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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Met Ukrainian Gal, So far, So Good! Author Post BritGuy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/30/2007 12:11:13 PM   Hi, Just wanted to tell my story really... End of last year I split with my wife here in the UK, I lost everything, my life was destroyed, I turned to drink, I was a drunk nobody, I will freely admit that, I couldn't have been any lower than I was. I moved into my parents, they done everything they could for me, I got my own phone line and internet going, for a laugh I decided to join this site, turned out that one of the first ladies that I wrote to was the Love of my life! since I joined 2 monthes ago we have emailed every day, talked on the phone for hours every week and we sent sms everyday! I think we are as in Love as is possible before meeting! Anyway my Ukraine trip is planned, I will spend most of it with her family, and the rest with her, Already looked at plans to bring her into the UK, She is no scam, she is a simple girl and tries to save money where ever she can, I go to Ukraine to meet her and her family in a few weeks and I am very excited. I am 31 and she is 25 and we seem perfectly suited, there are so many sad (and bad) stories here that I would like to submit a good one! Dreams can happen! nobodyknows Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/30/2007 12:53:31 PM   the proverb runs: never cackle till your egg is laid anyway, good luck! hope u ll be happy! BritGuy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/30/2007 1:17:42 PM   I'll keep you updated as to how it goes, still going strong as we speak, maybe this week I sound adverstise for the site, but, she really is great! I hope I will never anything to tell here, I love her so much! 9davo Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/30/2007 1:50:59 PM   Britguy what site did you meet her on? BritGuy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/30/2007 2:04:54 PM   We met on This site, but I must admit that although I met her on this site, we departed from it very quickly, her English is very good and she has her own PC, so this is all good :-) I have no doubt that there are thousands of gals out there that seek western men, but even so, I got luckey I think. If it falls through I will be back, although things are so deep that I hope it will turn out ok :- ) zeeco Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/30/2007 6:10:49 PM   Good luck mate, but i would still be careful, see how you feel once you have returned from your meeting, good luck though Britman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/31/2007 10:51:16 AM   read this mate- be careful... Here's some advice, I have been to many places in Ukriane Kiev and others as above. I dont beleieve in writing yards of letters to women, it doesn't work, because the minute you actually meet them there may not be any chemistry and its all a waste of time and money. I suggest you choose, 20 girls or so and make arrangements to simply meet them in Ukraine. Tell the agency you want to meet the girls when you arrive, pay for each meeting or get a package and then simply meet them for an hour. If you onyl want sex then do as you wish but I am talking about love and marriage...You'll know right away, firstly if YOU like them and secondly, you will know if they like you or atleast pretend to like you, then go from there, but all this letter writing, flowers and such is BS. If any of those women want you they wont want the flowers and crap. They will also take you as you are if they are serious. Been there and done it. I could have been married once or twice but I declined (no love from my part). Watch out cause it still seems to me that some of the same old scammers are still about enjoying nice dinners from un suspecting men especially in Kherson. It s easier to meet the girls, preferably English speaking ones, because if any woman is serious about moving to an English speaking country they will make the effort to learn. Its not money, its effort and whether they are serious or not. Don't be fooled by the fact that all these woman are penniless, even if they are poor, they are not completely penniless I can assure you. If they want to move they WILL learn English. Many of the girls are genuine, but dont spend too much on them... if you love each other they will make all the neccessary agreements with you to learn Englsih and prepare for moving. If they onyl want gifts and money and dinners, GIVE them a WIDE BERTH. Truth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 10/31/2007 12:38:54 PM   TO Britman Hello, new here, and read what u have written...I agree with you completely that men as well as women should be careful! And for a man as well as for a woman it can be a waste of time, and for a man a waste of money… maybe you are right that it is much better to meet with 20 girls, but how u can find a right one ;-) as to choose a right girl spending only 2-3 hours with a girl in a restaurant is not enough….just the case how she looks like ;-) ? Think that is not enough… My experience: Now I communicate with one guy, he is from USA, and also had bad experience with women from FSU. And unfortunately, he has the same opinion about flowers and presents as you….but….i am not one of this girls, who just want to spend time at restaurants and “use” a man, I am serious about finding a man… do u think it is pleasant for me not to get any flowers from him or small presents, not because I cannot buy a perfume by myself, but just because HE is a MAN, and I want to get attention from him. Yes, I want him to give me presents, and to go with him somewhere for vacations, but not because I use him….. Present --- attention Vacation --- to get to know how a man will behave not at my country, and in my city, but in neutral territory where I depend on him…as it will show what our life could be… So as for knowledge of English….if a girl is serious she will learn the language, but if a man has serious intentions about her, why not to support her with money? Do not think that it can be a problem…but…if you want to be sure that she really attends classes, check her ;-) that is easy! Tanks for reading ;-) anothermug Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/1/2007 2:56:54 AM   Truth you are a gold digger. Why not show your man what married life could be by cooking his dinners at home? This I can assure all readers is hard to come by in Ukraine, especially the hot babes. Women would rather sleep with a guy than actually get their hands dirty cooking him a meal. These princesses expect someone else to cook for them - after all their mother always cooks for them, even of they are already thirty years of age. Looking after a baby, look out men, that is your job if babushka is not living with you. Neutral territory (5 star beach resort holiday in warm climate) - hah - you will live in his home town and country, not neutral territory. Get a job and support yourself. I advise all men to only find a future wife who is holding down a job, excepting single mothers perhaps. Through a marriage agency flower delivery costs $50 or $60. A scam. I recently bought my girlfriend a nice bunch of flowers for $3 in Ukraine. One day she brought me a large rose from her own home garden. Who says only the guys should show their appreciation for their partner? Who says that spending thousands of bucks will get some woman to fall in love with you? She might fake it though. Spend very little and she will not fake anything. My lady works 7 days a week and in her spare time likes to do things for me. It was clear from the start she was keen on me and not faking it. With a gold digger there is always the “too good to be true” test which will be a warning to the wise. Yes if they want expensive dinners and presents run. If they are consistently late to meet you or worse a no show, dump them. If they will never pay for a phone call, find someone else. If they have lots of nice possessions and no job, run away. If they are haughty and narcissistic, well you have been warned. Nadya Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/1/2007 4:51:52 AM   anothermug, Paying $50 or $60 for a service of delivering flowers hardly can be called a scam. You pay for the flowers + the service of actually getting them delivered in person to a lady. Simple business. If you are in Ukraine, of course you can buy stuff cheaper, but what when you're far away? And your special lady is surely looking for some token of attention on her birthday or St. Valentine's Day? That's exactly when the flower and gift delivery services truly come in handy. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/1/2007 8:15:58 AM   anothermug, You're talking shite: The second time I met my wife it was my birthday and I had asked for a BBQ in the family back garden, I stood in awe at the effort she put into preparing the food etc. whilst just serving to me one beer after another, it was then that I realised what a good person she was and that she was serious. I have always been welcomed to eat with the family however mother-in-law is in charge of the kitchen, it is her territory and any 'interference' is not welcomed, and mother-in-law's recipes do leave something to be desired. I am the one that was always asking to eat in restaurants and if M-I-L wanted to eat with me I would take her to the restaurant also. I have eaten at home with M-I-L & family on a number of ocassions though, like I say the food does leave something to be desired, and I normally just pick at the food whilst consuming vast quantities of alcohol. My wife would not invite me, to try to force upon me, to eat with the family because she appreciated that the food and recipes are not to my taste and it would have somewhat embarrassed her to 'force' this food upon me. Thus perhaps, just perhaps, there is a genuine reason why they prefer you to eat in a restaurant rather than at home! $50 or $60 for flower delivery, so what, it's not expensive and unless you're a mug it's not something you do every day, week or month, it should only be for special ocassions. Land of oz Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/1/2007 8:51:41 AM   I think there is a difference between yearning for small gifts or surprises and being a gold digger. A good FSU woman should not ask for money but all FSU women like little surprises and flowers. The cost of the flower delivery has nothing to do with the lady. She is receiving only flowers. The value comes when someone arranges for and delivers the flowers to her. If this is more than you can afford send her something in the mail. She doesn't want something big just a surprise to let her know you care. Women are not like cars - drive them when you need them and lock them in the garage when you do not. I can imagine the response you would get from a Western Woman if on the first date you explained to her that you wanted to see her cook and clean before taking her to your house on the second date. There are both advantages and disadvantages to a vacation other than her city. Personally I think the first meeting is in her home city or at least where one of you is familiar with. If it doesnt work out you do not have the whole vacation booked together. If you book an apartment she will probably do more cooking and domestic duties there than you will see in her home town. An Internet relationship is difficult from both ends. It is hard to completely trust that everything is real. I am sure that stingy men who are looking only for domestic work to be done are something the ladies caution each other about as much as the men do about gold diggers. ben2006 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/1/2007 9:21:23 AM   Martin, I agree with wanting to eat at restaurants and not eating the mother in laws food. Sometimes it can't be avoided but in such cases i make sure my wife goes and buys salads, meat etc from the supermarket and I make note where the food came from. Then I eat only the supermarket food. Last time I was there my wife mentioned we were going to go and eat and made damn sure it wasn't to the mother in laws place before I agreed. $50 is fair for flowers. Like Nadya said its the service you pay for. Truth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/1/2007 9:27:34 AM   anothermug, Think that is very easy to say “Truth you are a gold digger.” But not easy to try to understand women…. All women have certain imagine of relationship and especially how this relationship should be at the beginning..… no matter from what country a woman is and whether a guy is a foreigner or neighbor… ask all women on the earth, and they will tell you, that they want a man to present gifts and flowers…I do not speak about expensive things, but till 100 $ , or is it expensive for you? Even I can afford to make such a present to a man I like…or have feelings for…;-) I earn enough to have an opportunity not to depend on anyone, and I respect myself enough not to ask anyone for money, or to hint on presents… I really think that before writing that someone is a gold digger, better to think what you really want to get from relationship with Ukrainian/ Russian woman… I do believe that a man and a woman should meet at least 3 times before starting to make a fiancée visa… 1. at her home ( if you are not stupid you will see how much time she spends with you, and how she behaves with people around her….even with her interpreter) 2. Somewhere (will show whether she can rely on you, and you can see if she is on vacations just to spend your money) 3 at man’s place… so there she can cook for you, and help you around the house… Of course that is a long process and takes a lot of time……but it worth it… Land of oz Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/1/2007 12:02:22 PM   I would like to make one more comment about anothermugs post. Truth has come here and ask legitimate questions to help her understand what us men think. We can also learn much more from the ladies that post here than we can even from men who think they know how the ladies think. This is the real thing not a computer jockey telling tales. If every time a lady like truth opens up to us one of our members attacks her then we will not see their opinions anymore and the new members will be left to rely on the Internet Surfers for advice. Even if you disagree with something a lady says especially if it is said with respect as truth's post was please discuss the issue and leave the poster alone. There is absolutely no reason to try to make the poster feel lower than dirt. I personally (and I hope the whole forum echoes this)want to thank truth for making herself vulnerable in order to share information with us. And truth I hope you will realize you have an interested audience even if there is a radical remark or two. Truth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/1/2007 2:17:11 PM   anothermug, Think that is very easy to say “Truth you are a gold digger.” But not easy to try to understand women…. All women have certain imagine of relationship and especially how this relationship should be at the beginning..… no matter from what country a woman is and whether a guy is a foreigner or neighbor… ask all women on the earth, and they will tell you, that they want a man to present gifts and flowers…I do not speak about expensive things, but till 100 $ , or is it expensive for you? Even I can afford to make such a present to a man I like…or have feelings for…;-) I earn enough to have an opportunity not to depend on anyone, and I respect myself enough not to ask anyone for money, or to hint on presents… I really think that before writing that someone is a gold digger, better to think what you really want to get from relationship with Ukrainian/ Russian woman… I do believe that a man and a woman should meet at least 3 times before starting to make a fiancée visa… 1. at her home ( if you are not stupid you will see how much time she spends with you, and how she behaves with people around her….even with her interpreter) 2. Somewhere (will show whether she can rely on you, and you can see if she is on vacations just to spend your money) 3 at man’s place… so there she can cook for you, and help you around the house… Of course that is a long process and takes a lot of time……but it worth it… Land of oz Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/1/2007 6:02:30 PM   I read in one of the other posts about the fiery tempers that the FSU women possess. I do not see it. If anothermug had made a remark to the men who talked about the FSU women's tempers like he did to truth I will guarantee there would have been tempers flying. It is obvious that your questions were what if questions in the first place because your English is very good. Truth that is another nice post. The posts on this forum do not go up until the moderator reviews them so as long as you get the message that it will be posted then you were successful. On my browser if I get a wrong code error I can use my back arrow, refresh the code and resubmit without losing info. If my log in has run out I can use the back arrow then log in and use the back arrow again and resubmit without losing info but the first time it happens I would highlight and copy my text so I could paste it back if there was a loss. I use firefox instead of Internet Explorer so IE may be different. But you did a nice job even typing it twice. One thing I might mention on the third visit. In a country like the United States you would have to do the fiance visa in order to do the third visit. A couple questions for you truth. If you had to move to a different country not in the FSU to pursue your love and you could choose the country. Have you thought which country would be your first choice? and the second question if the country you had to move to was remote like One of the Americas or Australia how difficult would it be for you to get on that airplane to leave? beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/1/2007 7:30:46 PM   Truth...I can never get enough of your posts!!!! :))))) It was better reading the second time!!!! I like the 3 times in meetings... Me being the gentleman, have no problem sending flowers or small gifts to girls, hopefully after meeting. Showing you care is very important. Actions do speak much louder than words!!! Truth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/2/2007 6:53:22 AM   Hello! Land of oz, Thank you for giving me explanations how to use the site ;-) Yes I know that it is not possible for girls from FSU to come to the USA without fiancée visa, but think it is easier to European country. Anyway what I have written about 3 meetings is of course in general, because every situation has its own characteristics. I do not try to make a rule or influence someone’s opinion or change it…I tell what I think about internet dating, and relationship between 2 people from different countries… ;-) Land of oz Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/2/2007 9:47:30 AM   Hello Truth Thank you for the reply. I was not trying to say anything bad about your suggestions of three meetings. They are good and realistic if possible in the country the man is from. And the woman cannot make a final decision until she sees where she will live. You did not answer about which country you would pick so I will throw something out and you can comment on it if you want. Most American men think the US would be the country of choice. But I suspect it would be a ways down on the list for an FSU lady. Although if someone she loved lived there she would sacrifice for it. 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