Hi, this is not a negative post but to see if people who come here have had experience with credible, honest, affordable internet investigation services such as detective services based in the FSU that run beleiveable background checks on FSU women to see if the woman is honest or not.
Make no mistake, you can't trust someone you meet on the internet from the FSU and other countries too ( not just picking on FSU countries ) because scammers and liars are everywhere but when its with the FSU there is a lot of expense involved and time too and you can't risk it on the real possible chance you have encountered a scammer, liar or gold digger on the internet and where for the sake of your own protection ( financial and emotional ) background checks need to be done before even contemplating a personal visit.
With all the negativity said about FSU women ( even from women from there own countries such as Lyudmilla ) can you really afford to take the chance and risk heartache without a background check run by someone who is honest and affordable on girl you ahve only meet on the internet and know nothing about ( only the words she writes too you which could be utter lies and deception!).
with deception of these agencys and women you are referring to, has of cause created more agencys to counter react the first problem,, so now some employ some sick facks who enjoy sniffing you know where and he gets paid for it,,,
Aussie,, i have thought about this road once, in the beginnings, but if you think you need such then really its time to find another lady, "how true this is"
really liars just cannot cover there tracks well,
or do their best to keep you off such subjects they don't want you to go down.
i have noticed from been in this game for a little time now you learn whats sincere and whats not, it isn't that difficult, but i think time has only given me this.
i guess for beginners its always a thought,, they are always in to much of a hurry,,
been in a hurry is good if you know what you are doing.
but one cannot hurry in this type of search.
no detective can tell you how sincere your ladys heart is..
i guess there will always be people who cannot think for them selves.
There is such a thing as 'romance' and there is such a thing as entering into something as if it is a business arrangement.
So if a guy hires a detective or whatever to check out a lady before he even sets foot out of his own country in the direction of FSU and they subsequently date and perhaps marry at what point will he tell her that she was considered 'guilty until proven innocent' or will he always keep it a secret thus always being less than honest with his partner?
Lot of expense involved? What price, what budget, can one put on finding 'that' ideal life partner? Bearing in mind there is one individual around here, mentioning no names but he is from Australia and has a craving for McDonalds, KFC & pizza's, that has done plenty of letter writing, plenty of sending money to ladies he has never met, plenty of reading the internet and/or watching video's, but has he ever even booked himself a flight or flights to FSU?
Obviously too 'scrooge' or simply can't afford it :)
Martin, I am not "internet active" looking for a partner for past 6 months.
I have been down the foreign bride road once before and married one and divorced.
Weighed the pros and cons and said, no, its not the way to go anymore...no girl from any country outside Oz.
Australia's immigration rules are a nightmare, there the worst in the world now I think for fiance visas for foreign brides, impossible, bureacratic,very expensive and time consuming with more rejections than successes ( and you don't get the $2000 back, the approx cost of a fiance visa application if its rejected and they reject far more than they grant and its well known our immi dept. is biased against FSU women )
Over seas girls from the FSU and other poorer countries are too motivated by greed and money, the dream of the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, its use the man to get what they want and then fook him!
I don't think real true love exists anymore, not with modern women from anywhere, no marriage lasts anymore, its all about money and how much the woman can screw you over in a property settlement and the laws here that allow 75% plus of your assets to be taken from you when love goes sour!
When you have been badly bitten once, why expose yourself again!
Martin, "considered guilty until proven innocent", interesting little phrase which I am starting to feel should apply to all FSU women. Sorry for being a little negative, but either I am just very very very unlucky in who I have met or they are actually representative of what FSU women are reall all about.
After several visits to Ukraine, a trip to Latvia dn Lithuania, I am almost convinced that to find a genuine and honest russian speaking lady is all but impossible.
On my latest trip to meet with a Lithaunian (Russian) lady, I was met at the bus station only to be hit with the old classic taxi scam, saying she had told me she was going to come by taxi etc, etc. Well, I calculated what it should have been and it was a direct scam to kick off with, charging 4 times what the real cost would have been. the menacing taxi driver had an arrangement with her and her friend. Needless to say I was not going to spend any more time with her after that disgusting and unpleasant welcome!
Then to add insult to injury, another Anastasia no show took place with what in my opinion is now a totally discredited company. There is no one with an honest bone in that whole outfit. I really dont have any trust in contacting ladies off that site anymore.
So going back to the thread of getting hold of reputable investigation agencies. Basically if they are on Anastasia, you dont need to do one. Assume that all the women there are crooked until proved otherwise.
(Beemer I know you have had plenty of encouraging meetings with Anastasia ladies, I just dont know how you have managed it). I have had so many negative experiences, that I just no longer believe that it is worth contacting any of them on that dishonest and disreputable site.
Perhaps that's the problem, you went for a 'foreign bride' rather than a foreign girlfriend that might lead to something more permanent, you've obviously, like so many others, being reading too much 'bride' crap.
Why would you be seeking a Russian, rather than English or whatever, speaking lady in Latvia or Lithuania, their languages are Latvian and Lithuanian, not Russian! Whilst I travel to Latvia and speak, on occasions, my 'pigeon Russian' one shouldn't be too surprised if one gets one's head kicked in for speaking the 'hated' nation's language!
And please don't think of the Baltic States as the same as 'regular' FSU countries, that would be comparible to referring to most European countries of WWII as 'German' countries. Baltic States were countries that were occupied by a country that was far from welcome and as soon as the USSR crumpled those countries began to prosper whereas the 'natural' FSU countries are still in the 'third world' except perhaps parts of Russia.
If you are going to hire a detective or do a background check, you don't tell any lady that you are doing it or done it.
I am talking about here doing back ground/investigative checks of foreign women ( especially Russia and Ukraine girls ) that you have only meet on the internet and not in person BEFORE planning a personal visit to the FSU to avoid the large expense and time involved and the great potential the girl is a scammer, liar, gold digger or misrepresented or fake!
We are talking about address verification, date of birth verification, name verification and information on her life ( previous marriages, boyfriends, her lifestyle,covert surveillance ) in order to uncover liars, discrepancies, scammers and fakes!
YOU CAN NOT TRUST THEM...any one that does is naive to say the least.
Feedback in here on trustworthy, reliable and affordable investigative services operating in the FSU or USA etc.( having contracted P.I's in FSU ) maybe helpful to some guys contemplating going down the FSU bride road and in internet contact with an FSU girl.
Background checks are not a guarantee against scammers but they will uncover fake women, married women ( who are playing games to scam men ) and women with fsu boyfriends, fake addresses etc. and you can get a current photo of what she looks like now, not the 10 year old photos or super makeover photos a lot of FSU girls use in internet agency profiles!
Often 35 year old girls put photos of them at 25 years old in profiles or there really touched up with Adobe Photoshop software, pirated,popular software in the FSU.
You don't want to waste your money and time meeting an old babooshka who misrepresents herself as a 25 year old model women in agency photos, this crap has actually happenned to western guys who have gone to the personal visit stage and meet an old hag!
Background checks from a reputable source, give some insurance of protection against the scam and lies.
Good input here is needed.
I am not going down the foreign bride road anymore, I have no patience or time for it or to deal with cultural and language barriers, like I did with my first MOB ex-wife.
Most FSU girls way over state there English language ability in profiles, many can only utter a couple of English words...love without a common language of communication can not exist..who can be fooked doing this.
Thakx Scotty....my head is swelling as I read!!!!!!!!!!!!! I still think u r jealous!!!!! :))))
Yorkie...I don't know if I'm lucky or just pick the girls that end up being honest, I certainly don't trust their agencies or anastasia, we agree there. Maybe your picking wrong girl in what you look for, maybe your not reading their letters correctly( missing the bad signs), I don't know. To me meeting is not the problem, it is after meeting you find out if they are a golddigger or just a 'dater' but hopefully they want to find out if you are compatible, that is all I really ask for. I don't know if I would ever go to Latvia, none of girls I ever spoke to there seemed to be into it(interested in you), not much in way of positive attitude( I don't mean saying I love you in second letter).
As far as hiring a detective, it would cost about $1000 and it is not full proof. Almost same cost as flying there I seeing her for yourself!! Why hire one to investigate a girl you are talking to...I speak with around 20 at any given time....they are all work in process, maybe I can see it if you and girl are serious and considering the 'next' step.
Aussieman has never been to FSU and I have to say that despite being trained to kill these people at one stage in my life I have to say that they are amongst the most nicest people that one could ever wish to meet.
But according to Aussieman, who has never attempted to travel there, they're all a bunch of thieves and villians and whilst I've heard some chat-up lines in my time 'darling, I'm having you investigated' is not one of them :)
Aussieman, why do you keep doing this to me? I've got to go to the bathroom now before I piss my pants ..... again :)
Before you eat one of your Big Mac's, out for dinner with the lady you have 'detective checked' of course, in FSU are you going to have the McDonalds franchise checked out to ensure you're receiving the correct amount of colesterals?
I wrote a serious post yesterday for this thread but it must have violated the sits rules and I am not going to rewrite it or write another serious one but A couple evenings ago I watched a movie called "Lilya 4-Ever" about a young soviet girl that got left to fend for herself when her mother went to America with her boyfriend. I guess The International Organization for Migration has shown this film to 60,000 viewers to try to make aware of and stop the sale of human beings. Maybe the ladies over there need to pool their money and hire a hide, sneak, and peep guy to check you out.
Licensed to kill, now I'm rolling on the ground. Another of the "Ex Military from the Cold war stories." Medal of Stupor winner from the "Battle of Guinness.Sounds like the only thing you can kill with any regularity is a pint of Ale. I've never had to get loaded prior to meeting a woman. Hell most in Ukraine and Russia don't have to look to far to find some stumbling drunk. Why waste time on a foreigner that provides the same.
I wonder if you have to run a background check on the detectives? I mean these women didn't create dishonesty. You reap what you sow, so if you're not honest enough to tell them you had them screened you are being deceitful yourself. I agree with Beemer, you can do that yourself, also you can qualify who you meet, though when you send women you never met money and gifts you are just enabling the process. You get what you deserve.
'Licensed', must be that another doesn't understand English, if anyone can see such a word 'licensed' in my previous post then please speak now, in reality it is just another one distorting another's post(s) in the belief that he is making himself look good thus superior to others.
Yes, one hell of a cold war story, all of about three to five words even vaguely associated with the subject, that's one hell of a story, I must try to improve in the future!
And for the idiot amongst you Guinness is not Ale, I'm sure that most of you know that but, as they say, 'there's always one'!
Your turning a serious thread into joke, Martin. This is supposed to be about people putting some advice about background investigations that are cost effective and affordable.
A simple background investigation that is cheap and innocent is using a gift delivery service in the FSU that delivers flowers or sweets to a girl and verifies her address and her i.d and takes a cuurent photo of her which they e-mail to you.
I have heard of such services operating in the FSU, some run by dating agencies ( often over priced ) as well as others where it can be done for $100 usd or less ( flowers, address check for delivery, i.d check to receive and a current digital photo of her e-mailed to you taken when she receives your gift ).
Its a simple check to see if the girl is real and says who she says she is, where she is living before you make the leap to a personal trip ( you would only spend money on investigations only if you were very serious about the girl and wanted to visit her ) and this check can ensure she is a real person.
It can never ensure what her intentions are in her mind but it will weed out the scammers and the fakes, a lot of the time e.g attempted delivery of flowers and no such person lives at said address for delivery which often happens and therefore its an internet scam then and you drop it therefore saving a lot of money and time.
Also if the girl is real, you get a innocent check on her and she gets a gift from you which can only feather your nest and increase your chances but you never tell her the real purpose of sending the gift to her which was I.D check, Photo check and address verification..you tell her it was a gift from the heart, girls love to hear this!
You never send money, just a small gift such as flowers or chocolates or sweets with a greeting card delivered to her door in the FSU...its a very sweet gesture for a man to do that to them, they want the male chivalry!
Exhaustive background checks on women in the FSU on there personal life are very expensive and mostly impractical, a FSU private eye can't get a lot of personal info on the girl due to privacy laws, you would ahve to be a police officer involved in a criminal investigation of the girl, to access the real personal stuff, I have found out and covert surveillance of her for a few days will cost around $1000 usd where a P.I tails her and reports on her daily activities, which is probably home to work and then home again, which says nothing about her.
Seeing some of you guys here claim to be the "yodas of the fsu, the grand masters of the FSU and the women", why don;t you's move there, start a detective agency on-line and go around tailing the girls at an affordable price like $100 usd a day and drum up business catching all the scammers out and bitch slap them or take them in an alley and give them a bit of a hiding for there sins!
Things that can be legally and easily checked using a gift delivery service are her phone number, address, i.d and photo snap at delivery receipt.
Martin_FFC, you make an excellent point. The flowers to the address to check her ID scenario is old enough now to make the whole exercise a corny joke.
I’d think the girl would be more embarrassed than anything to have to have her photo taken in this way.
IMO if anyone has got as far as planning a trip to meet her and is still unsure of her identity they should call off.
Scammers never get as far as a meeting…its only the players that meet…and of course the sincere girls.
The point being: there are many red flags which are obvious in any relationship if you know what to look for.
Sending a girl flowers is a red flag for her.
My 2 cents worth..... I do not send flowers to girls for no reason, has to be a holiday or special day or girl would wonder why am I getting flowers. I have a company that can get phone#'s with delivery of flowers, I don't worry so much about pics...I get them in letters. If you pay enough attention to letters, there are signs of potential problems with a girl. I think phone calls is more important!!
I like to send flowers and if they do not like to receive them then they will just have to get over it. They should be asked it they will allow their photo taken and have the option to refuse as well as picking the delivery point. Most prefer to meet somewhere for the delivery rather than their home. It did sound like the last birthday delivery I had made just showed up at the apartment door unannounced as you said with a camera. Thank goodness it was for a dear friend who would forgive me for the intrusion.
And I agree the photo is not necessary but it is nice so you know the delivery was made and the money not just pocketed by a dishonest organization. Also from what I read in the book How to marry a girl like me; was that the main reason for rejection on the mans side is that the woman does not look like her photos on her profile. So to me it is important to have the right image in your mind when you meet. More current photos will help with this. If a woman posts her 20 year old photos on her profile and is 36 can you trust the rest of her information to be honest?