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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Some questions from a newbie Author Post djavu? Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/6/2007 2:35:01 AM   Hello, I am quite a newbie to the site so I have got some question that I am really curious about. First, I came to recognize that there are quite more postings from Nikolaev, Odessa than anywhere else in Ukraine; quite a few from Sumy, Gorlovka and almost none from Kiev and such... Its not something that i complain about but what could be the reason for it? Second, sometimes I receive replies from some ladies after two or three days i receive a "message received" ticket from them even though a few of them tell me that I am the only one to who they are writing to. I try my best to be an optimist trying to think it may be because it takes some time for them to make up their minds and drop me a line or am I getting fooled? Thanks, apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/9/2007 2:25:16 AM   I'm not an expert but usually a website organizes agencies that already exist in Ukraine. Certain agencies hold control over certain geographical areas more than others... Secondly, some of these systems allow the local agencies to collect the letters for the girls, and then there is the delay of translating their letters back to you. I'd usually trust the fact that the less-than-hot-hot-hot girl isn't getting that many letters. The fresh new gorgeous girl usually gets the most. The hot ones who are on the bottom and way at the end of the search engines are either serious professional daters and gold-diggers that fortunately don't get as much attention as they once did. Steer clear of those... nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/9/2007 6:32:00 AM   First of all if you think they are writing only to you, that's your first mistake. A couple of years back Fiance.com had some trouble with Agencys in Kiev and dropped most of them due to fraudulent behavior. Taking a few days to reply, sometimes this happens, they all aren't standing at the agencys waiting for our letters. They have lives they have to continue with. Some have their letters read to them by phone and wait to reply, others go to the agency and pick up their letters and replay. The turn around is a couple of days, if it is immediate in the reply I would be a little suspicious. djavu? Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/9/2007 5:39:39 PM   Thanks for the replies, they have been very much explanatory. Agencies and all their relationships with their members and stuff is quite confusing and I have just given up to understand the correlation in between. I mean the agencies collecting letters from the girls, then forward them to the main agency and such... What kind of a sophisticated system just to make some more revenue out of people who are just trying to keep in touch and maybe more! But business is business and i'd definately say the same... Anyway, I came to recognize a couple few things during the time I was waiting for all your replies. Actually nasfan6 has already mentioned about it. Some girls, either when they are not available to hit the agency or they are far away from their cities, they just have their letters typed for them. Its quite weird and even insane to take away your hands of the wheel and have your letters typed for you through someone whom you probably dont even know or whom you dont really count on at an agency in order to send a letter. So it may be all up to the agency's initiative to give some direction to relationships! I have been a member of fiance.com for some time and I am quite pleased with their quality of their service compared to those other sites but I have been asking myself many times if i am really wasting my money other than my time which is more valuable for me. I also came to recognize that some few girls write with same punctuations, same grammer mistakes and say if one writes in capitals then the same day the other one writes also with capitals (they are all from different cities). So could they be dictating their letters to the same man on the phone! Sounds really weird... And how could someone (i mean us) be really comfortable when he goes to sleep without even getting suspicios of every little word in those replies, trying to figure out hidden meanings in some sentences and such... Sounds like a quite bitter path to follow. My last words for this reply is about phone calls and SMS. Some ladies insist on ignoring to give their personal contacts by saying they either speak too bad English (which I believe is a huge lie since they write well enough to express themselves) or its quite expensive to call someone outside Ukraine even if I quite insist on being me as the first person to make the opening call. Well, its also quite expensive to call Ukraine from where I live also but come on, we shouldnt fool ourselves; first, just a few SMS would not upset anybody both for the man and the lady and I wouldnt really upset sb I'm really interested in even if it'll just for a conciliation or am i getting way too much sensitive or those ladies are just one of those scammers hanging around. djavu? Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/10/2007 2:11:08 AM   It is their playground and we play by their rules however, i am very much sure that there are great ladies out there, somewhere in FSU. You just need to be lucky and wise enough to meet them but without making the initial contact and without even spending some time together it is almost impossible to come to a conclusion. Second, I somehow agree with the fact that most ladies, I mean almost 70% write to all men even if its a very few lines. At least they keep the dialogue open for you to enter into some of a conversation. So if somebody tells you that you are the only one she is writing to, then she must very valid grounds for this. Beware! It may also depend on the sincerity of your conversation and maybe on your instincts. However, we may easily figure out how many times a lady receives letter from all other men so when they say you are the only one i am writing to I'd definately doubt about it. Then, its about photographs. Photos on most profiles are not usually enough to figure out who you are writing to. They are either too small or taken at some studio and then air brushed with photoshop. I usually ask for some moroe casual photos. Some come out with some excuses like they all have their photos printed and they may send in the future when they have the necessary euqipment. Dont they have one of those cheap scanners at those agencies that these ladies can scan and send their photos? Sounds to me like another rotten excuse. Thanks, PaulSouth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/12/2007 5:48:08 PM   I have been writing to a few girls, all on Anastasia. Two said that pictures would come later........ okay, but why later, and they have stil not arrived a couple of weeks later, One sent me a picture of her receiving flowers at the agency (I didn't send them), perhaps a file photo, two sent me pictures that were so different from their profile pictures they just had to be genuine, and the shallow part of me shuddered!! One girl wrote to me the day after her previous letter demanding to know were I was and why hadn't I responded yet. I thought it funny and replied after a couple of days as normal, she has yet to reply a week later. Whats that about?? The best one .......... I had been writing to this girl and she responded daily, I thought that she was keen and being attentive. She even took time out on her birthday to write to me,I was flattered. The time had come for a meeting so I wrote declaring my plan to visit a week later, why wait?? The Anastasia web site gives feed back on times letters are sent and read. I wrote at 2330 Uk time last Thursday, the letter was read 11 minutes later - very keen!! But Ukraine is 2 - 3 hours ahead. Did the agency really get out of bed, open up, get her down there all in 11 minutes. I Believe !!! Oh and although we had been writing daily, I have yet to get a reply to that letter ........... whats that smell??? beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/12/2007 7:24:34 PM   Paul, You must have got all the winners on Anastasia!!!! If you read many previous threads or posts about Anastasia, you will find many guys having problems. If something doesn't seem right it probably isn't. I have asked girls in past about pics and after some time I didn't bother asking again. The ones I do get plenty of pics from are the shoppers, not so much golddiggers but expect to be taken care of. You must be putting to much emphasis on pics, if I want a pic of girl I send flowers, not fail proof but one of many means to get better read of girl. I would never write to a girl that answers every day, that is not normal, what, she has no other life? Doesn't work? More than likely is writing to plenty of other guys. Best way to know for sure is content of letters and meeting??? Do you ask about meeting or just announce you were planning on visiting? You got to give girl a chance a arrange her meeting so that they don't overlap!!!! That was humor!!! Wonder how much truth there is in that. PaulSouth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/13/2007 10:17:00 AM   Beemer - That was the point, I went for the meeting to find out if she was real. I announced my 'plan' to visit, waiting for her confirmation before booking to see if she could get time. I was only planning a long weekend. Its easy from UK. I have been sent pics by girls, of them receiving flowers, from someone else, which makes me believe they have file photo's of them receiving flowers ............ what can you believe, I thought my own eyes in the flesh when we meet and what do you know she vanishes. At least she / he did the decent thing and didn't get me over there before not turning up!! Content of letters was good, personal, not intimate but definitely written to me, if you know what I mean. I have read a lot about scammers on this forum, but honestly didn't think they'd catch me!! How many men have said that I wonder ??!! beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/13/2007 7:59:43 PM   Paul, I think the site is biggest problem for you. I don't like pay per letter sites. What I usually do is tell girls that I have a vacation coming up soon and ask if they would like to meet. Since I write to many girls, I try to pick ones I feel are most special to me and find out if they have some free time also. I try to get a 2-3 week span and find out who can and interested in meeting. I do announce to others I may be in Europe during that time. Do not get too specific, out right lieing is the worst, kind of lightly get a feeling as to who is interested. Many times I have had to rely on last minute meetings. There has been many posts here about pay per letter, nearly all negative. SirDaniel Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/13/2007 8:19:24 PM   My dear fellow British comrade Paul, Very similar thing just happened to me. Nearly three months of great letter writing between three different girls and me, almost daily. Got to Ukraine, only one showed up, with her “uncle”, never heard from her again afterwards. The other two were not answering their phones to me. All, PAY-PER-BLUDDY-LETTER. I learned whilst over there (just two weeks ago by the way) women throughout Ukraine, not all, but many, get around a dollar from the local agencies each time they write/respond to us Western suckers, that’s why they’ll happily write to us everyday I was told, it helps towards their costs of supporting their unemployed boyfriends/husbands. NEVER again will I pay-per-letter, and I advise you not to either. Fancy sharing a drive over to Ukraine, or maybe the coach, before Christmas? SD. Batman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/13/2007 9:08:19 PM   djavu? wrote: "Some ladies insist on ignoring to give their personal contacts by saying they either speak too bad English (which I believe is a huge lie since they write well enough to express themselves" I'm not saying you're wrong but speaking from personal experience I've had some language training from high school to professional. I've found that I could read a foreign language much better than any other aspect. I found I had the time to sound out/reason out the words. Next came listening; while I might miss a word or two the general gist of the conversation was know to me. Writing was the next on the difficulty scale; I had time to think but there was always some word that just did't spring into my head. Speaking was always the worst! Lots of time pressure and stammering. Again I found it odd that someone would assume I'm stupid because my Japanese was so poor. (Pun intended, it was just too foreign to grasp! Three "alphabits", particle markers, 500 base kanji characters just to start.) To me French had a lot of English over lap plus my mind in high school was more sponge like. dj, you may be right. However, some gals may find it intimidating to talk. apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/14/2007 3:01:33 AM   I only met one girl I met in person who wouldn't give me her phone # because she wouldn't be able to talk to me. I was kind of slighly perturbed by her refusal, but wtf is what I said. Yet there were a dozen other agency girls and those prettier girls who werent in agencies who I met. Each made sure I got their cell phone even though they couldn't speak English. Some went so far as to dial my # in their phone so I would make sure to have it... and vice versa... apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/14/2007 3:09:55 AM   Honestly? The quality of letters I get for non-pay-per-letter are very mundane, short and typically insincere versus the quality I get for the paid-letter sites. I have a complete disdain for Hotrussianbrides.com aka Russianlovematch for this very reason. Huge volume of letters from girls everyday - we are talking 30 to sometimes 75 letters each and every single day for months - I kid you not! Each letter was simplistic and very much the same as the last girl's letter... it was so hard to take any girl seriously on it that I just dropped off completely. I had to take down my pics and bump my age to 78 to quiet the noise of unwanted letters and stupid pop-up requests to join video chat with some desperate beauty-challenge girl... I haven't tried Fiance.com yet, I might if they get more higher quality girls. I'd probably write some of the girls I met in FSU who recently joined the site just to say Hi. Who knows... PaulSouth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/16/2007 3:56:51 PM   SD -Yep I'm up for that, when were you thinking of?? I am alledgedly jetting over to Kiev next Friday 24th to meet a girl I've been writing to. So far she has offered to come to Kiev and meet me, not asked for money, not suggested hotel, not offered a translator, in fact not asked for anything. She just wanted to know when I was coming because she needs to arrange things her end, time off work etc, and she is going to "make every effort to meet me" Everything sounds good, so why do I worry that I'm going to be scammed, milked or mugged??? SD- I will send you private message about trip Paul djavu? Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/16/2007 4:09:18 PM   Hello, Batman; thanks for the explanation, i understand what you mean. I dont know maybe I am beeing way too sensitive or I may be putting too much emphasis on this talking on the phone business. Though I am not a native English speaker but I d never care or make fun of somebody making mistakes while speaking English because more or less everybody make mistakes, thats normal. However, there is one thing that confuses my mind. I met one of the ladies that strictly insisted about not giving away her phone number just because she is currently attached to an agency. I have previously exchanged contact information through fiance.com and no lady ever complained about it. So I was actually quite surprized to witness such a reaction from her. I know that fiance.com does not edit content of letters just because they think its at users own risk to exchange personal information. Her reason for not giving me her number did not seem to very much reasonable to me so I now think whether something is cooking at that agency, i dont know. Do these guys at the agency just sit right next to the ladies and check whether they are sending out personal data or not?! Sounds weird and seems to me like some kind of another huge lie... And about sending flowers to the ladies to check what she really looks like. I dont know, thats just not my way of handling such a situation. There should be something more reasonable and cheap. Thanks, djavu? Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/16/2007 4:21:08 PM   PaulSouth; This is why I usually think this way of trying to find someone is a very much bitter path to follow. Sounds like somebody always has to deal with and make his mind busy with some possible weird conspricy theories that may be cooking miles away. But it seems like we are all on the same boat heading the same direction. Cheers, Adman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/16/2007 7:02:58 PM   djavu Yhe agencies vet every letter the girls send,even those that can write perfect english. They will often take out phone numbers and personal information even though they are not supposed to. If a girl gives you her email address you can then contact her directly. This means a loss of business for the agency. It is a conflict of interest for the agency to help you in any way, to have a proper relationship with one of their girls. apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/16/2007 10:51:11 PM   Pretty girls who do not speak English are a gold-mine for all agencies. It is correct that a girl will feel more obligated to the agency, especially if she is friends with a translator. This means a new agency girl is very reluctant to give you personal phone # if you do not speak english. I am sure the agency recommends them not to do this, so they create a dependence upon using them if you wish to continue seeing the girl. It was the only way an agency could make money from me once I appeared anyways. $10.00/hr plus travel expenses + food. It adds up. apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/16/2007 10:51:44 PM   I meant a girl will try not to give you her cell # if you do not speak russian. :) Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Some questions from a newbie
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