Ok, now I've only been around this forum for a few weeks (months). I have been to Ukraine and South America to see for myself what this marriage agency thing was all about. I don't pretend to be an expert, but I have this uncanny knack for meeting gold-diggers wherever I go. Probably the way I look - and the type of girl I like - has a lot to do with it.
Yet, I really want to find the humble modest girl who I can spoil... it's a lot more fun than to have one pre-spoiled. ;p
Ok, I wanted to create a topic to get everyones best anti-gold-digger advice. Yeah, I can stop wearing Armani and Ferragamo and Hugo Boss - but then I need to get a new wardrobe for work. :)
My very first question I ask a girl I like is "What kind of car would you buy that best represents your personality".
Believe it or not, cars are the one status symbol of most importance to any Ukraine girl.
The next is the house / apartment / lifestyle furnishings, etc.
You would be amazed at how much this one question reveals so much about a girl's true inner-world. If you ask it in an introduction letter - you will not leave time for this girl to know you are of more modest means then the BMW, Porsche - and even the Lamborghini one of these HYT (Hot Young Things) wanted to buy as her next car...
You don't have to take my word for it... but it works when they dont know a thing about you.
It would also be fantastic to ask this question at a social - in that one car question you find the gold-digger in 5 seconds. ;p
Get a new question...it reeks $$$$$$
Apal...to be honest, I think the girls you go for are the reason you end up with golddiggers, without even realizing it a $$ or two slipps it conversation...it is just you, probably from dropping all those hints to girls in the states of what your $$$ is, bad habit and hard to break!!
I was told I look superficial and fake at times, so I guess that's why I encounter same.
Buying a wife - it sure seems like it OM. This is what is strange, there seems to be a noticeable scarcity of 25-35 year old women applying to the agencies from the FSU. While there is an enormous volume of 18-21 year old girls joining in the recent year or so.
Yep, my hunting ground... and want to know what I began pulling out? Almost everyone of them wanted a brand-new sports car... 24/27. Now its how high a price tag of that sportscar that says everything
So if you don't believe me - just start asking the girl you are writing. It speaks more volumes about who you are writing to.
I am sure there are a few modest girls. I found one here, and she's really cute, but we ended it on more friends than anything else. Different views on other things is all.
So much for true love. Yet, there are those rare beauties who hold on for love at first sight. You just have to get really really lucky your what she had in mind...
Its strange that when I said to my GF that if we have children I want a nanny to change nappy she was horrified. She couldnt imagine having some stranger in the house looking after kid or doing cleaning. Early on in our relationship I had given her some money until my next visit. During my travels I had problem with my credit card and when i got to Ukraine I didnt have access to my accounts. She gave back all the money i had given her!
Funny Apal, that the 25-35 women is double of what the 18-25 crowd. I would bet in the long run that average would be the same, since most of the girls listed on this site are with agencys.
Wow I would take a serious look at myself if someone that didn't know me or my culture would claim that I was superficial. That's scary. Maybe the messages sent out in the first place tells it all. Two things I've found out about the ladies in Ukraine is one they don't like liars and braggarts and egotists rank a close second.
Gemini Dreams well I am very glad for you. I found that most ladies were happy when I told them that I live in a house that is 3500 sf and have a living maid, a gardner and have three cars in the garage, so bad that I had even mail to two ladies and then I got how dummy I am.
I will appreciate if any of you GD or N6 can tell me where are the lovely cozy ladies you meet, because I had bumped into the young girls good for one night stand who want a nice presents but not a serious meetings I have sent so many gifts flowers and chocolates, I am tired of it.
You see most of these guys aren't telling you about the bad stories they once shared with others, because they try to win their argument.
I can tell you a lot more about the girls I met who were not gold-diggers in Ukraine. But these guys want a reason to bitch, so they run in here and harp on some negative thing, so they can feel more adequate as 'men?'...
Anyways, a lot of the more plain girls aren't as materialistic - a vast majority I did write.. ok only about 2 or 3 lol - we're very pleasant and did not require much but stability.
I'm writing three girls that passed all my material-girl warning cues. So what you are seeing is a bit of jealousy - some previous disgruntlements because I insulted nasfan by mentioning there is no way in hell I would wait so long for a girl to make up her mind on me. She did. He did. I don't care. Yet he does - so him and whatzhisname - jetmba get on a tirade and turn this forum into a 13-yr old boy pissing contest.
What I am giving you guys are all the ways you can pre-screen these girls before you meet them. Why even show up and waste money paying a social or any agency $30-150 to meet a girl if she's a gold-digger and you don't like them?
I don't mind gold-diggers and prostitutes as much as I do liars... You can trust a gold-digger and a prostitute to come to you when you got something to give them. A liar will take it without your permission and tell you that you gave it to her and tell you to your face for several years how much she loved you and take you to the bank with her divorce attorney.
I think it would be easy to find gold diggers. All you have to do is write letters that frighten all of the good women away. Send enough of them and you will get a gold digger.
Good Ukrainians are a proud but modest people. They cannot stand arrogance. Write a letter bragging on what you have you will scare the good ones away. But surprise!!! You wont scare the scammers or gold diggers.
Yeppers apal, I don't know a thing about humility, taking that's coming from one of the forums foremost blowhards. Please with all humility, learn to conjugate a sentence first.
You made the comment about the 18-25 girls, which just one click on this site refutes your testimony, then you talk about being superficial? Only a self centered person even in jest is referred to superficial.
Nasfan, the more you talk about your 'facts' shows me the limits of your mental capacity. Why not take all the stats across the board from all websites - rather than just this small one on Fiance.com
You know when I first started reading your posts? You sounded sincere and wanting to help people. But you know ever since you started taking offense to aussieman's pathetic stories - well you began to get more and more offensive with each post.
Read your posts from the last 3 months, and they end up badgering anyone with an opinion about anything. They call people like you bullies - If I were your wife, I'd be shocked and ready to leave you about now. You are passive aggressive and your intolerance of anyone with an opinion is readily observed.
You have a very limited mind, little tolerance of a person's opinion. Yeah, your a real choice individual. I wouldn't say you have character - but you are definately a character.
If that is so Apal then that makes two.
Weren't you the guy barging in here ranting about your stay in not top class but over the top hotels? Overthere I mean, an area where the standards of living are on average considerably lower than here? That's of course one way to attract the limelight for an ugly mug, but no, you mentoned you were above average good looking. Next you complain about only attracting the less serious female kind, moneyhunters, and you say you think that's strange. I'll agree that some will never see the light but you devise some inquisitive interaction by asking pointed questions. My my, you clever Apal, for your name's not Dick is it? Saga-continuing you self admit you like hookers more than liars, so some here would conclude you thus like these more than yourself. That at least would make you a normal healthy man but oh, multiple references to young underage boys, this whilst you don't have kids as far as I can remember, cast a further shadow on your person. This shadow goes pitchblack when you mention you never even slept with any of the girls, if anything an ominous remark.
In all that makes for a character indeed, although a bit of a shady one. It reeks of an inferiority complex combined with, shall we say, rather suspect preferences for a mate.
Nas a bully? I doubt it, but even if so then one would at least feel at ease with him because one would know where one stands. With you though I'd be hardly sure of anything, an eerie fact. Have you ever given it a thought that you might make people uncomfortable?
My wife always wanted a new Jaguar. I knew this within weeks of meeting her. Apal’s test would have saved me a bundle.
Also ask about their trips - have they been to Thailand, Costa Rica, Mexico etc? Usually a sure fire traveling pro dater. She will go with you too - but is it worth it? I doubt it. Do they like Crimea? Or are they too good for it - the water is “too dirty”. They will only swim in the deep oceans. Do they have expensive hobbies like horse riding? Do they order fresh juice and French mineral water and only drink half of it? Do they order a meal on a first date without your permission? Did they drag you to a high priced restaurant at which they might get a commission? Do they want presents such as boots and handbags on a first or second date? Do they spend the whole date boasting about all the presents men give them, then tell you they are now going to pick up some flowers and chocolates? Are they a professional model buy only five feet tall? Do they work for the Government (usually tax or police) and make only $100 a month? Do they ask you for $10 or $20 for a taxi fare in the middle of the day when the metro is faster and only costs 10 cents? Do they ask you to buy them fresh out of season fruit and chocolates on the first date? Do they support other family members? Were their parents murdered or live in some unknown place? Is their mother or babushka sick? Does she dig in mama's dacha on Sunday but has immaculate and incredibly long fingernails painted with many colours? Do all of these women refuse to go home with you because "it is too dangerous"? Do they collect money for their train fare from you but will not let you go with them to the train station to go home to their alleged native city? Do they want you to fly to meet them away from Kiev and they will arrange high priced acomodation, taxis etc, but they won't stay with you in the apartment? Do they want hundreds of bucks for a taxi ride to meet or collect you? Do they tell you a pack of lies? Need I go on????
The haughtiness of the pro daters is breathtaking. However, you do get to spend time with a young and attractive female so maybe it is worth it. I am amazed how few of them make any effort to be charming during the first date. They are probably bored with the whole thing.
Apal, you make me laugh. If one site is just a sample, I would bet across the board, it would not change much. Since this site samples women from many agencies and individual profiles.
I have no problem with intelligent difference of opinion. Bullying is not my style, but when I see someone speak out of context, I have no problem interjecting, not only opinion but what I know as a fact.
Your comment about my wife shows you lack any class or dignity what so ever. Since one, you know nothing about my relationship with my wife, or how I treat her. Again commentary on something you know nothing about. Also I've never commented on my looks, or my financial status. It means nothing here. I've stayed in 5 star hotels and in dives. Though to look for a thousand buck a night hotel with a woman who possibly lives in a two room flat and not much material things.Shows me you put fluff ahead of substance. Impressing by material good over the reality of the the inner strength of love.
As for hammering Aussieman. When new guys come on here, and he hides it throughout his posts, they think he has some authority or experience with actual travel and experience in Ukraine. Which he has never stepped foot anywhere in the FSU. This is dangerous and stupid information. One his comments can deter a guy from trying to find a womam there, or give him real bad information on how to treat a woman there and get him in to real trouble.
As for facts, I have been there, I know what the people in Mariupol are like. I've intermingled in their society, and you can find decent people, you can find an beautiful and outstanding woman. When demeaning a culture and society, I think one should look at his own backyard, look at the scams and corruption there. Or at least traveled one time before making wreckless statements about a culture and people sampled only by what you have read and what you have heard. I learned some things there, being a vehement anti-communist, I found the people all didn't adhere to the ideology, they were just folks trying to raise their children and feeding their families. Afraid of speaking out because of the corrupt government. The felt powerless because of the rats in their own cities. Point being, you cannot judge and slander a society or it's women until you have lived among them. I doubt Aussieman has been anywhere besides Fiji. His incessant ranting about scammers proves that he lives in constant fear, and in fear we lash out at the defenseless and don't take it head on. Instead of defending this loser who recklessly attacks women he doesn't know, then himself trys to buy attention with a woman by sending her darts. Please spare me. He should have sent that 75 somewhere else where it would have helped.