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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Why is everyone so negative towards Russia? Author Post EG Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/18/2007 11:31:00 PM   Yes, first post but long tine lurker. I'm British but I live in the US for the past 8 years (43, professional). I've been to Russia 3 times over the past 2 years and I must confess, I absolutely love the place. Once you get under the outwardly cold veneer of the people, they take you to their hearts and welcome you with open arms. I have made many very good friends in Russia and plan to return later this year. One of the best classical music concerts I have ever attended was in Tver, Russia.... and some of the Pushkin museums are outstanding. St. Petersburg is fabulous as is Moscow. The architecture in small towns like Tarjok is wonderful; the people are breathtakingly innocent and refreshing. Most of the posts on this Forum portray Russia and Russians in an extremely negative light. This has not been my personal experience. Yes, I've met many ladies over the years - the "career daters" the "habitual dinner dates" (the ones that go to dinner with any foreigner that comes to town, the dreamers, the time wasters, the liars and cheats.... but such people exists in every corner of our planet. I've lived on 3 continents and been to over 40 countries and I'm meet all kinds of people. No need to be so hateful of Russia. I'm still seeking long term love there, but with the same mindset as I seek long term love in the West. EG jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/19/2007 8:46:25 AM   Most of us also love Russian and Ukrainian (FSU) cluture. I certainly do. The architecture and museums and personalities of the people are not lost on us. You can be sure of that. We wouldn't be here if we were not attracted to women from that area. I hope you will forgive us for not always speaking in glowing terms when it comes to ur experiences, however. Some of them (the experiences) have not been exceedingly pleasant. This is a forum for discussion and it would grow very tiresome if all we did were to talk about the wonderful classical music and the museums of St. Petersburg. Discussing our personal experiences is NOT "hateful". Its honest, and informative to other people who might have the same troubles. EG Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/20/2007 7:34:35 AM   Jemba: All I meant is it would probably help newbies if there was a more balanced discussion - rather than "OMG, I was ripped off" and "All Russian/Ukrainian women are scam artists/gold diggers" As you said, there are positives and negatives. It would be a refreshing change if we focused on both sides of the equation, IMHO. EG aussieman41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/21/2007 6:18:37 AM   Good and bad girls exist everywhere, I agree but why have Russian and Ukrainian scammers become so prolific on the internet. It does seem scam from these areas of the world is subsiding being replaced by Nigerian and African scammers in the last 2 years. The culture itself ( Russian, Ukrainian etc. ) seems fascinating and the girls are beautiful but they are dressed up and made up and the cream of the picks by the internet marriage agencies..I wonder what the real country girls are like..young versions of babooshkas or peasants, the every day plain Janes! Every girl wears a mini skirt in the FSU summer it seems. I admit, I look at legs and tits too in profiles but remember a girl is much more than legs and tits! aussieman41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/21/2007 6:24:24 AM   Good and bad girls exist everywhere, I agree but why have Russian and Ukrainian scammers become so prolific on the internet. It does seem scam from these areas of the world is subsiding being replaced by Nigerian and African scammers in the last 2 years. The culture itself ( Russian, Ukrainian etc. ) seems fascinating and the girls are beautiful but they are dressed up and made up and the cream of the picks by the internet marriage agencies..I wonder what the real country girls are like..young versions of babooshkas or peasants, the every day plain Janes! Every girl wears a mini skirt in the FSU summer it seems. I admit, I look at legs and tits too in profiles but remember a girl is much more than legs and tits!... I will do a trip to this area of the world and parts of Europe in about 2 years when my hands are surgically repaired and sued the company for compensation, where I think the work injuries happenned and the report of the first sign of injury is still in my doctors file at my G.P. skiired Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/21/2007 4:42:27 PM   "Why is everyone so negative towards Russia?" - IMHO is becuz the Russian government is about as corrupt as they come, they care only about themselves engorge their stomachs and wallets on the blood and sweat of the population and no-one dares to stand up becuz you will disappear in an instant, or have been brainwashed and never seen the light of day outside their own country to know any different.. To Moscow! Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/21/2007 5:46:48 PM   I guess some guys thought picking a prospective wife from the FSU would be as easy as ordering a shirt from an LL Bean catalog. EG Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/24/2007 12:04:00 PM   Apal, I appreciate your comments. I've been searching in the FSU for more than 3 years, and like you, I thought I found the one, only to eventually discover that she had no intention of ever leaving Russia. Such is life. You live and learn. This could happen in any country. Corruption continues to be rife. You get stopped by the Police on the main highways and have to bribe them 50 roubles. It's accepted practice and everyone is indifferent. And that kid of casual corruption is everywhere. Back on topic, bottom line is Russia is a fascinating country with a culture unlike anything else I have experienced. It should be appreciated as a seperate entity from the scams, gold differs and time waster women, I think. EG alexferd Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/25/2007 9:24:13 AM   negative? i am not negative--i hate Russia and have very good reasons for that. apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/25/2007 4:36:38 PM   I'm not negative towards Ukraine, just a bit leery of those beautiful model-type Russian women in big major cities joining agencies in this day and age. I am pretty sure I will head to some small towns in Ukraine and do what I did in Colombia. I am glad I spent a long time there -- it is great to be able to take off for 1-2 months to really learn a place. Although this time I will study Russian beforehand. Hate translators... might also try not to use agencies to meet girls. Someone told me something that turned out to be absolutely correct in my first-hand experiences: Once a girl joins an agency, she's had a good chance of being spoiled regarding her expectations on what she can get out of the experience and from Western men visiting her. I say this because an agency girl's expectations rise exponentially with each guy she meets and turns down and she see's the gifts, the free meals, and the money guys give. A simple, modest, single girl with small expectations can more easily be found outside the agency. I am sure some of you guys who have been there and went off the beaten track might agree? Myself? I had tons better experiences not using agencies. And lots more fun. :) I am still waiting on experiencing mutual love at first sight. It's probably why I want to go. Regardless of me calling more than one of you guys in here dorks and flakes, I'd consider myself a rare gentleman. :) lol beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/25/2007 6:54:37 PM   No such thing as 'love at first', it is called 'attractive at first sight' or 'infatuation at first sight' or even 'want to clean your bones at first sight' Just my view ,also, love should be something that comes at the end of process, not the beginning. EG Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/25/2007 8:08:01 PM   Well said, Beemer. beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/25/2007 8:28:12 PM   EG Thanks! How far in process did you finally find out your girl was not going to leave? You had no indication that it would be that way, not even a small one???? Not to fathom that happening to me, knock on wood. aussieman41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/26/2007 12:06:08 AM   Some people here think, you should go and visit the FSU girl within 1 month of starting to write to her. You should write longer at least 3 to 6 months and on top of that verify her existence and speak to her on the telephone at least for 3 to 4 hours and get to know her and make sure she can speak English and understand you with no translators. You can only get to know a person by directly speaking to them and they can only get to know you the same way and no translators or intermediary bull shit because it does not work. Only in this way can both people learn about each other and the way they think and then comes the personal meeting afterwards and only then by spending time together can love have a chance to blossom. This is the way its done..not head on into this in a blind rush with no pre-preparation or sufficient contact..you can succeed if you follow the process of getting to know some one as there is no love at first site. I did this careful contact and getting to know each other before the personal visit using snail mail and the telephone to my first foreign wife ( in days before internet and even today, snail regular mail will still have to be used for FSU country girls as most can't afford home internet or afford to go to the internet cafe all the time ) and then we were sure there was a good cahnce we were right for each other and then we neet in person and spent time together and it worked out in one personal visit of 1 month together and we got engaged in her country and I bought her to Australia on a fiance visa and we had 12 years together. I don't know what some of you guys here are doing and constantly failing because you's are not doing the preparation before the meeting stuff properly ( allowing sufficient time to get to know each other and analyse each other to see if a personal meeting is worth it beforehand ) and just running blindly into this and doing "shot gun" trips to the FSU countries expecting to end up in a "shot gun" marriages which will not happen 99% of the time. These girls are intelligent and "don't love at first site" if you just blow into Russia out of the blue! Some of the stories here about you blokes and the stuff ups you do in your travels amazes me and you just bring it on yourselves being moronic about this. In any case you are going to need a good history of written and phone contact before your personal meeting along with sufficient time spent with her (at least 1 month ) to be able to get a successful fiance visa application through for US,UK,Australia or Canada as you need to provide sufficient proof a relationship has existed over time and that you have a genuine intent to marry her, otherwise you are throwing a lot of money away and immigration fees have gone up a lot in US etc. There are no shortcuts..I had the sufficient written proof and evidence before I applied for a fiance visa for my first foreign wife and I did all the paperwork my self and satisfied immigrations rules of evidence that a relationship exists with intent to marry and I had no trouble in getting the visa for her and they cut her paperwork in 11 weeks and she was out here 2 weeks latter ( all up it took 13 weeks from the time I left her after the personal visit to the time she arrived in Australia ) BECAUSE I DID IT RIGHT AND AUSTRALIA HAS THE WORLDS TOUGHEST REGIME TO GET A FIANCE VISA..ITS A NIGHTMARE HERE COMPARED TO SAY THE US. You must do this right..not rush into this like a mad bull smashing through a china shop because you won't succeed and waste a lot of your money in the process. EG Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/28/2007 8:01:05 AM   Aussieman: Damned straight and absolutely agree. beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/28/2007 9:01:03 PM   Aussieman, Curious as to how many times you visited any FSU countries?? I do know you have been to Asia. EG Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/30/2007 7:33:37 AM   Beemer: About 7 months into the relationahip and after my second visit. No prior indication whatsoever. But it's a her life and she was free to make whatever decision worked for her. Better to find out before paperwork than after. EG Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Why is everyone so negative towards Russia?
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