I received an email regarding Izi's post above. Sorry Globus it is not an honest or truthful post by any means. Especially since he took a shot a Jetmba for having sex with women half his age. You need to analyze Mr. Izi's post a little bit and look at the biased direction he's trying to point to.
First of all He knows more guys than one that has been successful. Unless he's ready to cast off, Skiired and Jetson as not being successful. Izi has met mostly forum members from the Florida area. We have traveled and met them also and others from Pennsylvania and North Carolina. Who cares like he said above how many times you've been to the FSU. It's the same as how many members you've met here. When he refers to only one that is successful I think the reason he does that is because he is the only one that will tolerate his idiocy. Also he is one of the most decent human beings I had the pleasure to meet in Naples.
It doesn't take 6 figures to do this, this is Izi's class envy at work. I don't make six figures, but I prepared myself in life to do this. My wife doesn't work now and she doesn't have too. It's being responsible in one's own matters and not living like a fraud. All the women in Izi's forum life, were either mental cases or had children from hell according to him. Nothing was wrong with him except living the life of a fraud. Then come here and expound on the merits of Thailand, which is nothing more than a giant whorehouse. Also with common sense you can travel to Ukraine for the same money as Thailand.
I have huge respect for Skiired and Jetmba, both had difficult first trys to the FSU. Though they didn't write in the forum and condemn the women as our author above does. They turned it around and made it work for them. My hat off to them for that. Now Ski is married to a super lady and looks like Jet is putting it together. Ben hit it correct above, if you keep making the same mistakes you get the same results. So when you have you're lists and critique women in such a way and place demands on them that you won't yourself adhere to, makes you a fraud.
Izi uses class envy and money to tell you that's the only way you can be successful. I'm not a six figure guy, but I'm responsible with my money and use common sense when I do things, at least most of the time. Izi you need to look at the mirror a little bit about yourself. You're an absolute fraud and you know it. You want something for nothing, with no responsibility. Yes it's very poor odds if you are anal retentive and a fraud.
I'm wondering what your other pursuits are? Which I really could care less, because I know what a vacant person you are. Keep going to Thailand and living the vacant existence and bragging about all the whores you bang.
I met the most incredible lady in Mariupol. We had common life issues which we both agreed we liked how we handled them. I took my time with bringing her here. I wanted her to make sure this is what she wanted to do. I didn't jump on the first plane to Ukraine because some pretty face wrote me a letter. I got lucky, but I've always said the luckiest people prepare ahead of time. So what dollar amount do you place on finding the perfect woman? I don't think there is one. You dicker prices with prostitutes, not with your perfect woman.
Izi quit being a fraud and writing your bullshit here. Tell everyone the truth about yourself personally. Open up. You tried to be like Toad and what did that get you? Bouncing around the Barrios of PI and Thailand? Yep that's the life. Toad was a a bit of a fraud himself, hammering American women, then go back running to one. Pretty funny I think. Sorry Izi that I've been Married 18 months to the most incredible woman in the world. Then again I didn't have my lists and place demands on her that I would not myself adhere too. I put her first in my life, the way it should be, since she made the biggest sacrifice to come here and be my wife. The problem with you Steve is you always put yourself first in life. You can't be first in someones life until you willing to be second in it. Actually Steve (Izi) of the group of men you refer too, you are probably the only one that didn't succeed in any way. That sparks jealousy in your part.
I think your other pursuits should be posting in bathrooms of some bordello in Thailand. It would have more creedence there.
No this is not a slam dunk as some like to think it is. Though if you prepare and work hard you can find an incredible lady, whose culture does nuture to the family. I've never experienced what I do now. I was a source of income before to other women. Now I am everything to one woman. An absolute incredible feeling that I never experienced before in my life. How much is that worth in dollars Stevie? As the commercial says Priceless!!!
I dont think you could had said it any better than that Travellerva, you hit the nail on the head like Socrat said < talk to me and I tell you who are you>, you get back what you give out nothing less.
I envy you Nasfan if you we're able to make this work for you. I'm really glad that there is man like you who was able to find a great lady to marry. I really am, don't get me wrong. But I can only speak of my experience with this whole thing and it has been all bad. Maybe that's why someone who speaks negatively about this whole FSU marriage thing (like Izi) I can relate to what they say. When you devote 4 years of your life to it and spend countless amounts of money and meet numerous women who all "say" they are looking for a real relationship and all you end doing is meeting crazy, unserious, lieing, gold diggers you start to get a bit disheartened with the whole thing.
But you are right that in a lot of ways I have myself to blame for meeting girls that I shouldn't have. Some girls can really fool you of course and you have no idea they we're going to turn out so rotten but some girls do small things before you meet to tip you off that they are not so good. Those are the women that I'd wished I had just listened to my gut and my instints and not met. Hopefully if I ever decide to meet another girl (at this point I'm sure if I'm going to continue with this but probably will end up doing so) I will be smarter about it and won't keep making the same mistakes. Then if I ever did meet a great lady who wanted to marry me I could be like you and see this all in a new positive light.
Again I'm glad you met a great lady because it does give me some hope that I could find "her" too.
You have a great attitude and yes it's a difficult journey sometimes. I really agree with you on the instincts issue. I had corresponded with many women, I think in total around 80. For one reason or another most of them fizzled. I was going to be patient. Yes you need to make a commitment to go over there, but I don't agree with getting in a big hurry. I think patience works for both. One reason, the patient and real one's won't ask you to jump on the next plane out of town, and also they are very pragmatic with leaving the country they have lived all their lives. As we would if the shoe was on the other foot.
If I would have failed, and I made a committment to myself that this was going to be a one woman, one journey affair. If it hit the wall on the first try, then I would do something else. That made me patient. I think I was lucky, but also I took my time and found the lady that shared the same life goals and past experiences and we understood how each other reacted in these situations. It was a 2 year journey and worth everyday of it. After the first visit I returned to spend more time with her and again and again. When she made up her mind that I was worth giving up everything she knew if life for love, it was incredible. I know I'm the luckiest guy in the world. Though if I would have failed, I wouldn't blame anyone but myself. There are scams and ripoffs everywhere, and to portray that Thailand is above the corruption of Ukraine or Russia is just a damned lie! Or any other country for that matter. If you're looking just to get laid, then Thailands the place, or any other place that is willing to prosititute oneself for the buck. I think why a lot of Americans go there because it's cheaper than the Mustang Ranch in Vegas.
Godspeed my friend I hope the next one is yours!!!
Nasfan -- thanks for your posts. You got lucky. I see you chose a smaller town in Ukraine. To me personally I think that had a lot to do with your success. A girl surrounded by more modest girls her whole life is not going to be dreaming of a rich guy as much as a girl associated with others who daily dream of marrying a rich prince. So on this one point, you are in the very rare quantity that did (and still) experienced any success.
tjh -- I feel for you. I almost got into the same type of money for love relationship. To lots of these agency girls -- marrying a western man is like inheriting a new bank account. Nothing more, nothing less. I met one who lied, manipulated and coerced me to believe she would be the sweetest and most modest girl I could ever hope to meet. I was far from happy to realize she was just like the one you had met, fortunately I did not see her after 4 days of being with her.
Others -- I mentioned earlier that if I did plan another visit to the FSU that I would steer clear of the larger cities. Times have changed and many of the pretty girls have no problem meeting young men every day. They do date local men while they are in the agency. On a personal note, I met a girl in Latin America who had recently joined an agency and still seeing her boyfriend (common law husband) of 4 years! She just wanted to give the agencies a try when her relationship began to sour a little. How would you like to have a jealous Colombian man try and track you down for being with his young wife? lol!
But getting back to the point, me and many others on this site have met the FSU gold diggers that lurk in the agencies on the chance to win the lottery with their sex. The one girl I wrote and met, lied about every word in her profile and finally admitted that every letter she wrote every week for 6 months were false and insincere. She was not my dream girl -- she was a nightmare by any guy's standards. She was hot, very sweet and extremely interested when I first met her, and after a few days, the moment I told her I was not a millionaire -- she turned cold and began acting much more like her real, selfish, spoiled self. She did not care i made more than 100k/yr. She wanted "very rich" (porsches, french villa, mansions, world trips, etc.)
From my own experiences, "Love for money" is the new agency standard of the pretty girls of the FSU from what I learned from my own experiences, from what the agency employees related to me personally, and of course from what I have read from others (especially on this forum). Monada will affirm all this with relish.
My advice -- if you do go and don't have that sort of bankroll? Stick to the small towns where men have had to leave to find work in the big cities. These are the lonely girls who dream to meet a nice, devoted guy like Nasfan and money is not so important as having a real family. There are good women in the FSU, just be prepared that your girl you are writing is not the girl of your dreams.
If you're very good-looking, then of course that helps a lot (anywhere in the world) it is almost as good as being very rich, but very-good, gold-digger types simply want money, because they can meet good-looking local men. Btw, a lot of these women rarely look like their photos -- it's the #1 disappointment I have heard these same agency people say about disappointing meetings. Expectations and dreams can change in time, but first impressions last a lifetime.
To me, the first meetings I had for the most part always seemed to go great, but I wanted someone who took my breath away and wasn't a gold-digger, who shared the same personal dreams. I feel very bad when I have to tell a girl I don't feel chemistry. I do not do this to fill some lack of ego in my life. I look because I thought I had an actual soul-mate somewhere. It is why I looked abroad and I might still do it again. I don't need 4-6 trips to try and build up my ego. I can date young women here in the US. I went abroad because I just wanted something different since I do not like American culture as much. It's just too shallow and superficial to me -- so why would I want a gold-digger with the same corrupt life values I see in most pretty girls in the US?
All and all, the main reason I write this letter on this forum is that I wished someone had been honest to me about the East/West scene, and had helped me save time and trouble (and big disappointments) on the realities one might run into. For the last few years, all I could find was all these poor guys writing about scammers and I looked for all these red flags.
Now this year its about how many gold-diggers and vicious and corrupt FSU women guys are running into.
I also just wanted to relate my experiences to help out a guy with another guy's point of view of "look out for this" own life experiences. If you are just going for your ego (like some of these guys) -- you got your own life issues to work out. I write to the guy who doesnt need one more heartbreak in his life. Like I said, I attribute someone's upbringing to this situation. I do not think all FSU women are after green cards, money and cash... yet a suprising amount sure are... and no letter they write might ever tell you otherwise.
Sorry dude but go trumpet your hogwash somewhere else. If you got the right personality with a little luck sprinkled in you can find one in the big city. Why is it then my wife is from a big city? I know at least 5 of my wifes friends looking for a good guy and they dont care if hes foreign. And yes, they are very attractive women. Their good women just as mine is. How do I know? In the 6 months time I lived there I got to become friends with them. If your not an ass and so dam gold digger happy, you will strike gold in the big city - and no not the digger kind..
Yes, Mike is right. I was screwed over pretty good. but like he says I didnt come here crying the blues. And if I didnt end up where I am now I still wouldnt come here crowing the garbage I read. If your not successful, yeah that sucks. But dont post here like some higher power trying to talk other guys out of this. There are successes and failures just like every other aspect of life. And just because one guy cant make it happen doesnt mean the next guy wont.
Ivor you dont know what your talking about, let alone make any sense. Did you learn English as a second language?
Regardless, you can't speak for everyone or anyone. I just related what translators directly told me. You just assume everyone is naive on all sides. It is obvious it is YOU who is the naive person.
I dont think a guy on here think its a cake walk. I never read a single post in all my years on how easy it would be. I think your speaking about your own thoughts. So its obvious that this is how what you thought all along. Yours is one of the least insightful posts I have ever read. lol!
Skiired I am sure that we have different opinion on 'attractive' girls you know. I am a lot more picky on looks than most of you I am sure. You see, I'm the rare good-looking guy and I go for the model-types. I can have 'attractive' local girls if I wanted.
So this is what I am talking about, most of the girls on this site aren't that 'attractive' to me. If you had read my previous posts on different topics you would probably have gathered that.
These 'highly attractive' girls are what I am referring to. I have yet to meet one that did not want 'a very rich' man yet. These are girls that get guys attention when the walk down the street in their own country.
In Colombia you have to really be careful, because most of these girls are hookers on the side - and no that's not my opinion either, it was personal meetings and most of the agency staff telling me these things. Is it just me or does no one bother asking agency staff about these women? Believe it or not, there are more Monada types than humble, poor dream girls that you guys think you will find...
Oh, I'm picky believe me. You havent seen my wife. Ive had women call me shallow many times because I turned down them down. Ive had many attractive locals too, I just got sick of the bs and decided to look abroad. But I'm not the type to trumpet how good looking I am on an internet forum. I know no one cares. But I will say I just turned 40, never dated a woman over 30 in my life, have yet to see a gray hair on myself, stay in shape at the gym religiously, still run 3 to 5 miles every other day and wear my lady out every time we have sex who is 15 years my junior. Now I'm laughing at myself even typing this and I know many readers are at reading it. But Apal, your not the only attractive guy in the world-believe that fact. Also I read your reply to lyudmillas post in the other thread, lol. With such a big dick you should be writing how successful you are am I right? Oh, and your not the only one that was lucky enough to be well endowed my friend =). Personally I'm not interested in latin women at all. You can have em all. IMHO, Russian women are the most beautiful female creatures that walk this planet hands down. But I still wish you luck to find what your looking for, because theres no better feeling that having the happiness that I have, Nas has and Gladiator has and others that I know of. Its intoxicating to know you are with the woman you want to spend the rest of your life with, and know she feels the same. Never thought I would know that feeling. Ok now everyone can make fun of me, Ill be back sometime in the future to laugh with you all at the replys
And Martin you can at least find an original name to go by, your not fooling anyone
NasFan: Thank you for your nice comments, I really do appreciate them. :-) Good luck and the best to you and your lady.
Apal: I understand where you are coming from in trying to find a Russian/Ukrainian lady to take your breath away, who is just drop dead gorgeous. But I hate to say that you are setting yourself up for a fall looking for the "perfect" looking lady. Believe me I know, because I have been guilty of this myself. When I was with this girl I have spoke of before and we would walk down the street together every man would stare at her and I mean EVERY man. Do you know how hard it would be to hold onto a woman like that and to keep her happy? especially since she is used to every man just bowing before her beauty and doing anything to win her attention, pretty damn hard. I did not have the money for her and truthfully even if I did I'm not sure I would have wanted to be with a woman who was such high maintenence and who was used to men spoiling her all of the time. You are right though that even if you are really good looking it's not enough for a gold digger. My former lady loved to kiss me and hold hands with me and she would always tell me how beautiful she thought I was (I'm not pulling my own chain here, these we're her words not mine) and thought I was a very good man to her. I'm also young in my mid 30's but don't look any older than 27 or 28. But this was not enough for her even. If I try to meet another lady from there again I am going to try to be a little more realistic with my expectations and not just go for the model type. Truthfully I would rather take a girl who was nice and geniune but still a nice looking girl over some spoiled unkind drop dead gorgeous model type anyways.
I also don't buy it when I hear that only bad gold digger types live in the big cities because it's just not true, you can find them in the smaller cities too (believe me I know) I met some really nice ladies that we're not out for money when I visited Kiev. Of course these are women who we're not looking for foreign men to be with just everyday girls I met while I was there. I also met a woman who lived in Kiev that I wrote letters too (it did not work out) but she never seemed to be out for money to me, she just wanted to meet a man.
Oh you are very right though about women not looking like their pictures in person. Beware of the digitally enhanced, air brushed photos with women caked in make up. I met one woman who's nose was about twice as big as it was in her picture! I'm not kidding. Her pics we're airbrushed so much. She was still an attractive girl but she didn't look like her agency photos at all. I suggest sending them a gift and getting a picture taken along with it to see what they really look like in everyday life.
Guys: I've been too busy with life (and my Ukrainian lady) to have actively been participating in this forum. But today I happen to read some of this post.
Thanks nasfan, for the nice comments. Your opinion counts a lot in my book.
Izzi - I'm doing just fine, thank you. My last lady left a bit to be desired, but I don't condemn her. She was exactly what I was looking for when I found her. Just turns out - it wasn't quite what I really wanted (I have since decided). I had great times with her. Priceless memories.
And I'm as happy as a clam now, that I have a chance to spend some serious time with my new lady.
It should be obvious that the naysayers are simply looking for someone else, or someTHING else to blame. They saw the FSU as a candy store, tried to eat ten pounds of chocolate, and got a bellyache. And now they blame everyone else. Seems to be a pattern of life for some people.
Go wallow in self-pity if you choose. I'm going to go on having a great and meaningful relationship with a woman who is, yes, half my age.
Globus - I agree with everything you wrote. You went into more detail about the situation than I had -- but had very similiar experiences too.
I am very sure now that I am culturally more attracted to Eastern European women than any other culture - and that would require a completely different forum topic.
Sometimes I forget that emotions run high in this forum of ego's and turmoil (when relationships go bad). So I usually leave out details and guys here assume the worst first and fire off a shot. :)
You are right about very pretty gold-diggers being in every city and in any country in the world. I just read a few new profiles on other sites (AW) of girls recently. I was amazed to see how blatant some of the young pretty girls are getting nowadays about their men needing to be successful and wealthy.
I had a couple of dates with young models in Colombia where men just blatantly stare down my dates. Mind you - cosmetic surgery enhancements are the norm there. And most extremely attractive women anywhere in the world, have no problem getting local men's attention, so when these types of women do chose to join an agency -- one just has to put common sense in and ask yourself "Why is a girl like that -- wanting to leave her friends and family and everything she knows to go somewhere she might not speak the language for a guy she barely knows? ..."
You made me laugh when you state 'I am culturally more attracted to Eastern European women than any other culture'.
Your main focus is the most beautiful girl you can find in FSU...where is the culture in that??
Most of what comes from you is 'looks', 'bucks' and 'endowed', I don't think you know much about culture. Stop
and try to get to know more about a country than just the girls. Yes I have run into gold-diggers but it seems you
have had more than your share. Could this equation be true....most beautiful girl + apal= gold-digger???
Guys Guys, you seem to spend a lot of time squabbling on this forum, some want to brag about their good fortune and some of you seem to brag about how bad a deal you got.
I am new to all of this and I have to say I have spent a few hours now reading all of your postings and my mind is about blown away, I just don't know if this is a good idea any more.
I have recently come out of a 10 year relationship with a girl 20 years younger than I (all but 3 months) and the split was not age related, well I don't think so, so age gap is not an issue to me. I am Brit and so was she.
My best friend met and married a Russian girl 7 years ago and I have to say they are sickeningly happy, she is 15 years younger than him. And through them I know of numerous successful (at least so far) Brit / Russian or Ukraine relationships, which is why I am going down this route.
Some of you are quoting relationships with these girls that have gone bad after you've shipped them over, is that before or after you marry, if after have they cleaned you out in the divorce??. I have worked very hard to get what little I've got, and would not want to loose it.
I know this can work, or could, do you think that the system has been around too long and is now full of people looking to abuse the system. 7 years when my friend did it, it was relatively new and therefore hadn't been affected so much by the scammers etc.
I have an eye for the younger 10 - 15 years) and feel that I have better 'odds' abroad but I don't want to be made a fool of??
I am genuine guy, genuinely looking for 'love' and feel that my desire will leave me open to scammers.
I am writing viua anastasia to several lovely girls who appear genuine, any suggestions as to how I might weed out the good from the bad??
On anastasia it is a crapshoot. Pay per letter is a good way to get scammed. How do know if you are getting
scammed??? You don't until you spend lots of $$$$. Like I told you on another post, I have only written to 1
girl in pay per letter, I don't like site and its worse on girls own agency site, I think it is $50 a month
for unlimited e-mails. Since I open only couple letters a week it costs me $5.75 per letter.
Only true way to weed out girls is a visit. Then you know for sure!
It is not squabbling, you make your point and move on. Some people don't like what they read...too bad, I just
hope it is not taken personally.