Send Flowers to Russia, Ukraine and Worldwide with Cyber-Florist.com Fiance.com: Beautiful Russian brides
Home  |  About  |  Forum  |  User Blogs  |  Login  |  Register

	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Lets cut to the chase. Author Post moes seven Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/29/2007 3:02:11 AM   Ok I am no literary genius so no complaints about the spelling, please, or grammer, I have been on this site for over two years now, I have made many mistakes, the truth is I am an older guy, who wants a young pretty wife. Is that a crime? I am not a rich man I have work bloody hard for my money. I want to offer a nice life to someone, who wants to escape from the misery of life in the Ukraine, I went there the housing, accomodation, transport, roads, it's all poor. So why is it all so difficult? Right now I am writing to three young ladies,in Nikolaev, but I just realised I was writing to the translator, who argued with me, when I questioned thier charges, eg 10 dollars an hour for translator over five hours pay for the whole day 100 dollars, this made no sense to me. I accept that they need to make profit its fine, but when an average salary is 200 dollars a month, make it more appealing to come. We can all go to Thialand, spend pennies have the time of our lives, why so difficult? jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/29/2007 3:20:02 AM   "I want to offer a nice life to someone, who wants to escape from the misery of life in the Ukraine, "????????????????????????? Excuse me, but there is a LOT LESS MISERY in Ukraine than you seem to think that there is. The housing, accomodations and roads might not be all that compared to western standards - but I don't know of ANYBODY who would describe their lives as miserable just because they don't have brand spanking new perfect streets. Most Ukrainians have terrific interpersonal relationships with friends and family that make their lives ANYTHING but miserable. "Savior complex" is a common mistake that western men seem to have when they go over there. Its right up there with thinking all the young and beautiful women will fall all over themselves to be with any western man. THEY WON'T. It IS possible to be with a terrific Eastern European woman much younger than yourself. Its not a crime. I just turned 50 and in the last five years I have had two very close relationships with women who were both 23 years younger than I am. But you HAVE to be able to offer them something more than nice roads. These are WOMEN for Pete's sake, not pets. They need more than pleasant cages. If they are giving up something in the age category then you have to appeal to them in other categories. You have to WOO them, just like any other women. And the opportunity to just live in a place with nice roads isn't going to cut it. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/29/2007 3:32:58 AM   Regarding the fees for translators. Well first of all - I don't use translators. I meet the women in person so I know how well they speak english. And if they don't speak english, then I move on. Translators KNOW that their services are necessary for you and they know that you make more money than they do - so if you want it you have to pay. They don't typically work everyday and learning another language is not an easy task (if it were easy, I would have learned Russian already) so they have a sellable skill and they know it. I had Lasik a few years back. Costed me $2,000 per eye, for a five minute procedure. What is that $24,000 per hour the clinic was potentially making? I didn't argue with the doctor, telling him that he was charging a rate per hour that was equal to what most doctors make in a month - but if I had I am sure he would have told me to jump in a lake if I didn't like his fees. If you want it you pay for it. aussieman41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/29/2007 6:38:42 AM   If you are going to meet a FSU lady it really is advisable that she can speak communicable english or you communicable Russian. Love without the common language of communication can not develop, in order to exist, said by me many times before. Leave the translators out of the equation and save money and save things from being twisted and manipulated without your knowledge, it is known some scam is in cohoots with translators, the women themselves and the agencies..its just a way to gain more money out of you and reduce your chances of success so that you come back and pay for more and the circle continues! Cycleserg Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/29/2007 11:38:45 AM   Moes I did not see any misery in Dnepropetrosvk? I saw a vibrant expanding city. Yes, not every area was modern but all big cities are this way. If you ever been to south central LA or certain parts of Chicago and Atlanta there you will see some misery. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/29/2007 11:52:49 AM   Didn't see any misery the last time I was in Ukraine either. But I did hear a conversation between two guys who were part of the Roamnce Social I attended. One guy said "See all these beautiful women? They are all desperate to connect with us and have us take them out of these this terrible place." The other guy agreed and made some comment about how easy the pickings were going to be. These were two of the rare guys who attended a Romance Social and DIDN'T find anytone. apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/29/2007 10:17:07 PM   Speaking the same language is not as important to dump the translator as soon as possible to see how you interact with non-verbal signals only. All girls who were interested, made sure they were okay with it. $100/day is a good deal if you spend breakfast to dinner in the evening. Some guys do that, but if your balking at that with an agency translator - that's real bad news. Move on to the next girl trust me, you would be remembered at that agency as being rude and cheap American... Ulmo Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/30/2007 3:55:40 AM   Have to agree with jetmba, although I haven't been over there yet. (Next week!) Maybe 10 years ago or longer they were looking to be rescued, but those days are gone. From everything I've read, and from the many Russian women I've corresponded with, they don't need saving and they don't consider their lives miserable at all. Most of the women I've spoken with talk happily of their family, friends, the weather, etc. The girl I'm visiting next week can talk endlessly about her love of her local hockey team! I just read a really interesting book on Russian culture, and it talks about how Russians have centered their lives around the "mir" for over a thousand years. The mir is the communal center of their lives. It's more than just family, it's their whole social infrastructure. It's very tight, and it governs their lives from birth to death. Communism exploited this built-in tendency, but the important thing is that you need to be something special for them to want to leave that social structure to be with you. You need to be a "catch." You need to provide more to her than just a stable income and a nice house. You literally have to supplant the mir, and from everything I've read it's not an easy task. I don't know who you're going through, but if I were you I'd go through fiance.com. But make sure you know if you're corresponding through a translator or not. I've found that the "English level" listing on profiles is pretty much just a random number. I was pretty surprised to find out a girl I was corresponding with that was list as English level 8 didn't speak any English at all. Another girl was listed as a 2 or 3 and I spoke with her on the phone with no translator at all. I don't agree with the poster who said to make sure she speaks English. Call me a hopeless romantic but I believe love transcends language. I will admit to being more uncomfortable when speaking through male translators though. Kinda creeps me out. :) Anyway, good luck with your search. I would recommend you re-evaluate your criteria, do a lot of reading on what motivates Russian/Ukranian women (this free e-book was a helpful start for me: http://www.womenrussia.com/freebook/index.htm), and start your search anew. Find someone who will love you for who you are, not what kind of life you can provide them. At the same time you want to find a woman who you are genuinely interested in being with, and not just because you feel some need to protect or save her. You will both be happier! Best of luck to you. aussieman41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/30/2007 11:07:20 PM   Good luck, Ulmo. Well said. I agree, these girls lives revolve around family and friends as in a lot of East European culture, I know quite a few people from the old Yugoslavia and Eastern parts of Europe living in Australia who migrated here, culturally they are similar, family and friends are very important to them. You just can't rip an FSU girl away from her family and friends..all she has ever known and bring her to a new country, put in a house in suburbia and lead a mediocre life..she will badly miss her friends and family interaction which is the daily basis of there lives and no amount of material things you give her will compensate for the loss of her old social structure and interaction with people in her own country...this is a huge difficulty and I think this is one primary reason why marriages between FSU girls and Western men often fail and she goes back to her own country..she misses the life she has always known and her friends/family and will be shit bored in western suburbia as a miserable house wife..youa s the man can not substitute for the loss..all the things she gave up..its is a very big deal for them to leave everything behind and move to a new country. I honestly don't think, most men will be a good enough catch for them to want them to really give everything up when it comes to the crunch and decision making time, hence most trips to the FSU, men come back empty handed! Is it morally right to remove someone from an enviroment in which they are happy and contented and bring to a strange country with no friends of theres to interact with so they can be bored shitless in suburbia and really have no life...I think it is a dilemna..should you really expect success when you try and do this??? Its not only your needs as the man, its her needs as well and simply loving her may not cut it in the long run and keep her contented..theres too great big sides to the coin here. Ulmo has raised some good points about there social infrastructure..its different than us Western guys..we can be a cold unfriendly culture in which the neighbours next to you don't talk to you, even when you have lived next to them for years..its a hell of a difference, the FSU social culture and the Western "the neighbours would not even know if you died in your own house culture until the rotten smell got to bad culture".. Ulmo Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/31/2007 4:01:23 AM   Thanks Aussie, I'm really looking forward to it. I think moes heart is in the right place, just need a little adjustment in how you approach it. Hopefully the advice given here will help you Moes, best of luck to you!! apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/31/2007 1:40:30 PM   Agreed Aussie - you are pulling someone out of everything they have known. We are not saviours because we can make more money to these girls - (unless your absolutely filthy rich and they are a gold-digger). Any man should realize he is going to have to be extraordinary for her to even picture leaving all her friends and family behind. A man must be able to woo a lady from letters, and then impress her with representing yourself as accurately as you can in the letters you write her as well. I have met girls who I met through agencies who would have packed up their bags the next day if I had been enclined to have proposed. So its not impossible - it just depends if the girl is attracted to you, and if she has an adventurous spirit more times than not. Now if you have already written a girl and you found commonality and discussed her reservations of leaving, you should already have realized how hard its going to be for her to leave in the first place. For some its easy, for others its hard - depends on how strong their family and communal ties are is all. And everyone has their own notions on what it means to them personally to leave - not a book - or my opinion... zeeco Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/31/2007 4:18:37 PM   Any one who dates a girl,he can't communicate with is a moron, if you need a translater, it ain't gonna work. apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/31/2007 9:31:11 PM   What an idiotic post zeeco - you know nothing and your post shows. Your ignorance of travelling and meeting women overseas is as limited as your intelligence... I had some drop dead gorgeous girlfriends who didn't speak a word of English, because chemistry overcame any simplistic language barrier... So I can already picture what type of guy you probably look like based on your post. Open mouth -- insert foot. If the girls had been more compatible I'd have married them and they would have accepted, regardless of what your limited experience says to the contrary... Adman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/1/2007 1:02:54 AM   Youre a total contradiction apal. You want a woman to write 2000+ word essays but youre not interested in talking to her. I would find it very frustrating not being able to talk to a woman. GeminiDreams Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/1/2007 6:23:28 AM   The beauty of not being able to talk same language is that it would take 5 years before you could tell each other how much you dont like them! However my limited experiences with translators is that they are a disruption to getting to know her! Learn some Russian, isnt that hard, a surprising amount has latin roots and get a girl who has an understanding of English. apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/1/2007 3:29:20 PM   I am a contradiction, but I am not being hypocritical. Chemistry and mutual attraction is a much better sign of compatibility then just speaking someone's language fluently. Sure, one needs to communicate verbally for basic needs and wishes. But when you can be with someone and you feel she needs you? Nothing compares to the chemistry and passion which pretty much speak louder volumes than needing someone fluent, or someone who might get on my nerves if I really understood every word she was saying. lol! j/k! sorta... ;0 I do like writing though... just hope I can find that perfect balance between face-to-face chemistry and mutual understanding through written communication. Far cry from being completely assinine and idiotic and make a post that says a girl has to speak 100% fluent English for anyone to want to marry them... unconditional love knows no such conditions nor restrictions. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/1/2007 7:20:05 PM   "I am a contradiction, but I am not being hypocritical. Chemistry and mutual attraction is a much better sign of compatibility then just speaking someone's language fluently. Sure, one needs to communicate verbally for basic needs and wishes. But when you can be with someone and you feel she needs you? Nothing compares to the chemistry and passion which pretty much speak louder volumes than needing someone fluent, or someone who might get on my nerves if I really understood every word she was saying. lol! j/k! sorta... ;0 " Well at least you admit that you are a contradiction. You want a regular Emily Dickenson to write you heartfelt letters. But its okay if she doesn't speak a word of english so those letters are entirely generated by a (male or female) TRANSLATOR. (maybe you are falling for an EMILE Dickenson.) You talk of chemistry and passion and being with someone - but you knock face to face meetings by means of a Romance Social in favor of "lonely hearts type" "profiles" that are entirely written by advertising agencies for women who don't even speak the language. What contradictions! I've made now seven trips to Eastern Europe and I've been seriously involved with several women - and I agree with zeeco that to really KNOW a woman she needs to speak your language. Others can have their preferences and I respect those. But personally I cannot see getting involved with a woman who doesn't speak your language. THAT to me seems unreasonable. apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/1/2007 10:13:23 PM   No contradiction at all in regards to how anyone else wants to approach this. It is just what I prefer. You had success at your social. It's just not my thing. Jetmb - "but you knock face to face meetings by means of a Romance Social in favor of "lonely hearts type" "profiles" that are entirely written by advertising agencies You are either illiterate or dyslexic. When did I saw I knock face to face meetings - get off the podium. I said I wouldnt rely totally on one. I'd go to one when things didn't go right. btw, are you saying that EVERY PROFILE any marriage agency girl has online is bogus? ;0 jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/2/2007 9:11:37 AM   "btw, are you saying that EVERY PROFILE any marriage agency girl has online is bogus?" WHO'S illiterate or dyslectic? When did I say that every profile is bogus? Romance Socials allow one to meet women face to face. Profile written by girls who speak absolutely no english - are written for them by their agencies. Is this stuff too advanced for you? apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/2/2007 9:56:49 AM   You wrote it. Now your being completely ridiculous and state that a girl's profile is not her own, because it to be translated first. Geezus... Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Lets cut to the chase.
	Pages: 1 2 3 4