Thank you for sharing with the rest of us your stories, I feel your pain and understand your suffering.
Markus, finally somone said it like it is, the basic cultural difference is that lying is the natural way to survive in Uraine, be it as a legacy of their former communist regime or their actual mafia style regie as well. I was a bit surprised to find out, in the US in 2003, how third word and devastating Ucrainians were with each other (I come from a banana republic rich in oil and its the same thing here), but what it amazed me was an american "businessman" saying, it is good to deal with the mafia running the country for no one can stop them, the life expectancy is getting lower, their money is not worth anything (bartering is the best commerce to find), any opposition the police comes in your home and disappears you... surely under that state of living, they have to lie... and suddenly they find that the gullible west is so fond of opening their wallets to anyhthing, it is scam paradise.
The Ucrainians that are living in the west because they managed to escape from the days of the soviet regime, are among the most honest, hard working and respectable people I have ever known, they are proud of their land and heritage.. yet I feel they are extemely embarrased at the current situation their country is living.
Markus, your advice has put me in warning also, sure, I have been targeted by the nice young girls sudenly interested, well not even when i was 22 and member of the waterpolo team could I draw the attention of one of them, so I went to the low profile, my age, no suggestive poses, and I was thinking I was safe there, your letter has the "ring of truth", I am now wary of my own shadow.
Oh yeah, to the ones who will come fast and hard with your success stories, please!!! its basic statistics, your cases are isolated or outliers, or at best 1% of the curve, and to those that say that the ones that are happy have better things to do, I am sick of your optimism
It is a sad inditement on the Ukrainian culture and people, that habitual lying, especially in situations were even a small ( by our standards )financial advantage or deception can be obtained is common place.
Although they may be very friendly and hospitable people, let them smell the oportunity for an easy buck and they will deceive.
We lie in the West too, all people lie at some point ( tell the little white lies and the fibs ) but in the Ukraine its done on a magnitude that would shock us.
My Polish friend, told me, "do not trust Ukrainians, especially the women for they are money hungry and will lie for there own ends"
He thought I was crazy for even looking at Ukrainian women on the internet and I should forget about them for my own good.
It will be very hard to find "a genuine Ukrainian women who does not lie" to make a wife for us Western men.
The culture and poorness of there country has created a situation, where they ( the girls ) see easy money to be made from Western guys through scams ( and profiteering by Ukraine based and international marriage agencies ), Western men are not gullible, just unfamiliar with there devious ways and the way they use there sexuality to hook men in because this is the only asset they have and they know how to use it, to manipulate men and get what they want.
There well known reputation as liars and deceivers will not help them to engender trust from foreign men as we are becoming more aware of there scams and M.O through sites like this.
The genuine Ukraine girl, the good girl that is trustworthy is very hard to find now, its a shotgun in the dark lottery to get one!
Aussie...got to disagree on one aspect, western men ARE gullible, to the extent all a pretty girl needs to do is show interest. I have met many ukrainian girls and don't think I've been lied to...at least to the extent of getting something from me. If girl tells you something, you got to at least believe her until proved otherwise. It is interesting Markus generalized that Ukrainians lie because of situation he was involved in, what is truth is THAT lady lied, she happened to be Ukrainian. Everyone in every country lies....it is an individual thing that people lie , countries don't.
It is unfortunate about experiences Markus went through, his heart is in the right place but his mind is hurt and angered.
Here's my email address....bretsarrazin@yahoo.com Lets compare notes so give me a phone number and I will call when you have some time. I'd like to find out more what she was all up to. Inna's not the prettiest girl but I figured there would be more guys out there interested in her and possibly guys she has taken besides me and another guy. Reading all these other peoples stories sure wants me to stop alot of this crap going on out there. Maybe its a strong lesson to all of us to leave these Ukrainian and Russian women right where they are on money they earn for themselves, not from all of us. They can have their Russian and Ukrainian guys, they probably both deserve each other!
Aussie- Thanks mate for the comment, you seemed to hit it squarly in the nail, your polish friend may have the usual "aversion to the neighboring country" syndrome, that that does not make him be wrong on his appreciation.
God willing, I will be in the land of the kangaroo soon to start my life all over again, I went there in 2005 and even though I did not find the high density of attractive women as here in Venezuela, I was not all unpleased with the locals and the immigrants that I found tehre, what is your advice on finding the ladies there?
So what are the chances of linking up with a cute Venezuelan or Colombian girl, before and after the guerillas take one up into the mountainside? What's the chances of a white guy getting out alive?
The guerrilla warfare is, sadly, a situation of Colombia. Now the guerilla has the best supporter to their cause, the dicatato Fidel Chavez, sorry, Hugo, that gives them all sort of tactical support in here as well as the petrodollars to finance their kingdom of terror.
I do not see any connection to the skin tone and the guerrilla warfare, as for both in Colombia (specially in the Andes region) as well as in here, we have all types of skin tones, and some of them are paler than the vast majority of the FSU ladies you see in here. Although, by our standards, too much paleness is a sympton of sickness, so we usually say, go to the beach and get yourself some color so you will be healthy again. The guerilla will kidnapp you no matter what the color of your skin is, the only goof thing about his place, is that the whole race issue was diluted after centuries of continous mixing that resulted in the best women in the world (Colomabians and Venezuelans).
Just one thing, read the post -Why do russian men drink a lot of alcohol- The women here are beautiful but have the same mood swings and bitchy attitude some of the gents here have painfuly found out in their romeo travels.
Aussie- again, I am going to be in Oz soon, so what is the best method of getting to know the locals (Women, that is)?. Unfortunately, I joined Finance.com after I saw an australian dating site. My height (175cm) was considered "too short" for about 75% of the ladies as well as I am too old (44) for ladies who were even older than me and my weight (90 kg) was considered too fat (thank god I am not bald). Damn, if anyone ever asked why do western men look for FSU women, perhaps its time to give simplistic answer to simple questions- because the ladies here are not too picky in their specs-
To all you guys out there, setting up a MOB agency here seems to be a sound investment, anyone in?
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