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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Question about the "STAT" of a woman Author Post dakota99 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/5/2007 7:56:25 PM   I have a question about the "STAT" of a woman. Should women with very HI Stat numbers be trusted? More so than women with low numbers? 2nd what is a HI number? I have seen some up in the hunders that to me sounds like the lady is doind a lot of talking to a lot of men!!!!! nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/6/2007 6:22:23 AM   dakota, I wouldn't put much into the stat number. An agency can blitz guys with an email and if the response is a no thanks from a guy, that's listed as a letter and not necessarily someone she is communicating with. The introduction may not even been written or sent by the lady personally, but by the agency to stimulate interest in a girl. A girl could get into the hundreds literally in a days time, by not interested replys from guys. So I never put much stock into the stats issue. If you would like to communicate with her, do it. You will know in a short period of time if the communication is legitmate or not. The nice thing about fiance.com is they pay the agencys for translations, so you don't cough up a 5 dollar per letter fee some agencys may charge for communication. Which could be a scam in itself. dakota99 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/15/2007 7:24:06 AM   thanks nasfan6 for the information. I'm new to this whole Russain woman site thing . So do you have have more tips for a new comer? barfly1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/15/2007 3:49:30 PM   I do. Save your time and money and forget this whole thing. These girls are with agencies and unless you have direct contact information, you are certainly wasting your time. Your letters are most likely not being read and most likely not being responded to by the woman you think you are in contact with. I have been with this web site for a while and you do not have to pay for the translation but you are still in the cold and unmerciful hands of an agency whose only function in life is to make you part with your money. I have been in regular contact with approximately 6 ladies on this site for some time. When I recently wrote them all and told them I apologize for not writing back sooner in this instance because my father was recently diagnosed with a terminal illness and my life has been in chaos lately, EVERY single one wrote back how they were happy I was doing so well and a plethora of inane things. I am throwing in the towel and you should to. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/16/2007 6:30:23 AM   arfly, let me first say I can empathize with your situation. I went through the same thing 25 years ago this month exactly. Godspeed to you and your family. Dakota, though I would agree with some of the things barfly relates too, I wouldn't go to that extreme, but I can understand his feelings at his current time in his life. One he is correct, the agency brings no value at all except the day to day communications and it is what it is, a business. With that being said, when you find the girl or girls you may want to communicate with, I would start working on trying to sever her attachement to the agency. If she is going to be totally tied to the agency umbilical cord then it's time to move on to another. What the agency wants you to think is that you can not succeed with a lady without their help and influence and that's total BS. When I was looking towards making my first trip to Ukraine, I had weeded it down to three ladies. I had communicated with about 80 and most of them fizzled out for one reason or another. Many would not continue without the assistance of the agency doing everything for us, locating housing in Kiev, having the translator tag along for the 5 days and selling all the agency services for our meeting. It's not needed especially at the ridiculous prices they charge. You can find a translator in Kiev relatively easy, less than 10 bucks an hour, you don't need to feed or house them. I'm sure that agencys get kick backs from the apartments they recommend. If you use fiance.com or some other service that doesn't charge you for a per letter translation that's the best way. Though you should move to communicating away from the agency sphere of influence. Get her personal information, her address, cell number home number etc. If she is unwilling to do this at first, you can continue on, but if she holds out longer than a month or you are told the agency will not allow this information be given time to move on to another. This will help you to decide two things, one if she's serious about a meeting or is the agency controlling this for a monetary gain for themselves. I wrote via fiance.com with my wife and got her information rather easily, she wrote back to me in a letter that her address and phone number wasn't a state secret, I knew she was interested and serious in her search. Plant the seeds of meeting alone and how you plan on doing this. Most serious women will look at you as being "clever" with your money and not being a cheapskate. I always like how they use the word clever. Detail the plan and explain why you are doing this. Why you don't want the agency influence, but remember to do this away from your communication via the agency. Most of these ladies have some limited exposure to English. My wife and I communicated with the use of dictionary in our phone conversations and when we first met, it was difficult but fun also. Chances are, the lady you are communicating with knows someone who will be willing to help them translate phone conversations. They have a friend or a friends child that speaks english. We used on of her friends to communicate early and I made sure when I went to Mariupol to visit her, I made sure I had a small gift of appreciation for her friend. On the issue of gifts, real honest Ukrainian women won't accept monetary assistance. They have too much pride in their ability to support themselves. You don't have to shower the real ones with extravagant gifts, that's not why they are there. Simple things like flowers and cards make a huge impact with them, at least it did with my wife. I think the most expensive gift I ever got her before I gave her an engagement ring, was a personal CD player for about 50 bucks. She still has it today and uses it when she works in the yard at home. They won't take you on expensive shopping trips in Kiev. The good ones will want to show you their home country and heritage and history. We spent more money on tours, visiting various historic sites in Kiev than we ever did shopping there. My most expensive trip was on my third or fourth visit when we stayed at the Kichkine hotel in Yalta and had a great vacation in Crimea. No shopping done there at all. We did more shopping in Mariupol than anywhere else, and it was motivated by me because I knew she needed certain things, she never asked for them. She complained that I was being extravagant buying Shrimp in the grocery store in Mariupol because it was so expensive. The funny thing their food was on the same price level as in the states so I understood why she thought it was expensive on her income. It boils down to common sense. If in your communications, she doesnt' answer specific questions you ask, or doesn't ask important questions to you, then she's probably not real serious and you might think about focusing your attention somewhere else. I mean really, what woman who is contemplating moving thousands of miles away isn't going to ask specific questions about your lifestyle, culture your job etc. You don't have to answer down to the dollar in your bank account, investments and how big a house you have, but she should ask intelligent questions for a woman who is thinking about such a life altering move. I told my wife I was an average middle class american, where I lived, how I lived, my philosophy on life and marriage, my values I held in life. I was lucky. Of the final three I was talking to, Fiance canned one of the agencys in Kiev as operating in a suspicious way, the second freaked out in a letter to me regarding not calling her on her birthday, when she never gave me her cell phone number, when she told me she didn't have one, so I wrote her off, that left me with Larissa. I am not of the thought that you should go visit many ladies on a trip. Whether that's right or wrong, that's just me. It worked for me. If your meeting didn't go well, you have many opportun nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/16/2007 6:31:47 AM   to contact other ladies on your trip. I was intent on being focused on my meeting with my wife and dedicating my time and energies towards her. If it wouldn't have worked, so be it, but I wasn't going to be in a hurry or disingenuous to her knowing I had something else going on the side. So dakota99 my synopsis, nothing is etched in stone, no one way is the correct way, except what will work for you personally. Take a bit from everyone here and try to mold it to your personality and what you know will work for you. Good luck and I wish you all the success in the world, because if you are successful and there are no guarantees, it will be the most rewarding experience in your life. I consider my wife a gift from God, and she is no way like some of the women that get portrayed in this forum by some of the guys who failed or never been there at all, that just post their misery to deter others from becoming successful. Billo Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/16/2007 5:49:47 PM   nasfan6 You have summorized this experience the best I have heard. All the men here should pay close attention to what you said. It is almost a perfect copy of my own experience. My wife lived on the southwest edge of Mariupol, near the park where that MIG is displayed, just off Lenin street. By the way, did you see the Perchersk-Lavra? is it not awesome? Billo Land of oz Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/16/2007 7:50:37 PM   I agree nastan6 that your post was very well written and I am still looking so I do not have your experience. One thing I might add especially for you guys that are divorced and I realize that when American women get next to divorce lawyers they turn into really evil beings but the most difficult part is not finding and marrying a woman. The difficult part is maintaining a loving relationship for the rest of your life so that this one does not sit down beside that divorce lawyer. If you have not read books on the differences of how men and women think and what they need to maintain love and happiness I would suggest this. Chances are that although she started as a beautiful lady and then turned into a witch the first failed marriage was partly your fault. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/16/2007 8:08:45 PM   Billo, Yes I did see Perchesk-Lavra in Kiev along with St. Sophias cathedral. One of the first things we did together was go to St. Sophia's so she could get a scapula of her Patron Saint Larysa. I have a picture by that Mig in Mariupol, my mother in law lives on Prospect Lenina, about two blocks away from Lenins statue. Mariupol is a steel town, not much going on, you can find things to do, there's a pretty excellent coffee shop not far from the Opera house there. I found my time in Ukraine to be completely enjoyable and learning more of the history. The WWII museum is pretty interesting when you learn why it is there. It kind of sent chills down my spine just being there. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/17/2007 9:07:01 AM   Oz all divorces are both parties fault. I use to reflect on mine and think were I failed. Though living with an alcoholic is the most difficult thing I've ever done in my life. I used to think maybe it was because I was over zealous about my business being successful that I lost track on what was really important in life. I don't remotely make the money I used to but I have found that there are things in life that are more important. I'm more happy now than ever, though that has a lot to do with the partner you have in life. Finding that person who puts as much as you do in a relationship. I know I'm lucky now. I have never been with someone who has supported me like my wife does now. I've never lived with someone who has put me first in their life. It's humbling at times and I have to stop to reflect why I am so lucky now. Maybe it isn't luck, maybe it's because we both work hard towards each other. There is nothing in my life now that is more important than the lady I'm married to. Nothing more important to me than that every moment her life is perfect, no matter what I may have to personally sacrifice. The thing of it is, she has the same philosophy. I'm not used to that, but it sure is an incredible feeling. Everyday now is perfect, no matter how bad my day goes, I know I'm coming home to someone that is going to make it better just by her existence in my life. I watched my parents who were average Americans, but their love and support for each other was something I had never experienced in my life until now. They understood their roles in the family and they didn't shirk their responsibilities towards that goal. That's what made me search in the FSU. I knew that my culture had changed so much that it would be difficult to find such a person. Oh, they exist but they are long taken up by a smart man. When someone says you can't find such a relationship in Ukraine, I say bullshit. Their culture dictates such a thing. That's why I didn't look for a lady 15-20 years my junior. The sad thing is westernization will eventually catch up and ruin Ukraine, it already is with the younger generation there, and the idiotic influence of Hollywood which produces a false image of what real life in America is. I'm 49 and my wife is 46, she's beautiful both inside and out. She's cultured, articulate and smart as hell. She's brought things to my life that are totally different than what I'm used to. She gave up so much to be my wife. I think that's what a lot of guys don't understand here. She left everything behind that she knew all her life for love. Search hard and smart. There are many women like this in Mariupol. I met many of my wifes friends and their attitudes and outlook on life are similar to hers. The old birds of a feather philosophy. It takes a lot of hard work and some luck along the way. Badpenny Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/17/2007 10:05:25 PM   HI Nas, "I've never lived with someone who has put me first in their life" You mention this glorious bit of information.... So that means that any children or parents needs are not at the top? You are indeed a lucky man, congratulations to you both. I am still optimistic in my venture into the FSU, and when someone writes just one line like that well it is encouraging. Thanks. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/19/2007 8:33:27 AM   Badpenny Contrary to some popular opinions here, my wife puts "Our family" first. It's a very humbling experience for me. It's the first time in my life and I was married before that I'm not looked at as just a meal ticket. She shows concern about everything that affects my life, from health issues to my day to day happiness. I can only speak of Ukraine and what I've learned, that many men there take advantage of this attention. It's easy to understand since there are plenty of beautiful women walking around there. Still it doesn't make it right. Living in the me,me philosphy of the states and this has permeated into many of the women here. I feel I'm living the life my parents had. I had envied there marriage for years because it wasn't what I had experienced in my life. Whole different set of rules now. Then I meet this incredible woman. I have the life now my parents had. I understand how they stayed married all those years and dedicated their lives to each other and their raising of me. It isn't a one way street, she puts in as much as I do in the relationship. She believes men and women have certain roles to play to make the family strong. My parents have long passed on. Her mother is the only one alive now. We help momma out, but there is not an expectation to it. We send her nephew gifts for his birthday and Christmas. We don't send or is it required to send $500 dollars a month as someone else wrote in here. I went into this search with little expectation. I didn't feel the need to search for someone 20 years my junior to inflate my own ego and to walk around with a clothes hanger on my arm. What I did find was an incredibly beautiful woman, who had experienced many of the life situations I had. She's intelligent and articulate, even if English is her second language. She has an inner strength from her living conditions that I haven't found in many women anywhere. She won't crumble under the slightest amount of pressure and if she is having a bad day she doesn't need to reach for a pill or call her therapist because something bad happened in her younger years. She is my rock and she motivates me everyday just by being in my life. She expresses gratitude for the smallest things done for her. She's a tireless worker. Our home has went through some radical changes, molding the American house into the European style house. She has worked just as hard as I have. She carrys her weight and expects nothing in return except a honest and loyal husband. I may have found one in a million, but just that chance is worth searching for. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Question about the "STAT" of a woman
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