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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Respect for Different Cultures Author Post Land of oz Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/16/2007 11:43:47 AM   One thing I will ask is that no matter how irritating a post is address the issue and do not attack the poster. Unless you want to tell me I am the stupidest man in the world because I know that I am not. I looked all over and found one man who is not even as smart as I am so I am at least second man up. To understand a post we need to know where the person who wrote it is coming from. I am going to start with an illustration. Suppose you work for a factory that has a sister factory 50 miles away. You had a friend transferred to the other factory. Your son plays foot ball or whatever is popular in your country on the school team but their winning record is not good. Your friends son is on a winning team. Now when you see your friend you can’t stand his arrogance about football so you end up saying irrational things and call him a pig. You like the school your son goes to and realize that football is not a strong point but it has other programs better than your friends school. One of which is the lunch program your school uses a balanced diet and his school just feeds doughnuts. Now the sister factory gets a large contract and you and several others are transferred. Now your son is on a winning team but your daughter is eating too many doughnuts, becoming over weight and has some health issues. The people there are different and there is even a group of them that think you selfishly came to their city only because of their football team. Can you answer these people rationally if they continue as a broken record or will you strike out at them? Are you happy now? Equate this to the foreign women marrying men in your country. They love their country just like you love your school. You both know there are some problems within and discuss them with sympathetic people. But let an outsider bash either your school or her country and fur will fly. Very likely words will not be very rational. Nobodies country is perfect and there will be bad points that she will see that you never noticed. Now going back to the group of people who thought you only moved for the football team. How differently would you answer their questions if they respected you? Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/16/2007 2:08:00 PM   Your friend moved to another factory, what has the two of you working in factories got to do with school, football and your porky pig of a daughter? Why don't you just be two friends that live in different towns, one doesn't have to move to that other town and doesn't have to work in a factory either? Talk about making a drama out of a crisis :) Land of oz Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/16/2007 3:27:47 PM   Perhaps I need to simplify and explain this a little bit more. This is called a parable. It is a story that you can identify with and draw feelings from in an attempt to illustrate feelings in a situation you may not be familiar with. In this illustration you represent the FSU lady, the factory represents Love or a partner, the two schools represent her country and the new country, football represents the better things in the new country, the food program represents the worse things in the new country, the friend represents the different culture you have to get used to, and the group of people represent those who say the lady only came to take the good things of the country and did not care about love or a partner. Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/16/2007 5:28:50 PM   Dear Wizard, I'm totally with you and advise following, of course only as an illustration: replace doughnuts with milk, school with labourcamp, football with sex and factory with brewery and I promise you anyone will envy you. Better still, you might move up the ranks a bit, who wants to be second-last forever eh? Your daughter will look up to you whilst you look at her broadside, just an example how to look at it from the sunny side - but I'm sure you'd already guessed that. If this is not vague enough tell me, then I'll elaborate somewhat. Was a pleasure. Cycleserg Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/18/2007 11:38:21 AM   What the hell are you guys talking about?? Land of oz Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/18/2007 8:41:47 PM   I feel like many of the men searching for ladies in the FSU have the concept that these ladies want to bail out of the FSU like rats off of a sinking ship. So if you flash a little bit of money, tell them what a great life you can give them, and explain to them what a great person you are they will follow you home like a little puppy dog. A few of them might. You would call most of these gold diggers. But a good woman will run from you. A good woman won't be impressed with what you tell her. She will watch how you care for her, how you treat her, the respect you show to others including her friends and family. The connection that she feels with you because of what I was trying to illistrate with this thread she is giving up everything that she has ever loved or associates as normal to leave her country and to be with you. So you will probably not be able to go down to the Jewelry store, get a ring, and expect to bring a wife home on the first visit. Contrary to what you might believe I do not think the United States is the number one choice of these ladies. Many of them even after they get here want to go home. Complaints I have heard are fruits and vegetables available here are of poor quality (I agree theirs are much better maybe because they are ripened on the vine instead of the shelf), mass transportation is not developed and everything is too far to walk to, They do not feel comfortable walking because the sidewalks are empty, nobody speaks their language to help, and of course they only have one friend so he better be a good one. You have heard stories of women taking money from men, they have heard horror stories of men ruining women's lives. Put yourselves in their shoes and try to imagine what they are looking for and if it is worth it to you try to be that man. aussieman41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/18/2007 10:19:02 PM   If you as the guy don't take your shoes off at the door or the fsu womens flat or parents or friends/relatives homes ( make sure your socks are clean and not smelly ), you have blown it! Failure to remove the shoes at the door and trudge into peoples homes with shoes on in the FSU is considered very disrespectful..your fsu lady will not be impressed and think you are rough and uncultured and uncivilized because you did not remove your shoes..you have blown your chances if you forget yourself and don't take off your bloody shoes over there when venturing into peoples homes! Another useless tidbit of info. I love how some of you morons ( not all of you but I will not name names here ) attack me. In most cases I am right, in few caes misinformed but generally right while some of you guys are blind lambs going to the slaughter or just don't want to wake up and smell the coffee and dream of young fsu women to be your sex slaves to your shrivelled old cocks! I an old cock too by I admit I am wrong for chasing women more than 10 years younger than me and don't do this anymore. For Australian men applying for a fiancee visa for young fsu women this is what Australian Visa has to say. "Many prospective marriage sub-class 300 visa or the fiance visa fail due to small iregularities in paperwork or not satisfying conditions for the visa" "The DIMA representative at the embassy you apply will look at each visa on its merits and those visas applied for in "high risk" countries such as the Former Soviet Union will be closely scrutinised and age difference will be closely looked at between you as the male sponsor and the FSU women, if she is young and you are old and the age difference between you is significantly greater than what is accepted as the Australian social norm, generally no more than 10 years age gap, the visa will get rejected based on the age difference and the belief the relationship is not genuine by the embassy official so if you are a 40 year old man who is trying to marry a 20 year old FSU women, age gap of 20 years, the fiance visa is very likely to get rejected on the basis the girl is not genuine and too young and using you for immigration scam, even though the relationship might be genuine, they don't see as socially normal and proper and highly suspect and will reject it. You are really pushing to get visa approval if the age gap between you is 15 years or more, it will get rejected and you will have to go to appeal which is costly and time consuming with no guarantee it will make it through. Aussie immigration rules are not flexible and women from the FSU are viewed as high risk of scam/marriage failure and the age difference will be looked at..they are not going to buy what you say if theres age differences from 15 years upwards..the bigger the age difference, the more suspicious they are! The rejection rate for visas for FSU women at the Australian Embassy in Moscow runs at 89% on average. I am not trying to discourage Aussies here..I am telling you the facts..getting one of these FSU girls here on a fiance visa will be an expensive uphill battle with a heavy burden of proof to convince them of a relationship with intent to marry, you must even submit the "notice of intent to marry form" signed by a marriage celebrant in Australia with a proposed date of marriage when you first apply for a fiance visa signed by you and her...getting one here on a tourist visa to visit you...NEVER! OM Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/18/2007 10:40:40 PM   Woa, I am glad LoOz you can push the bottom. I been chatting with a girl, I wish she were older from Russia, when I was there she was a guide in one of my tours, and just to support what you said, in one side she ask me if I can come back to Russia, she wants to take me around, "she wants me to meet her family" and ask this simple question, WOuld you take care of me,? I am affraid to be in US alone, you will be all I have. I never put enough attention to it, but despite all her troubles she loves her Russia, she has mistaken my will to help, I meet her, she did not sleep with me, I gave her my lap top and have send her money for school, she is only 21, and could be my daughter. How much I wish she were 28 or better 30. I just wish to do not meet a goldigger or a another jerk. As I once said, if have a lot to offer, but all my money goes to a trust of my kids, and if she divorce she gets zip, maybe just enough for a tickett back to her country,that is call pre-marital arrangments, which include the minimal time before I will sign for her green card. I think we including me, like to "buy a woman who could become a wife." maybe "I can sell a man, who needs a wife". Now sadly, I do not think my trip will give me that chance, and I do not think I am the one who will come back to Ukraine to see her again and again. I could consider flying her to me to other countries, but life is to short and I have make my priorities and I want to see this world, I on my way to Ukraine, but will also travel, Croatia, Serbia and Montenegro. Well guys, I am thankfull to all of you for the eye opener, this old bear wish you the best. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/18/2007 11:15:38 PM   You couldn't find a woman a mere 10 years younger than yourself aussieman ..... well I guess some of us have got it and others haven't. By the way, how exactly did you chase these women whilst you were sitting behind your keyboard in Australia? Land of oz Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/18/2007 11:28:45 PM   Now OM your intentions I do not believe are bad. You are looking for a wife and I hope one to share love with. For many of the women over there your age is acceptable. Your wealth is acceptable. Just do not talk about it first off. Use a silent confidence and never indicate to her how much better off she will be living in the US than her home country. Pretend that is not so because she is making a great sacrifice for you. Be respectful of her love of her country. She is interested in a good heart show her that. Once you have established a good relationship meeting her in other countries will be acceptable to her. Other countries do not require the commitment that a K-1 visa in the states does. But remember she wants you not your money if she is worth her salt. This does not mean she will not appreciate gifts. But small gifts will mean as much to her as big ones. Land of oz Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/18/2007 11:38:47 PM   OM I wrote my last post before I read your post on the other thread. A couple more pieces of advice. Do not compliment her too highly on her beauty. Tell her she is attractive not more to start with. Rather find personality characteristics to complement on. She will appreciate it more if you notice her personality than if she thinks physical beauty is all you are after. And do not tell her she will get zip if she divorces you. Do not even talk about divorce. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/19/2007 7:15:35 AM   First of all Aussieman, it isn't the removal of shoes to get to stocking feet, and many women will have slippers or in Russian Tahpke. It is not a point of respect it's a point of cleanliness. They have slippers for their guests and that's their culture. If you knew much about the women and the culture you would know the difference. They don't want people trudging in the grime off the streets. Somewhat of a cleanliness thing. My wife is a stickler for clean. Somethings in their culture you might want to learn. As again,you continually post of things you know nothing about. You've never been there, you've never for one minute spent time in the culture, you never spent on moment with woman from there, but you will misrepresent the simple act of removing one's shoes at their door since you don't know a thing about the culture. They may have not had much material in their lives, but what my wife had was impeccably kept. She's an outstanding cook, a clean freak and she doesn't have these moody swings which you like to talk about, but know nothing about. Keep googling airports and immigration issues in your country, maybe you will find something you know what your talking about. Women from Ukraine surely isn't your subject. aussieman41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/19/2007 7:46:46 AM   Rubbish Nasfan, I know plenty. I have been taking my shoes of at my Macedonians friends home for the last 25 years, they are another East European culture where taking shoes off at the door is required before entry, I actually take them off outside on the door step or porch before entering the door. Its not new to me, if I was to go to the FSU a pair of brand new slippers would be part of my luggage along with a cloth bag with handles to carry them discreetly...I would not expect FSU people who invite me to there home to provide slippers...I bring and supply my own clean pair! Contrary to what you and others think, Nasfan, I am more courteous and polite than most men and will abide by the standards of other cultures. I have a brain and commonsense. I know and have known many different people from East European cultures. And for the record Nasfan, I don't trudge around my house in street shoes either...they come off at the door and I wear slippers or bare feet...I am descended from a former soviet union country...Hungary and I speak its language, "who-yah arlott"...I leave you to find out what that means! 9davo Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/19/2007 12:53:37 PM   is that aussieman41 OR Land of oz speaking ? or both the same person? Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/19/2007 2:27:08 PM   What A laugh, Hungary was never part of the Soviet Union and as for comparing Macedonia to Ukraine, Russia etc. well I guess that's like comparing Germany to Ireland, they're both western European cultures so they must, by aussiemans logic, both do things the same! Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/19/2007 3:46:45 PM   "who-yah arlott" means "Wiedie dem is djulle" Prove me wrong? Land of oz Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/19/2007 5:57:46 PM   Land of os was out of the movie Wizard of Oz filmed in Kansas, USA. I believe Aussiman is a bit further South. OM Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/19/2007 8:13:27 PM   Well once again, thanks and think I understand well what you mean. I will let you know when I come back. Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/20/2007 4:12:39 AM   I lurve this thread, it's full of gibberish as from starters. Ireland the same as Zjermany? Nein Paddy, Belfast is renowned for its Bockwurst, und kettlefried chips originated in Stuttgart. A Wizard ranking 2nd last on the intellectual scale mixes it with a Hermit from Down-Under. Whilst both seem to share their non-familiarity with their, according to some possibly same, next-door neighbour they produce riddles and nonsense respectively whilst competing with and overlapping their subjects simultaneously. Bravo Davo, and know that the Land of Os is down South indeed, although smack bang in the middle of Kansas and Ozzi. Watch Os help win the cup today! (NB for vegetable Wizards & googling Hermits: add 'Durant' to Os) nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/20/2007 8:20:11 AM   Aussieman, that goes to show what you know about anything in Ukraine. If you go to any Ukrainians home they will have slippers for guests,people don't walk around town with slippers in their bags moron . But don't worry about buying a bag for slippers, you won't need them. The chance of you going to the FSU is about the same as me being Knighted by the Queen of England.As for who-yah arlott, who cares, all I would have to do is ask my wife what it means, instead of doing some google search like you. Though being the great google world traveler that you are, it sure saves on Air fare. 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