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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > The Taste of Defeat! Author Post yorkie67 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/18/2007 5:23:23 AM   Ok, well some of you may remember I started a thread a few months back asking for thoughts on what percentage of Ukraine women were genuine. Sadly, I write this from my latest (and last) Ukraine escapade, quest, call it what you will. This will be my last trip to Ukraine. I no longer see any point in continuing. I really believe that I may as well try and find The Holy Grail, Lord Lucan or perhaps seek to find Elvis driving round the moon on a red London bus. For each of those challenges is far easier than the quest of actually finding a genuine, honest Ukrainian lady. I believe it is a challenge I am not capable of. The only reason I would continue with such a quest would be to put a scrap book together of all the different excuses given by the ladies for not meeting up and see if I could fill it! Wow, this time I even had 2 on one trip get struck down all of a sudden by fever and I have only met 2 "carefully vetted" ones this time. Perhaps someone should put me into quarantine to save anyone else getting a fever! They say what a wonderful first impression you have made, how handsome you are, etc, etc, etc. What a load of horse sh1t. So I will return home a beaten man, I accept defeat. I have answered my own question. My answer is that the figure lies somewhere between 0 and 1 % only. The quest is too great and comes at too heavier price. In life I have never liked accepting defeat, but there are times when acceptance is necessary to save further losses, emotionally, financially and in time. In the past I have taken a week to see one girl and her not avail herself of her presence until the last day or 2, I have had no-shows, lies, deceit and above all disrespect. Disrespect is the key word here and it exists in abundance over here. I will not go on any further, I may give a few more final thoughts on my return, but for now I just offer you this as my thoughts. BTJames Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/18/2007 11:20:29 AM   yorkie . i dont frequent this forum too often now but your thread caught my attention. i agree and sympathise with your observations.I have been to visit ukraine on 3 seperate visits so i am not an expert on these women. But I can not quite fathom why they do not respond to praise and compliments very well, in fact they seem to respond some what sarcastically as if with not interested despite appearing eager at the start. I can not understand why they like to argue after a week or so about trivial things. My own reasons for going to ukraine was to escape the drunken dog women here in Manchester u.k whom even well into their 35 plus years drink to oblivion. In ukraine i got plenty of attention from sober twenty something ladies-its just their jekyl and hyde temperament i can not cope with. GeminiDreams Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/18/2007 11:57:59 AM   I met my girl on second trip. Been together 3 years. Im well past being handsome and she is young and attractive. Maybe you just dont know where to look or looking for wrong thing. kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/18/2007 5:41:48 PM   Yorkie, we or they have created this billion dollars business, agencies. money and sincerity really dose not go together. money has created everything you have come up against. someone will replace you. and him. just interested have you tried Russia or thought of it? i have about turned after seen a bit of what you mentioned in Ukraine. more so to understand the mentality of the people from other regions. wasn't overly taken by what floats on the surface there in Ukraine. its like anything Yorkie we have to skim off the top to see whats underneath, trouble is how big of a spoon do ya need. but anything involving dollars, what can you trust of it. beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/18/2007 10:27:42 PM   Sorry yorkie about your situation. This endevour is NOT for the unsure. If a couple trips to FSU countries doesn't work out on how you planned maybe this is not for you. I have no idea what you are looking for in girls,( the younger and 'hotter') girls are rather unreliable if this is what you were dealing with. I too have found a few 'busy' girls but I have well over 70% meetings....so I at least can find out how compatible we are....mostly it comes out not a match. I always have many girls to meet cause you have no idea what will happen, that is my process...it works for me. Maybe someday I too will not find my match in FSU countries, at that point I will try something else. Relationships is one of the hardest things in life to attain, it is difficult anywhere you go. The only thing that keeps me going is the thought of meeting my partner...a bright,beautiful(in my eyes)lady that makes me look forward to every day with her. I have to admit....those blue, green, grey, turqoise, blue-green( I could go on) eyes can bring any man to his knees!!!! :)))) dcv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/19/2007 11:02:42 AM   yorki which company agency did you use? maybe it was anastasia? yorkie67 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/19/2007 2:23:23 PM   Dcv - Anastasia, however did you guess?? Have used others before but same old, same old. Beemer, thanks for your reply, as I have said before, I respect your thoughtful comments on most things. This is now my fourth trip to Ukraine, so although not a veteran in Ukraine terms, I have given things what I think a pretty decent shot. I never go for anything less than 23,(I am still in my 30's) and consider myself still a reasonable catch. Hmmmm, maybe I had better reconsider that one based on recent experiences! However, your comments about those eyes etc, does remind me what the quest is all about. I know that in my heart I have conceeded defeat, but the "drug" almost, of finding "the one" is the only thing that will change my stance. Yes I have felt myself melt a few times over here looking into those eyes. But it does not take away the fact, that to most girls in Ukraine, it is either all a game to them, or all about taking a shot "For a Few Dollars More"! I have been all round the world and to some pretty obscure places, but I shall say again, I have never encountered such disrespect as in Ukraine. It makes me feel sad. yorkie67 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/20/2007 9:06:25 AM   Gemini Dreams. Can you send me a little of your luck mate?? I like to think I still bring enough to the table, but best of luck to you if you have found one after only 2 trips and well done. After 4 trips into Ukraine, I see only other countries calling! dcv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/20/2007 10:36:31 AM   yorkie with all due respect i am not surprised you feel defeated having to deal with anastasia.com. Check the threads on this forum or put anastasia into google and you will find they have an truly awful reputation. Nando Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/20/2007 7:15:13 PM   Man that thought of defeat is common to many of us. I met a wonderful woman in my second trip but I was going to change the search method completely. I run an ad in Kherson and I was going to meet more then 12 women in a week instead of spending more time and money corresponding. I still think this is the best strategy to find a life partner and would do this way if I was starting from the beggining. I think you should really give yourself a last opportunity and try this method. Stay two or three weeks and don't stop meeting women until you find a compatible one. rjfot Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/20/2007 9:21:32 PM   To be brief and to the point I have been to Ukraine, Russia and Latvia multiple times. I married a woman from Odessa in Las Vegas 6-05. She left without warning 1-16-07 taking all her clothes and my 2006 Toyota Solara. I was served with a restaining order three days later alleging "I starved her, beat her and injected her with poison to make her crazy". I hired an attorney to defend myself against these TOTALLY fabricated allegations at a cost of $4500. The judge would not issue the R.O. as she had not any facts or supporting evidence. I filed for divorce and I have been forced to pay not only my attorney but hers as well as she has no job and cannot support herself. I have been stuck with $2000 a month spousal support and her attorney is after my retirement and anything else he can get. I di nothing wrong but love my wife AND support her son and family in Ukraine to the tune of $600 a month. I also bought her son a car for $8000. This is California juris prudence at its finest! Gentleman beware1 GET A PRE NUP!!!!! beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/20/2007 11:00:29 PM   Yorkie.....I have been with anastasia for only 2 months but have not had problems yet. I met 1 of 2 girls I wrote to on last visit. My friend met with 3 of 4 girls he was writing to. The ones we didn't see gave excuses( I think), anyways maybe you should focus on something different, such as maybe a girl not as beautiful. If I was your age, maybe I would feel like you....I know in my letters I try to figure out girl as best as I can and do very well in getting a meeting with them. Who asks for meeting?? I now try to get meeting within 2-3 months, especially on anastasia with the pay per letter, I am like an airlane....overbook...I don't always see every girl, I might find a nice one and stay with her. This is a two way situation, just like a girl comes up with excuses, so can the guy. This past trip my friend was seeing girls on alternating days, he was in control on when he was available, I thought it was a mistake but girls just wanted to see him...whichever day. He opened my eyes when he told me girls responded more to him when they thought he would not see them. Food for thought. I did read here one time that girls want a guy that is not passive. When I met with girls, I told them I would be friends the next day. They never asked me about other girls and I was not about to offer. What is funny....my friend while with one of the girls was seen by the other.....she said something to him about who is that girl...and he just walked away. The girl he was with asked who that girl was...he said I don't know, she must have thought he was someone else. Seeing more than one girl in same city can be hazardous. Badpenny Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/21/2007 12:37:19 AM   Rjfot, $4500? Consider yourself VERY lucky. Smile instead. I am in in an abyss, add a few zeros. $2000 a month for a couple years is nothing compared to what it could be. Just be glad it isn't beyond the 10 year rule and a long term marriage where you could get stuck for lifetime support. Be glad the relatives did not come and you signed the AOS and they are in the hospital at your expense....Where is she getting funds to pay her attorney? Did the court order you to pay them? Hope not. My atty fees are $xxx,xxx. Divorce laws are severely out of date and lopsided. The whole "Divorce industry" is designed like any business to perpetuate it's existence... expert witnesses, forensic accountants, etc. Just imagine if you were bombarded with nonsense "discovery" demands like many lawsuits. All the best man, just move on as fast as you can. Deano Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/21/2007 2:21:08 AM   Hey Beem I'm just curious. How did you manage to meet your girls from Anastasia web? Their policy is to not allow the exchange of personal contact information in the letters. This in turn forces you to use their phone tranlation service where they do allow the exchange of personal information. A few years back I tried this service and the girl wouldn't give me her personal contact information stating she would like to get to know me better in the letters first. Lol. What a set up to milk more money out of me. I cut all ties with them and closed the account. DavidUSA Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/21/2007 6:45:23 PM   Holy ****...rjfot. Sorry to hear about your nightmarish experience. It's stories like yours that keeps me in retirement from the foreign bride game. beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/21/2007 8:29:42 PM   Dean...you are right, I only got contact info on phone call and I made sure it was only 10 minutes. I usually write for a couple months then tell them I was thinking of going to Ukraine and if they want to meet, then ask if she wants to share her contact info in a phone call. I have never had a girl not give it to me. You are right, I do not write to girls very long on anastasia...it is food for getting ripped off. It is very hard to get so many letters from very beautiful girls and have to pick and choose which ones you think are sincere, I am overwhelmed at times. David...you still hanging around....How is your 'domestic' bride thing going?? :))) DavidUSA Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/21/2007 9:45:56 PM   beemer18, Thanks for checking in. The "domestic" thing ain't workin'. Every woman that ranges from average looking to Playboy material has a rock on her finger. I've thought about visiting places like Costa Rica, Peru and Colombia maybe next year. For now, it's just thoughts. rjfot Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/21/2007 10:09:19 PM   Thank you for your support BADPENNY and DAVIDUSA. I shall fill all of you in with more of the lurid details when I have time. To answer BP YES I have to pay for her attoney as well as mine. Isn't that special? anothermug Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/22/2007 2:39:29 AM   Yorkie is 100% right and I am in the same leaky lifeboat. I can’t get away from here soon enough, and am leaving in December. I have now lived in Ukraine for 8 months and have had much disrespect, rudeness, no shows, tricks, games and general lies and deception. Though I have also had some fun and amusement. I was rarely scammed as this is the 6th time I have been here. I found a few ladies where things looked promising for a while. I at last found one with a job that works 7 days and makes lots of money. She is short and solid, whereas I am tall and slim. I am quite a bit older than her so I thought things were evenly balanced. She seemed strongly attracted to me and liked to help me and do things for me, other than cook. Wrong! In the end she is just another Ukrainian. She is annoyed that I did not give her cash so she could have a day off. Even though she would be putting my money into her already substantial savings. She makes enough money in one or two days per week to support her needs and her mother and grandmother. For the amount of money required to pay for her days off, I could have a hot, taller, slimmer and younger one. In effect, she is asking for me to pay for her to spend time with me. If she cared about me, she would make the time without wanting any payment. Guys, you come last on the list of priorities of most Ukrainian women. First themselves, then children if any, parents, local young boyfriend, other relatives, clothes, material possessions, job, friends, maybe God in 1% of cases, finally Joe Schmuck - you - the walking Western wallet with ears from Bumphuck, Idaho. If I ever come again, and I hope not, I will spend more money and rent a hot one from the get go. But even then they behave in a rude and nutty way. I know a Western guy in his 60’ in Kiev who spends big money and easily snares very attractive hot young ones. He invariably throws them out of his home, usually within a matter of weeks as they are so rude to him. Most girls here don’t know a good thing even when they have it. Deep down, they prefer to be miserable. It feels normal to them. True love - forget it. Better to find it next door in your own suburb, not in another culture with a different language and mind set. Especially with a big age gap. Love cannot be bought, but it can be rented for a while. Sorry to hear about those guys being bled by divorce lawyers and punished for trusting a Ukrainian female. Me too, my turn might come. I kicked mine out of my house within two years, so it will not cost me an arm and a leg. Maybe just an arm. If you marry anyone with less money than you, get a prenup as rjfot told you. In my case, my health deteriorated while married to this hot Ukrainian female to the point that I ended up in hospital. As soon as she left, my health recovered very quickly Badpenny Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 11/22/2007 8:46:10 PM   Amug... Well that really sucks. You wrote, I numbered the list: " 1. First themselves, 2. then children if any, 3. parents, 4. local young boyfriend, 5. other relatives, 6. clothes, 7. material possessions, 8. job, 9. friends, 10. maybe God in 1% of cases, finally Joe Schmuck - you - the walking Western wallet with ears from Bumphuck, Idaho. " This venture you took, is what I am planning to do soon, not necessarily only in the Ukraine though... How many different girls did you date and what percentage put you at #10? Wasn't anyone willing to put you at least 2 or 3? Relationships where the man is put down the list won't work. Women who do this only ruin their relationships in the long run. Did you date anyone in mid to late 30's? Any better? Worse? I assume these were all in their 20's. The lease or rental option must be reserved for ho's and golddiggers though- no need to travel for that, thats easy enough here in the U.S. I'd like to believe that decent girls would not have these high expectations. 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