoun allaxei ta teleftaia xronia megale epatha plaka. Gia tis Kipries akouo kala pragmata exoun exelixthei paromoios.
Edo ta vlepeis o kosmos psaronei efkola, pistevoune o,ti tous lene ... oloi to paizoun psixanalites kai psixovgaltes. Katse na kanoume ligo plaka sto CodeRed, pou les aftos o CodeRed, tora aftos exei piasei ta lexika na vrei ti ginetai.
I have a friend in Athens, corporate attorney, he's doing business in Cyprus. He said very good things about da gals on the island. Gimme the scoop about the RUWs in Cyprus, are they like in Athens? Man they are so many in Greece working there, every dude I used to know has a Russian gal. I saw the picture my bud's girlfiend 19 years from Moldova (he's 37) I was drooling all over.
I've been to the islands many times. I know the life. It's a big, bony party. The girls have their pants unzipped and their panties down all day and night. Topless everywhere and maybe a thong to cover the bush, bush, bush, bush!!!! Give them the details brada, let them feel the fun.
Megaleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.........
Po po re file, den eiha idea oti eisouna kai esy ellinas. Pos fenete to elliniko aima re gamoto.
File mou, ego i katastasi einai ektos eleghou. Bale apo rossides poutanes, mehri toyristries.
Oi kyrpies ekseliktikan episis, anagkastika epeidi prospathoun na mas kratisoun apo tis pio pano!
The situation here in da island, is smashing. The place is packed with russian girls, from sophiticated offshore company employees to cabaret prostitutes.
I have actually seen alot of smashing russian girls here, and alot were sophisticated and classy.
but of course, you can find alot of prostitutes if you want, most of them been fantastic looking as well. I have seen prostitutes that could easily be mistaken for top models here.
Wtrav, let me say I feel sorry for this woman. Eastern women are renound for their loyalty and ability to love unlike many western women. Do you really think she sh*gs people and takes cash for it for fun?
Do you think any prostitute sh*gs men for fun? - No. They are desperate and they need the money. These women know only one thing that will bring them some extra cash: Paid sex. They don't really want to shag one man after another. I'll bet you most of them would give their right arm to have a stable relationship with a man that actually loves them for who they are.
Now I'm currently chasing after a Moldovan as you already know. If she turned out to be a pro I would certainly be shocked. I would have to talk to her and ask her why and what protection she uses if any. I would also not turn her away just because of this. Of course I would ask her to have a few blood tests, but if these were clear then I would have no problem. Everyone deserves that 2nd chance don't they?
I feel very sorry for these women that they are so poor that they resort to such humiliating levels of indecency just to get food in their stomachs. If I was given a choice of a eastern woman who was a pro (but tested and clean) who would be loyal or a western woman who is after what ever the nearest richest man can give her, I would go for the eastern woman. These women do have morals but they are forced to break them in order to survive. Do you not realise what its like to have so little money coming in that you cannot survive?
Do you really think these women are proud of what they do?. Do you think they are honestly going to tell you "By the way, I'm a prostitute" or do you think they would prefer to have a stable husband who actually loves them and takes proper care of them?. I'll bet you all the eastern prostitutes would rather have a proper husband and escape prostitution rather than remain on the game.
I must say I feel extremely sorry for these women for being forced into such a degrading position. Women actually have higher morals than most men - Afterall it's men that use prostitutes right?. These women are desperate for a semi decent life - Who can blame them?.
Let me put it like this. If you were that poor and you could only make a few spare bucks by sh*gging big fat ugly women would you rather be a loyal loving husband to a woman that could take care of you for the rest of your life, or continue to sh*g sickening fat ugly old women? - Do you see what I'm saying?
Don't frown upon these women. They are not proud of the life they lead. Being a prostitute is degrading for any woman. If she tells you that she loves you it's probably because you are the best thing thats ever happened to her and she genuinley has respect for you because you see her as a person not just a piece of meat. Sure you may have issues about her screwing other men to allow herself to survive, but why not just give her the chance she needs to prove that she is a real person capable of love and affection? - At the end of the day you may very well be the one with the problem - the problem being accepting how she manages to survive. I would see the poor woman as having made the best of a bad situation. Sure she has slept with men for money, but its the one thing she knows will bring her an income and she has been brave enough to break her moral values and do it. Could you do something that was against your moral values in order to survive? - Give these women the credit they deserve - at least for bravery's sake!
You called her agencies and had them remove her? - Not the nicest of things to do really!
Sure I see where your coming from, but this woman has a human need to survive and she also has a human right to try and improve her life. Just because she may be a hooker doesn't mean she doesn't deserve a 2nd chance.
Informing her agencies and having them remove her is like kicking her in the teeth when she's already at her lowest most degrading point in her life. I think it's a terrible thing to do.
If revenge is what you wanted you could of done it a much better way rather than ruin any chance she has of a decent life. Do you have any idea how she may of felt about you? - only to have you turn around and ruin any chance of a decent life she may have.
Turboz, you have it all wrong. This woman is on the net for marriage aside from the escort service since the beginning of the year. She reportedly attended one AFA social and she went out for dinner with one man age 40ish or so. This guy was intersted in her, but she wasn't because the guy was too old and he had two daughters. She said, she couldn't get used to the idea of the daughters being almost her age. She is fooling around and is using the marriage sites as a playground. The had a cool attitude about all this. She takes advantage of her youth and decent looks to either make money without working or get married and solve her financial problem once and for all. When she was with me, she tried several times to find out about my house, my cars, my job, how much money I have. She didn't spend time and made no effort to find out about me as a person. The only connection with her was sex. I give it to her she was very good and we both enjoyed it greatly. Other than that she is trying to get her hands on anything she can. Her twin sister is sponsored by another American guy whom she met through a social, he sends her money and he visits her every 2-3 months. That girl doesn't work either and when the guy left she took off with her firends to Odessa on vacation. I said to Marina, "what does your sister know about this guy? what if he is married" answer "she doesn't care, maybe he is married, Larry knows too old (43), but Larry very interesting man" (yeahh very interesting the fact he owns 10 apartments or at least that's what he told them). I gave Marina $60 at the airport before I left. This money was given to her in order to pay for rent and food until she would find a new job. To thank me, she grabbed my tongue inside her mouth and almost swallowed it. A few days later, she sent me new glamor pictures (pics 21, 22, 23, 24 on Marinarusianfuckgirl album). These pictures were taken after I left from Ukraine. I can recognize a bracelet that I bought her in Yalta and the white top she wears in one of the pictures (the one where she is sitting on the stool) is one of the clothes that I gave her as present (you can see the "Bebe" logo if you enlarge the picture - Bebe is an American fashion chain for young girls). This girl is chasing easy money, she doesn't want to work unless it's in show business ... and was very envious of her sister having landed the deal with the other dude. She saw me as a gold mine, but it didn't turn the way she hoped.
Some of the girls are honest, some are not. Take as a piece of advice: be tactfully suspicious, don't believe everything they tell you until they prove what they say.
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Well I can see there are obviously 2 sides to this coin. She turned away a 40 ish man because he was old and had 2 daughters. Now all people can take on the thought of becoming a parent over night to someone else's children. Some people are terrified of it. Admittedly it doesn't worry me too much with my Moldovan friend otherwise I wouldn't still be chasing after her. Infact I now see the 7 yr old son as a potential miracle from god. You see I'm only 21 so there will be an obvious maturity gap between us. If she has a 7 yr old son tagging along with her it can only work to my advantage that I will be able to relate to him easier than a 30 something yr old man because I will be closer to his own age than any 30 something yr old. Now if you get on with someone's children your 1/2 way there instantly. Your friend just plainly sounds scared if you ask me. There is also the other thing to consider that she may not have been accepted by this mans 2 daughters - how would this then make her feel?
With regards to her sister going on holiday at her american friends expense when he gaver her some money: Good for her!. I hope she had the trip of a lifetime. You know why? - Because she will associate him with good things in her life which make her feel positive. She will also appreciate him when she next see's him a lot more than many women and I bet he'll get laid :)
You say you gave Marina $60 before you left andd that she was extremely grateful. Not suprising really is it? - You saved her having to scr*w total strangers for a week I should imagine!. Imagine having to do really fat ugly old women every day and feeling sick while doing it only to have some really nice foreign women give you a few hundred bucks which will allow you to survive for a couple of weeks without touching any of those ugly customers! - Wouldn't you also be greatful?
Most girls like show business. Nothing wrong with that. The moldovan I'm chasing after is a singer - Thats how I first discovered her. She loves her job even though it's not paid very well and I doubt she'd leave it for anything. I even have my doubts as to whether marriage, british passport and a home for her AND her son in the UK would encourage her to leave. Of course I think the home for her and her son to live together may influence things a little, but otherwise I don't know if she would ever consider it.
So the photo's she sent you were taken after you left? - Doesn't mean she was screwing anyone else does it? (unless you mean the cock in those pics isn't yours of course!). IF we're just talking about the nude pics then she could of got a female friend to take them - Or used a camera with a self timer!
I can appreciate your concerns about being used by this woman, but even if she is intending to use you just see what you can get in return - If you get laid 6 times daily then why say no? - Things could even get better and she may actually genuinly fall for you!.
With regards to wanting to know about your house car etc, yes that does show the signs of a money grabber so I give ya credit there. Actually I was concerned about the Moldovan when I asked her what she wanted to know about me and the first thing she asked was about my job. Ironically when I said I worked for the british government in a local government office she didn't seem to ask anything else. A few conversations later and she realises who I am and that I'm a lot younger than her. She still wasn't put off though and admitted that she'd found herself drawn to me despite the age gap - I wasn't exactly dressed to impress at the time either!.
Don't take it all so seriously - you'll enjoy yourself a lot more!
I guess you're right in many of the points that you raised. However, even now that things have calmed down and even if I could turn back time, I would still dump her. Even if she told me from the beginning who she was and that she wanted to change life, I would have fun with her for those days (just beacuse I was there) and then I would break up with her anyway. It's a personality thing. I see all your points however. It seems to me you'll have a great time and maybe a great realtionship with the woman from Moldova. You have a positive attitude, that's good! Good luck with your correspondence and your date in September and thanks for the good pointers.
P.S. The pics she sent me after I left were the ones where she put her hair up (curly also). I recall that I told her I would like her to put her hair up and she did so and sent me pictures. Maybe you're right about her and you were able to read her better than me even if you didn't meet her, I don't know.