I have read this forum with great interest since the turn of the year, and have waded through a great deal of its previous posts.
I was one of those, new to this endeavour, who came onto the forum having just started to write to a stunning beauty, literally bursting with enthusiasm, asking questions and making daft comments with no idea of the big picture. Some of the remarks from a certain individual made me feel like never posting again and I decided to simply listen and learn.
This forum is like gold dust, it is invaluable, but it could be ten times better.
What I would like to say is that as all of this silly bitchiness and negative attitude has now erupted to a head, lets try and take this forum a step further by viewing each other as friends, adding a little more tact into our postings, and perhaps also a little more humour, and avoiding any kind of unnecessary negativity.
It used to annoy me that deliberately unfriendly remarks were forwarded to those from the U.S.A. You guys have so much more distance and expense involved that you should be saluted for your efforts.
And those who choose to do things in a slightly different way, like Jet with his socials, should be encouraged not attacked.
I think that whenever a new name appears here they should be formally welcomed and encouraged to post and ask questions.
Lastly, I am sure that there are many who read this forum but never comment. Perhaps if it were a more friendly place they would share in it and add to its usefulness.
Very well said! I don't understand the fact that so many people take anything said about them personnally. It is just someones opinion on something. No one is right or wrong on anything( unless it is governmental rules). Maybe if this is in back of everyones mind things would be better. I enjoy takes little jabs at others but just for some humour and I don't care if it is given back at me, just take it at that. Thanks
How you doing?
I recall you having a bit of fun with me some time ago, and rest assured I wasn't referring to that. I'm in no way a sensitive person.
My comments were toward the fact that a recently departed member seemed to have something unpleasant to say to every inexperienced new guy to appear on the forum.
Bada Bing!! Tringa, this was a very fraternal forum. Where we did encourage each other, with the occasional friendly barb tossed each others way. This adventure many of us are taking is a very serious one. When I first started my search, I was lucky. A very friendly Brit, named TimH kind of took me under his wing and gave me a lot of information and nuances of searching for a lady in the FSU. It would be of interest to many to plug in his name in the search engine and read some of his posts here. I know many in the last couple of years have read and not posted, because you can see how many times a thread have been viewed. 3 years ago these pages would move so fast you had to go back a page each day to review the days information.
A new guy shouldn't get flamed for asking a question, no matter how stupid it may seem to a guys that have traveled there a bit. Though you can read some now that deserve a shot here and there. We didn't have too many guys posting idiotic statements as we do now. I still have a problem if a guy isn't really interested and serious in this search why is he here? I have a couple of forum friends I have taken to task lately regarding their negative posts about women from the FSU and the virtues of women in other countries. My feeling if you don't succeed in the FSU, why condemn a whole nation or culture because you failed?
My attitude in the beginning of this search, was this is going to be a one time adventure. I was going to be very selective in who I was going to see and why. I was 45 when I began my search and at 48 I married an incredible lady. Who at the time we met was 42. I kept my correspondence to women 35 and older. Though I don't begrudge a guy looking for a woman in her late 20's at my age, I just didn't think it would work for me. You still, I feel need a common ground and life experiences. I retrospect I've seen to many guys bust looking for the younger trophy wife.
I found a lady that had similar life experiences as I had, and learned her reasoning behind the decisions she made in these experiences. Which I liked nd admired how she handled them. I learned the pitfalls and how to avoid them here. I never been one who agreed with the posting of scammers in this forum, it creates more problems than what it is worth. We know they are there and the exist and with research you can understand the scams, which are very similar, but there are variations on the themes.
My advice to many here is go back and read some of the older post's about 3 years ago. Many of the guys back then have succeeded in finding a lady and they are still together today. Each of us had a common dominator. We had fun, learned from each other, knew the bravado was more a humorous one. It was really fun to be here. I wish everyone here all the luck in the world. I can help with Kiev, Mariupol, Donetsk and Yalta, beyond that I am speculating. As knowing the mindset of the Ukrainian woman, I have somewhat of a clue, especially of one that is grounded and intelligent. I think you have to be very serious of going to the place to meet your lady, and be committed to it. Though I'm not certain that jumping on a plane too quickly accomplishes too much but frustration, or meeting multiple women on one trip. I don't think you can pay attention to the seriousness of a lady by meeting multiple women on a trip. That's just my opinion. Yeah have a backup plan, but if you really prepare upfront, the chances of you needing it is greatly decreased.
Thanks for sharing those thoughts. I can't agree with you more. I wrote to my friend for five months before even suggesting a meeting,( going soon,) and I think that if I had any intention of meeting up with others on the same trip she would see right through me. I ain't taking no backup plan with me.
I am convinced, upon the limited information that I have gleaned so far, that these women are looking for love with a decent guy, not wealth or a ticket out of their homeland.
What is Bada Bing? Is this Bing Crosbies great grandchild, or something I missed out on during my sheltered youth?
I had set up two meeetings with girls...different cities, each a week..guess what? Did not end up spending any time with either. My trip was fly by ear...ended up being my best so far. Pays to know cities from prior trips. Really needed those back ups!!!
I have a question for all of you guys. Why on earth do you have to travel to another country to get a gal? Please enlighten me. I see guys from the US. What are they doing in Russia? Looking for a desperate girl who is willing to be obedient?
well my main reason is back in the u.s all that is available now are divorced women in their 30+ age group with one or more children in tow. i personally do not want a black african woman either, as that option is available all over the u.s and is definetely something i do not want how ever much the politicaly correct try to browbeat and brainwash me into believing that multiracial marriages are good for us.
In the ukraine or Russia there is is a surplus of white women some good some bad like anywhere else but there is definetely a wide selection and it feels like a european country out there but without the constant pc lecturing brainwashing that has infected american and it appear British society also.
fortunately through my own business interests i am now able base myself here in england, and i now travel to ukraine quite often to try and achieve my aim of getting a nice lady partner .
Are you the Jim Jones from Terre Haute Indiana?
Why are earth do guys like you become members of such forums when you have no intention of finding a woman in the FSU?
Gee Jim, maybe the culture of greed in America has a lot to do with it. Maybe women in the FSU understand there are differences in the gender and what they both bring to the table. Or maybe Jim you are a Psuedo feminazi just trying to stir up problems on the board. Or maybe you're an absolute loser that has failed in their search for a woman in the FSU and you want to denigrate them and the men looking for them.
Maybe guys are looking for women who are intelligent, independent and keep their beauty way beyond their 40's. That don't have hangups in life or a prozac queen because their daddy didn't give them enough attention or maybe too much attention as a child. Maybe the women in the FSU aren't so desperate as you may think. Maybe the are smarter, they understand what it is to work for something in life and not expect it handed to them. Maybe the appreciate the opportunities and freedoms in our country more than you do. One thing I noticed in Ukraine is women weren't strung out on some mood elevating drug, they smiled alot and they weren't any lard assed sweat pants wearing women there. Also they didn't complain how life has screwed them all the time. Any Answers????????
Could not have said it better nasfan6 than your 3rd paragraph. I will be the first to condemn generalizations on the one hand, but there is a old joke about stereotypes, "they are all true." This means while stereotypes do not reflect all cases, they reflect a lot of truth in what they describe. I have traveled around the world some, but never to the FSU. I would never have believed what I saw in Odessa in the summer of 06. I have never seen so many 30+ and 40+ women who have kept their curves, the sashay in their walk, and their feminine elegance in all my life. Even if I am not successful in my search, I do not regret trying. I used to think some girls in my high school and college years were something until I traveled abroad. I would recommend it highly to any male to travel to the FSU even if they did not want a wife, just to see what is out there. Personally, I think Jim Jones is a typical cranky Western woman.
Well fellows, I have stirred some strong reactions. Hit a nerve, haven't I?
Now, out of curiosity I went through the profiles of about 3 dozen gals. The vast majority are high school drop outs. As Olga said in another forum, by default, they all want to move out of Russia. Furthermore, another guy said he really liked spending two weeks with number such and such, and another of you who really appreciated the honesty of these gals, interjected and said, "yes... she is great! I have spent two weeks with her too..."
In another board, advice was given to you, to watch out, because many of them already have botfriends, they have zero intention of marrying you, and they sign up just to get the gifts.
If you find an honest woman either in Russia or elsewhetre, go for it! But do not delude yourselves on what you are getting into. Human relations are almost impossible everywhere nowdays. But this is major deception.... on both sides!
So Jim, my life I'm living now is a deception? Hit a nerve? Sounds like a sentence someone liked to use here before. You went through the profiles of 3 dozen women and they are high school dropouts? Hmmm, they post that now in their profiles. I didn't know under education they listed dropouts, and since this is such a great deception, why would any great liar not say they're university educated?
By default they all want to move out of Russia? Well these women aren't all from Russia. And moving from Ukraine or Russia to Maybe England, would be like moving from Indiana to California, which I guess according to you everyone in Indiana by default wants to live in California?
They sign up to get gifts? Because idiot men think they can buy love with their money and the fools give it to them. They think at 60 they can have a 20 something with their money, or complete morons think they can bypass what idiots they really are with their money, and they become the scammers lawful prey.
Only people who delude themselves Jimbo, are guys like you that broadbrush a whole country and culture as being thieves. When there is enough theft in your home country by women there. Any guy who goes to Russia or Ukraine with the mentality that they are saving these women, or they can buy love with their money and influence are total losers. End of story. The search for a lady in the FSU is not an easy one, but not impossible. With common sense and acting as a real man, you can find an incredible woman, with moral character far beyond what you will find where you live. Assuming you are from the states, the good ones are gone and that leaves the rabble behind. Not all men are good and not all women are bad. Not all Russian or Ukrainian men are drunkards and wife beaters, but what I've seen alcohol is a big problem there. That leaves little for a lady to look forward too. Settle for a drunkard or looking abroad, that is not a difficult decision.
Also the chances of two guys spending time with the same girl in the same forum is about as likely as me hitting the lottery this weekend. Which the story was probable bullshit. You are either a trouble maker here or naive as hell to believe some of the crap that is written in forums by idiot losers. My advice to you, give up your search before you become a statistic, if you really are searching, or if you are an American woman posting here, learn soemthing from the ladies, which are intelligent, have style and elegance and act like real women, not some morphed shemale.
Gee Nasfan, my man, I found a comment of yours from 2004. It read "I just wonder if most of these women think we just fell off the dumbass wagon???? I have a letter from one girl that says her mom has a friend at the travel agency that has a friend in the embassy that can get her a visa to the states. Then next classic line is well it cost me my travel money to pay for my under the table visa, so can you help me with my airfare. Yep that's the ticket the moneys on the way honey, oh by the way my dear it will get there as soon as you can put that wet noodle up a wildcats ass. "
Now we are 2007, summertime baby, and we are still looking?
Wake up guys.... !
strongly suggest you read the forum a little more thoroughly before making your observations.......about Nasfan or anyone else for that matter!!
You might find a fair degree of success here.Usually because some have chosen to seek their future away from the politically correct countries they reside in.
I'm all for equality.....but in recent times that particular argument has been turned on it's head,and I for one had absolutely no desire to have my balls put in a sling again by a greedy,overweight feminist.Been there done that bit,quite content to live a happy.....and equal!!! life with my wife.
No contest........and yes I AM WIDE AWAKE!
No moron I'm not still looking. As a matter of fact I'm part of a very successful group of guys here that found a woman in 2004. Married in 2006 to an incredibly smart and beautiful woman, who has style, morals and more character than any woman I've met in the states. She works hard, she keeps herself fit, continually educates herself, and doesn't bitch and whine and reach for the prozac.
You need to wake up. You've probably never been out of your state let alone the country. Find another forum for your negativity. While some here are trying to help others find the real deal!!
Glad, where the hell do these nutcases come from? Northants???????