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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Ukraine-Club/Red-Rose-Club/Go-To-Ukraine Author Post John 42 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/13/2008 2:11:41 PM   Well everybody be warned about these places they nare all one in the same owned by a one Vasiliy Prokopchuk.This agency has nothing but pro-daters/Hookers working for them.How do I know this I was in correspondence with a lady named Julia Valyaeva for 9 months visited 2 times and then last year I saw her listed on a few sites well it turns out she had quite a few visitors and one of them ended up listing her.This is all after her telling me I was the only one she was writing I was sending her quite a lot of money to help her family and herself I was even sending the Western Unions to her mother when she could not pick them up.The above scam clubs allow the girls to write as many men as they want to if they do not answer then one of the manager/translators will write in their place.They practice this all the time it fattens up their wallets even by fsu standards this is bad.The head manager is none other than Yaroslav Kruts he is the one who picks up all the western unions for the gifts,translations,English lessons.He also goes by the yahoo chat name of mishka 1911 he wons the flats they rent now dosent this all sound like a scam? he is also Kiev Kiev and many other names look for him on apartments Ukraine.com and always if you are travelling there always ask for full names and who owns them be aware it is not good to lose your heart and soul in this manner I have pressed charges against all involved in civil court in Kiev this arrogant dickhead has his head so far up his butt he needs somebody to pull it oput and show him the way. Lyudmilla Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/13/2008 4:15:05 PM   John-How this man get head up butt? i have seen something near to same at travelling chinese state circus a single woman contortionist act,she get in to some extreme difficult positions but not this one position. kiwinorth Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/13/2008 6:37:23 PM   good luck john,, lets hope he doesnt pay off the judge. nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/14/2008 6:42:45 AM   Wow another guy who likes to send money. When will guys ever learn that you can't buy real Ukrainians, they real ones don't want your support. The real one's will be insulted with these gestures. The real ones know that relationships aren't based on dollars nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/14/2008 8:45:38 PM   I'm really beginning to wonder about what my father told me about the Australian Diggers he met during WWII. Intelligent strong men with guts he always told me. I met one of my Dads acquaintences Leo McNamare an he is nothing like these guys in the forum. I'm wondering with Danny and Aussieman what has happened to their offspring. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/14/2008 9:09:24 PM   And let nooga & vanechka not be forgotten! John 42 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/15/2008 12:16:40 AM   Hey Nasfan 6, This went on for 19 months and 2 visits I had no dam idea what she was doing I met all of her friends and family it looked serious enough to me I know money can never buy love well about 20 minutes worth.This place and her are going down bigtime I hired an attorney there quite a while back so we will see soon.Hello Luda he has his head up his butt because he thinks that is where it belongs somebody needs to pull it out and re-insert it with no lube.I am hoping my attorney is as good as she says she is she is on my Embassys website but we will see.I am hoping I might start a trend and for the facts Nasfan I am no newbie this all happended last year I am just getting around to posting it here. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/15/2008 4:24:43 PM   John 42" "SUE THE B*STARD!" is an American mindset. Somebody cheats us - we think we will get even in a law suit. Biggest fattest wallet to pay an attorney with wins. Not so in most of the rest of the world. THEY think we and our lawsuits are funny. But good luck on this. Olga Moderator send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/15/2008 4:41:52 PM   John 2, I am on your side. it is bad what she did to you. but just first feeling: it is your your own fault. and I agree with nasfan, never send money. and normal lady wil never ask you to do so. well, the same stories happens in domestic dating too. will you sue every girl who dumped you? yes, she met many men. so what? she was doing her selection the same as you did probbaly. you learnt about her, too bad for her. and do not pay to the lawyer to much. then you will sue him when he looses:) John 42 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/15/2008 10:47:53 PM   Olga, I guess I should elaborate a little more about her she was working for those places writing the men and asking for non necessary English lessons and Translations.She also received gifts and every visitor she would receive money throught flat rental.The agency knew what was going on and encourages this practice.There is much more to this also and I will list it at a later date I just do not like anybody doubting my claim it sounds like somebody here is a little bitter and should not come to the wrong conclusion and say off the wall crap.Havent you people heard of civil court? well they do have those in Kiev also these a holes need to be made an example of they will just keep on doing what they are doing until stopped that is my whole point. John 42 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/29/2008 5:46:27 PM   Danny it was not a case of spending money for companionship it is a case of deception on her part and of the supposed translation agency.I visited her 2 times and the relationship was 19 months not 9 like I previously wrote And it is the scammers who are bad guys are just not aware and yes many ladies fall victim also.I will post results when they do appear in court and what happens there has been enough complaints about the scamming problem in the FSU countries all it takes is people to follow through with their complaints and do it right the first time and do not take it lying down like a spineless jellyfish.I might also add she had many other visitors there while accepting my financial help and telling me she loved me so what would you call this?also she went for the interview at the American Embassy right there in Kiev they are bad people who do not mind hurting people both mentally and financially.I miss the good old days when you could handle people like these in your own way. realsweetdeal Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/29/2008 11:40:55 PM   I think your losing you mind John. I can see you feel hurt and cheated. I think you are just going to have to take your lumps here. Don't waste any more of your money. Was there some kind of written contract? What she did is sleezy and unethical but what she did isn't even illegal in the US. Unless we are missing information. Being a slut, a tease and a liar isn't illegal. colin Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/30/2008 3:50:04 PM   Depending on the amount of money Id just let it go and say a lesson learned I wouldnt go and do face to face money can be earned but you only have one life. js Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/1/2008 12:43:10 PM   my quick two cents. john- what exactly is your attorney's legal complaint?? is it civil code or penal code?? has a complaint actually been filed already?? why are you so sure this person will be called to a court?? i am just curious as you havent provided any detailed information and i am wondering if you are falling into a legal fee trap. have you checked if you could be countersued for filing a false compalint?? you know the legal system in some countries is not very favorable for foreigners suing locals. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/1/2008 4:58:37 PM   John: Take the advice of the writers here. Its good. You are hurt and angry and anyone in your position would be. But chalk it up to experience. Its all you can do. You got taken. Simple as that. But life isn't always fair. And nobody ever promised us that it would be. There are some wrongs that cannot be righted in this world as there is no reliable mechanism for MAKING it right. Ah darn.... Keep your chin up and move on. Count your blessings. When I got ripped off in the FSU - I also received, among other things, a few kicks in the head. At least you didn't get THAT. Cuss and swear a little. Stomp your feet a few times. Then dust yourself off and move on. beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/1/2008 6:33:54 PM   Jet..you don't sound like a postal worker!! :))) Shoot first and ask questions later..... Bill54 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/2/2008 9:20:07 AM   This is one more example of agencies, web sites and well trained scam artists lying to men just to steal their hearts and wallets. It's sad there are so many trusting people in the world. Who was it? P T Barnum? Their is a sucker born every minute.... MIKE00 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/4/2008 12:23:28 PM   Nsfan you know what your post above the ''real ones '' never ask $ etc you are DEAD ABSOLUTELY RIGHT ! THE ONLY THING YOU FORGOT TO MENTION!!! IS THAT THE REAL ONES IN NUMBERS WOULD NOT FILL THE LOCAL SCHOOL BUS . And after touring 6 cities = we talking needle in the haystack hear ! guess what they all found pc's the last 6 years and have found its so dead easy turn a hard sensible man into a man stuck in the westy union office 3 hours a day scratching out westy unions to all and sundry . The poor guy top of this thread hey i hope he puts em all in jail 93 out of 100 are bandits ! WE ALL NEED A DINKUM CHECK OUT JOINT IN USSR thats there for us, check out our tarts 24/7 - i would be the first to support that as long as its run by westerners. Not pea brained Russians , whom would scam there own mother for $10 you know . What we need is exactly that over there a hard as nails regimented check out joint ! but its no good talking , we should join hands hear get off our arss and do it . I'd be the first bloke to toss $6k into the pot set one up ! who's a partner come on lads money up or shut up ! il wager a months earnings nobody i'd have the ball's hear to set one up ay --iam waiting !!! talk is cheep you know as folks keep losing there hard earned cash to the bandits . No sorry in 6 of ten cases you cant blame the blokes for sending a dollar we all did it! hell i know 1 chap sent over 13k in 4 months lost most yes yes yes but only because he had no poor basterd to trust and guide him at the other end . Don't tell me nasfan they aint got you for a dollar over the years !they got us all BAR NONE in 1 way or another its cost all of us , plane fares ( there is your first cost ) your paying and playing ''blind mans buff'' . So lets do something about it ! buy ourselves a nice little security agency at the other end ok nothings perfect but you dont know unless you try . COLIN your dead right ''depending on the amount of money lost you can right it off etc ! BUT AND ITS A BIG BUT ! Blokes like me hell i can think of 4 in my own city hear that between us all in like 4 years we would have lost a total of around 191k ( thats not counting air fares !) scary huh .( thats money thats lots of money ) __ you reackon the check out joint is needed ??????????? hey its years overdue ! mike00 ps not sure BILL i thought that was W.C FIELDS SAID THAT??? he also said yeah ! drove me to drink she did '' iam sure he was talking about a russian bird lol lol.. John 42 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/7/2008 8:39:22 AM   I give up on you scmucks she did this not only to me but many other men this club encourages such behavior and it is attitudes like yours why scammers are so succesful if more people took the initiative then it would certainly cutail their scamming activities. MIKE00 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/8/2008 12:35:54 PM   No if we had a checkup place to guide us to whats what then so many guys would still have there savings , the answer is simple you cant trust from this far away so you incorporate folks at other end to fullfill yours needs yes . SCammers are doing well because they are playing the heart strings, but if somebody stops them dead in there tracks at the other end with your welfare at heart, well then you dont have a problem do you . Some guys il send regardless of whats told to them of hot pants ! but most would take heed if told the truth yes . Up to us to enforce it - but you do need a correct office at other end , many guys ive spoken with off line agree its a ''sterling idea'' and most would happy pay $200 to find out if she's correct = i know i would ! id rather gamble $200 than $2000 ! What about you ? IAM NOT TALKING MARRIAGE AGENCY IAM TALKING PURELY CHECK UP THE BIRD OFFICE ! The thing is on this forum is - talks cheep ( if everybody had have talked about ww2 and not done anything) the basterd i'd still be going on yes . Its your loot ''frank as they say '' each in charge of own destiny . Just for the record i know 1 bird in st peters not a girlfriend just a very good friend starting up a business ive known her 8 years she needs a hand and had i a spare 15k right now i would send it to her - because i know with her i can trust with my very life but i dare say some dork on hear i'd say ''ohh dont help em fuggem'' - idiots !iam surrounded by morons . mike00 Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Ukraine-Club/Red-Rose-Club/Go-To-Ukraine
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