I am a transplanted American,in my early 20's, living in the Caribbean. there aren't many women here and american women are unaproachable. In the U.S. people only date each other if they meet at work, school, or through friends. are fsu women actually better than western women? if so how? why do so many men on these forums go to the fsu many times and always come back empty-handed? is it easier to meet women there? are the chances of finding a good russian woman better than an american? what advantage is there in seeking women from these countries?
1. yes
2. they are "Real" women
3. probably they havent found what their looking for or are unrealistic about their approach (just my opinion)
4. not really
5. oh yeah
6. they are much stronger inside and out, they know how to make their man happy, if they have an issue they let it be known. they dont hide in lies (in my experience)
No, they are like other women..they will carefully choose there men and they will take the size of the wallet into consideration as well as your looks..no woman wants to be with a poor dude..very applicable for the richer girls from Moscow, Kiev and the largest cities where it is more Westernised and materialisitic.
Did you know that more than 30 Billionaires live in Moscow..it has the highest number of billionaires of any city in the world, resident there.
It gives you an idea of what girls from these cities dream of.
Your better off, find a Ukrainian or Russian peasant girl from a poor village.
You have been warned..keep your wallet closed and don't send money to strangers you meet on the internet..never do it!
No, they are like other women..they will carefully choose there men and they will take the size of the wallet into consideration as well as your looks..no woman wants to be with a poor dude..very applicable for the richer girls from Moscow, Kiev and the largest cities where it is more Westernised and materialisitic.
Did you know that more than 30 Billionaires live in Moscow..it has the highest number of billionaires of any city in the world, resident there.
It gives you an idea of what girls from these cities dream of.
Your better off, find a Ukrainian or Russian peasant girl from a poor village.
You have been warned..keep your wallet closed and don't send money to strangers you meet on the internet..never do it!
Also Ukrainians don't like dark skinned people..negroes and a lot of girls don't like Muslim men.
Several years ago it was rather easy to find a pretty Russian girl who wants to marry American man.
Now economical situation in Russia is improving. So woman have possibility to chose between being alone (and earn enough money for descent living) and looking for a man.
Five years ago kids from the village, that was near my town in Siberia, used to fell unconscious at school, because of HUNGER.
It is from local forum of my town:
Вообще-то Шелковичиху трудно назвать деревенькой.... Там с Березовкой границы уже и нет, а в Березовке школа-десятилетка есть, между прочим . Ну или была до совсем недавнего времени...
Ксавьера, у этой девочки не совсем привычная для нас жизнь. Начиная с того что доходы в Шелковичихе совсем мизерные и заканчивая тем что их пятеро и всех надо кормить... Как сейчас не знаю, но 5-10 лет назад там на уроках дети в голодные обмороки падали. Сильно сомневаюсь что сейчас что-то изменилось.
Their mothers used to straggle for surviving. American man. It used to be one of the best choice.
Now women are looking for a husband and a family because woman with kids really do not have a big chance to find a husband - only a lover. But some really want a husband and chose to find his anywhere including foreigners.
But keep in mind that for them now foreigners are the worst possible choice.
Love yourself, be compassioned for another person and I think all other things will fall into right places.
whenever we think that we are clever to use others, we are end up being used... if you look for someone to love, than you will definitely find the ONE
:) Easy come - easy go! So do we need an easy ride?
Bagira it is good to hear the economic situation in Russia is improving and that women can now earn enough for a descent living.
I do not look for the poor and desparate. Such a woman may be greatful to be saved but I look for equal respect and admiration with the one I have as my partner. I want someone that feels very natural with the life we lead.
I would hate to have a woman stay with me only out of necessity. That is not the relationship I seek.
So all in all I am much encouraged that things have improved in Russia. It means now that those that choose to marry a foreigner, do so more out of desire for a proper relationship and not just for a green card as some have in the past.
It would seem now if a woman chooses to marry a foreigner, it is because HE is the best choice ) That has to be good.
I am also glad that those that wish to remain there, can now look forward to a good life.
I have to agree 100% with what Aussieman stated. Take it from guys that have been there. These "hot, pretty, sexy" girls that join agencies nowadays from big cities for the most part want to play the lottery and try and find that rich, handsome husband they dreamed of -- period. I have never seen or heard a very pretty girl in a big city join an agency because she can't find a sincere local guy. It's the biggest lie there is -- if you hear it -- run.
Are FSU girls easier to get than Western girls? It all depends on your perspective. My take is that you don't have much luck in the bars, so this is my advice.
If you want a very pretty dream girl type -- go ahead and try for an FSU girl -- but steer clear of the big cities, unless your a millionaire. It will save you some heartbreak corresponding to a girl, only to realize she was toying with you in the hopes you were the rich guy she dreamed of marrying. Unfortunately, with some girls, insincerity is rampant. Economics have changed and its a girl's chance to land the rich guy. The only reason a girl will select a much older guy is his wallet -- period. Unfortunately a lot of rich guys still don't have luck because a girl has to find the guy somewhat attractive. :)
Also -- You can see girls who have been "professionally dating" for more than a year on certain sites. Is she looking for a sincere, nice guy? Each city has a hundred or more guys visiting it from the West. Drop the "love is blind" rose-colored glasses. A very picky girl is gonna be more headache than any guy's boundless love will be able to deal with -- unless there is so much chemistry that she falls head over heals by being with you. Just don't count on that with a marriage agency girl that has already been writing/meeting for more than a year and has already met many guys -- especially the sex tourist who preys on the more sincere pretty girls.
But I agree with the guys on here -- the girls from the smaller cities are for the most part a different sort. Their expectations are not as materialistic to a larger degree -- but there are always exceptions to this as well. Depends on the girl.
Easier? = yes, you can meet girls easier in the FSU if they belong to an agency. You just have to pay.
And here is a short list of what you will be paying whether you like it or not:
0) Cost of online correspondences
1) Cost of any online gifts (flowers, chocolates, etc).
2) Cost of plane ticket
3) Cost of hotel/apartment * days / weeks / months spent
4) Cost of any agency introduction fee ($15-30 per girl)
5) Cost of hourly translator $7-15/hr * number of hours you want to spend with your girl.
6) Cost of food * people (+ translator meals in most cases)
7) Cost of taxi
8) Cost of entertainment (park, bar, museum restaraunt, theatre, etc.) + tip
9) Cost of gifts purchased for girl
*** Repeat 4-9 if you decide girl is not for you and you start over again.
If you are lucky and proceed:
10) Cost of attorney (or cheaper if you do this yourself) for the Visa/Fiance paperwork
11) Cost of her flight (plus yours) to return to the states for that wonderful 90-day (or five year abstinence if you chose the wrong one and she does not like you or your life you promised her).
12) Cost of her lifestyle needs to keep her dream of you alive: $1000 = $1000000.
That's the reality -- still think FSU girls are easier? lol!
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More compatible? Who knows, its still a ton of work and just remember a girl is writing to other men as well. And like I said, if she's been online for more than a year and lives in the big cities where men go by the hundreds every week, chances are she has met a lot of men -- its a number's game.
There is no such thing as a true mail order bride who will just go for the first decent looking guy with a normal job. Well it could be if you dont mind what they look like. lol!
Too bad someone hasn't started a US/UK dating agency where girls personally go into a place and a guy pays money to meet the girl -- if she agrees for $50 or so. Most dating agencies in the states want you to pay out $1000-$10000 for that type of thing.
Btw -- Food for thought: My best luck was meeting non-agency girls I met on my own when I got fed up with the agency girls. Remember, there are many reasons a girl resorts to joining a marriage agency. Whatever anyone says, the stigma of joining any agency is there because they could not find a local man. The gold-diggers don't mind this at all, because there are not many rich available men to meet without using an agency. A smaller town where good local men have left to the bigger cities because there are no jobs, can be a gold-mine for a normal, (not rich) nice guy who is decent-looking and sincere.
I must remind myself that I will steer clear of Odessa, Kiev, Kharkov girls for now on. I don't speak Russian, so find a translator you like who can handle meeting non-agency girls when you go through all their agency girls with no luck.
A few years ago -- I originally thought that most of these FSU girls would be much more humble, appreciative and sincere than the dozens of materialistic, selfish western girls I had been meeting -- boy was I wrong! You just have to realize that you will be her only support -- she wont have a job and a place of her own like a Western girl. Dont forget it.
Trip #1 to ukraine/russia- $4300
Trip #2 to ukraine/russia- $3100
Trip #3 to ukraine - $3800
To find your soulmate.... Priceless
I still haven't met her, or maybe I did already and am in process of recognizing it. You can't put a price on finding the right girl. I may end up giving up eventually and trying something else. If nothing, I have met some nice girls and some 'shopper' girls but the fact is I went into this with the right frame of mind that I was going to enjoy myself when traveling and not put meeting girls as the difference whether trip was successful or not. I've learned quite a lot on each trip, slowly defining the process of what I want and finding the girl that wants the same. It is a needle in the hay stack but I'll tell you, and others that have been successful will tell you, to find your love, you can put no price tag or time wasted on it.
I have read many posts from guys complaining about what happened to them on trips, well you live and let learn. You make mistakes, especially in the beginning, but you have to have the big picture, it is like dating at home only you have travel costs involved. If you think spending thousands of dollars in the process is too much, this is not for you! This is only one man's opinion.
Totally agree, but the forum was whether it was easy to meet FSU girls over Western Girls and whether they were easier to get. I have to say "No" on all accounts - very loudly. You have to have a different reason than just wanting to meet a girl. Mine was I wanted a very humble girl who would give me a different outlook on life to see the Western world through her humble eyes. Boy - I got my lesson on just how "highly" materialistic these FSU cute girls really are - firsthand!
My costs were about $7-8k for my 8-day stay. But that's due to the apartment owner massively overcharging for a 2nd rate apartment with a cheap TV (all Ukrainian Channels - no CNN). :)
When it did not work out with my primary girl I flew to meet. I went to the agencies - just to meet someone who I would want to write when I got back home. When I did, it kind of cheapened my frame of mind to just go through a photo album of an agency and pick an attractive girl. Not very romantic, but hey, to each their own. :)
Btw, the same photos in the agency albums are the same ones they put on the Internet so its good to do your research if looks matter. :) And I don't know a single guy who says they don't - unless they like lying.
Just remember a cute girl - knows she's cute (in any country). :)
There are great successes, and horrible gut-wrenching "omfg" stories. Just based on statistics of my own opinion, be prepared to fall into the unsuccessful bunch (majority), but if you perservere you can achieve what you want, but you can do that here in the US as well.
Plus the majority of very pretty girls don't know any English. Some do, but they are very rare and in high-demand.
7-8k for Eight days, where are you coming from Alaska? I spent 8 days in Crimea at the Kichkine hotel right on the shore of the Black Sea and never dumped eight grand in any of my trips to Ukraine. What did you expect when you went to Ukraine, Satellite TV with all English speaking channels?
Beemer hit it correctly, I think with my 8 days in Crimea and spending time back in Mariupol I hit the 4 grand Mark. You guys who waste time in Odessa get what you deserve. Odessa is about the most criminal city in Ukraine with outrageous prices and outrageous women. You can find materialistic women in any country. And to blame the women of Ukraine of being such and mostly this, is ridiculous. If you go over there acting as a bunch of little Rockefellars, you will get burned. My average airfares ran from $650 to $1100 depending on the time of year I went. September to March you will get you best pricing I always flew from Chicago for less than a grand during these times. Summer I would spend over a grand.
Great success comes from understanding and knowing what you are looking for. Waste time with agencies you will get your pockets fleeced. Find a good and beautiful woman in Ukraine is not as difficult as some think. Though common sense helps mostly. Though Voltaire once observed common sense is not so common.
Yes it is easier to meet western girls as opposed to fsu girls but that is only because of language problems.
Some girls here on west coast, seem to think they are too good for most people. Would not even bat an eye and
certainly would not talk to you. Not all but the prettiest ones. Guess that is all countries but in Ukraine
it didn't seem as prevelent. Sure there were the beauties that acted like they were US chicks but the beauties I
did meet were down to earth. To dump $8-10 grand is absurd, sounds like you let everyone else arrange all your
plans. Control your costs by booking your own travel plans, everything except once you get there. Sounds like
you picked the prettiest girls and they turned out to be worst girl$...$hoppers. You made mistake of not having
a couple backup plans....girls you have been writing to, worst thing is to go to an agency, you could spend
$40-$120 to meet each girl and girl probably gets cut of that, so its dinner and thank you, bye. Did you ever
consider learning language....might help a little!!! Take Care!
nasfan6 and bem18. Will you ever undertsand the PLEASURE to spend ANY money YOU WANT???
Will you ever understand that THERE ARE WESTERN MAN ABLE TO SPENT 6000 AND MORE FOR 2 DAYS OF PLEASURE WITH LADY?
THEY ARE. AND THEY ALSO HERE IN UKRAINE. AND OUR BEST LADIES MEET THEM. AND SPEND TIME. HAVE SEX. HAVE EVERYTHING.
After that that girls wont even look at the one on whose forehead is written "I COUNT MY MONEY" or "I AM MISERABLE" or "I CAN GIVE YOU ONLY CHEAP PRESESNT" : )) ) )) )
Guys, you be ready. NICE LADIES ARE SMART. AND VERY EXPENCIVE, BCS THEY ARE ABLE TO TAKE AAALLLLLL THE MAN HAS> is it understandable?
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You are definitely are looking for cheaper stuff. Be happy. Be successful. Just don't blame that nice UA ladies don't fall in love with you on first meeting.... ad often pisss you off ) )) as I also did....
"Will you ever understand that THERE ARE WESTERN MAN ABLE TO SPENT 6000 AND MORE FOR 2 DAYS OF PLEASURE WITH LADY?"
Is that dollars or roubles? You can take in $10,000 cash into Ukraine and get out about $500 each day from an ATM so I find it a bit hard to beleive this one. Especially when a guy could get a girl like you for $50. Don't beleive everything someone tells you Monada.
I say about $. You may get girl "like" for 50$, for sure : )) ) )) ) Come and take.
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Why, you didn't like what I wrote????? If it's true? so what? You think everybody is like you??? ha.
Well. I relax now. I don't wanna again make crap discussion.
Note. I did wanted to say that there are western men not counting their bloody f*cking money : )) )
And they don't pay for girl to spend night with him. They Respect.
Presents is another thing.... to give a woman you like present is a pleasure for MAN.
Hope you wont say that any lady accepting gifts from man is a PRO****
Lol. I agree with Monada on this one. Yeah sure, I could have done the cheap $3-4k route and watched every dime or penny. No problem, but i'm not that cheap. lol :)
I guess I can add the new Armani suits I bought the week before I left. :)
If you ever try to stay in Moscow or SPB, be prepared to spend $250 at a rat motel (per night) and up.
As for why it was more expensive? I rented a 2-bedroom apartment, not a cheap 1-br with no AC and no living room. Although I did get gouged because my girl did not assist in the apartment location. I wanted to see the best places in odessa to visit, not McDonald's to eat. :)
If I ever go back? I will go to Odessa or Kiev for 2-days and then head out to a smaller city for the remainder. But I don't think in 1-week I can really get to know someone enough to try to ask them to marry. Those days are long gone. Most want a serious boyfriend, and any gentleman would try and support his girl if he were serious.
So I am also amazed at how cheap most of you are when it comes to supporting the women you intend to marry. I had great successes with the girls I met other then the primary one. I later found out she was normally cold-natured.
I have heard many stories on cheap American's who call girls a scammer everytime she recommends a restaraunt a girl always wanted to visit. So I guess a few are here.
I spent $8.5k for the 10 days- I dont need you cheapskates to believe it. And you dont have to hit the ATM if you use a credit card.