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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Is she for real Author Post man1970 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/16/2008 3:07:30 PM   Hello I got to know a girl for 3 weeks ago on a datingsite russianeuro, she contacted me she is 27 years old and comes from FSU.she had sent a email to me on the website, and I replied that I was tired of all the scammers she contacted me on the websites chatprogram and honestly was a bit upset that I took her for a scammer, she said that she wasnt, I said I give her my phone number, she phoned up the following day and said hi this is elena ,please phone me back, I did and we talked for 45 minutes ,she asked a lot of questions about my life, she told me about hers, she laughed , I laughed, afterwards only the day after she said that she enjoyed our conversation,and thought that even we talked so long it felt so short,she sent me photos of her ,ordinary photos, she is pretty, but not like a photo model. I am not so bad looking myself (not Brad Pitt but...) I am 10 years older than she is.a couple of days later she had got herself a cellphone as she said she would and gave me her number,so I phoned her, and she has always answered, smsed me ,but never said I love you, but said she is thinking of me and I make her smile. in one letter she said that she actually wished I was not so far away, So I answered and said maybe I could come and visit you,just to see her reaction, boy was I wrong she said she was so happy and that she to was going to have a long holiday easter and 1st of may, and she loved the idea of me coming and visit her. I still wasnt convinced so I asked her for her full name and adress and she hesitated, but answered me the following day with full name and adress, I sent her flowers, I sent it with a swedish floweragency so they wouldnt take any photos when she received them, later that evening she sent me an email with pictures of her holding the flowers and she really looks happy,and said she was glad to receive them as it was the first real sign that I liked her ,she sent the pictures without me asking for it. she has even made me a video where she talks to me ,even that without me asking for it. I said that I was going to kiev and wondered what connection flight I would take to get to her,she answered me the day after which time they departed and what the price was,she even said she could book a flight and pay for it so I just could collect the ticket when arriving to kiev,note she didnt ask for any money for that. She has always answered my questions,never asked for anything,given her full adress her full name,her phonenumber,never said she loves me,but that she really wants to see me,never said that she was a virgin. she has come true where all the scammers didnt, no hit on the internet on her name or email,the emailheader shows the right origin,I feel she is real, I do believe she is for real, I am just asking can I be wrong,any pointers would be apreciated,before I go and see her, could there be a hidden scam ? beeing so much scammers out there you never know Thunderdome Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/16/2008 3:27:33 PM   Man, sounds nice, and she really wants to see you it seems. What do you think you can loose - some money on a holiday you're going to have in any event? There's no such thing as sure things, I'd just go and meet here - if YOU want that at least, you actually do not mention this at all? man1970 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/16/2008 4:48:08 PM   Of course I want to meet her but after reading about all scammers and the different way they operate,you get suspicious,and yes there are no sure thing I give you that,sometimes you just have to trust your feelings,ok if I get burned ,but then again who knows, you can get burned and scammed in your home country aswell. Kirkland Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/16/2008 5:02:37 PM   Sounds like the real deal. But there's only one way to find out. You didn't say where you would be staying. The worst scenario is that she is a professional dater...but even then you still get a holiday out of it and some female company for the duration. If you feel uneasy about the whole thing then don't go. I wouldn't give up the chance though if she is genuine. From what you describe I would be on the boat to meet her. You have done all the right things so far and got the right results. Sounds like a green light to me. g Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/16/2008 7:47:15 PM   I met a really nice lady from Kherson, corresponded for some time, i think she was the real deal so we flew to Malta to meet and had a wonderful two weeks. She always wanted money, i saw her apartment in Kherson and i know why she always wanted money, so i bought her a tv, washing machine, heater and many other things all of which i think she has since sold. I paid for her son to go to sea, about US$600 and he really did go to sea, i actually met him as well.I think at one stage we really liked each other but it fell apart. It cost me about US$6000 but i think i did her more good than harm. Funny thing, i still miss her.....she was only trying to survive in a difficult environment and who am i to judge her motives. I had fun. Land of oz Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/16/2008 9:03:58 PM   I would not suggest using G's Methods as I would say if she was not already educated he just taught her how to run a very profitable business and be careful not to let any of your doubts show unless it turns out she is less than honest. Do not confuse the fact that there are many scammer stories with the reality that this comes from only a small part of the women. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/17/2008 8:23:02 AM   And I thought that this was an English speaking forum! man1970 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/17/2008 11:48:51 AM   I think I am gonna say that we could meet in kiev, because I alays wanted to see kiev, I tell her I book the apartment and that she can travel to kiev by train, it could only take 5 hours for her to do it, it is always safer to meet on neutral ground dont you think,if she says no she cant be that interested or what do you think. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/17/2008 1:03:44 PM   Sure man1970: Family and friends are EXTREMEMLY important to most Ukrainian women - so I'm sure she'll have NO PROBLEM AT ALL leaving all of the people she hopes to see during her Easter weekend, riding in an overcramped cattle-car train car (3rd class) for FIVE HOURS one way - to see a guy who is a TOTAL STRANGER to her and stay with him in his apartment, in a strange city. I see no problem at all with your plan. And if she hesitates - she MUST be a SCAMMER! (GAWD... I hope this guy can pick up on sarcasm.) Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/17/2008 1:17:34 PM   Perhaps '1970' refers to the era that he is living in rather than his age :) man1970 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/17/2008 7:27:03 PM   No I see your points however I talked with her for almost 2 hours earlier,both of us had it very hard to end the conversation,she talks really good english by the way, she was glad that I phoned ,I said to her that I will visit her and I trust her to find a apartment in her hometown, she would do that,I asked her would you really payed for the tickets, she answered of course, why shouldnt I I told her that I was suspicious in the beginning, and that I have heard stories of guys coming to Russia and Ukraine, and then been totaly ignored by the woman that invited him,she just replied and laughed you are silly ,and paranoid why would I do that, I said to her you are right I am stupid and paranoid and that I was wrong having doubts about her , she told me more about her self ,and why she didnt gave away her real name and adress in the beginning, she didnt know me and didnt want anyone just phoning her,she said her parents would strongly reject her from going to kiev, to meet a guy she never seen before,she hadnt even mentioned to them that she had met me,and I understand that it is custom in orthodox culture that you dont introduce a man before she actually means something by that, so everything seems to be as it should be, I am paranoid and she is honest. or is she ? forever paranoid jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/18/2008 9:58:56 AM   man1970: A 2 hour conversation is a WHOLE LOT DIFFERENT than going and staying with a guy in his apartment with him in a strange city. You will find that some of these girls are VERY LIBERAL as far as what they will do with guys, whether they will stay in the same room (sleep in the same bed... you get my drift) and SOME are VERY conservative! Above all these women are NOT STUPID. They are QUITE aware that a lot of guys just come to score with as many of the locals as they can and then they move on. And many decent girls will have NONE of that. They don't appreciate the prospect of being USED? (Who DOES?) Ukrainian women are often quite outgoing and friendly - which surprises a lot of western men who are used to typical western women who will not give them the time of day. She offered to find you an apartment in her home city - that means she wants to meet you. It doesn't mean she necessarily wants to stay in your apartment with you. She most likely wants a real man (its a big thing). That wouldn't be a man who is scared to death (or paranoid) to visit her in her home city. She may or may not agree to spend the time with you in Kiev but I hope that you will AT least get an apartment with more than one bed/bedroom in it. Its only right. She may or my not make use of it but it should be there. FYI though - train tickets are generally only refundable for half the price paid, within a certain number of days (I wanna say 3?) before the train departs. They are not refeundable at all on the day. Make sure she has an out for if she doesn't really like you. And make sure that you assure HER that you aren't staying in Kiev to jump from one woman to another. Paranoia is not an attractive feature to these women. And its a real liability if you and she really hit it off. Unless you can travel frequently - will you be able to completely trust her in your absence? A lot of really paranoid guys can't take the fear that she might be seeing someone else while he's away. Such is a problem with long distance relationships. man1970 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/18/2008 10:53:30 AM   What I meant is I am going to her hometown, I trust her completely I see no reason why I shouldnt,and as far as long distance relationship,it hasnt gone that far yet,And I am not going to Ukraine to see no one more than her,I dont see Ukraine as a meat market,if it was mearly sex I would be looking for I shouldnt spend so much money as I will do by going over there, Some times you really got to risk something to gain something. Batman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/18/2008 4:12:48 PM   fanny3777 wrote: off course im gunna smile .evern if she has a huge ass and smells like an american ...im gunna smile Sounds like your mom: she's built like that and since I was all over her, some of my aroma must've rubbed off. In fact, when I promised to give her a $3 tip, she said, "im gunna smile." man1970: 100% of the men that don't go to meet the woman never meet their dream-girl. She sounds good to me--you'll never know if there's chemistry with this gal unless YOU GO THERE. DO IT! You two sound like you get along so the worst that'll happen is that you'll wind up with a friend. (As long as you don't allow yourself to be scammed.) Good luck and we're all expecting a detailed trip report. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/18/2008 5:13:49 PM   "Sounds like your mom: she's built like that and since I was all over her, some of my aroma must've rubbed off. In fact, when I promised to give her a $3 tip, she said, "im gunna smile." Hey Batman: That's completely uncalled for. I happen to know for a FACT that even Danny's DAD wouldn't touch his mom. Never has. But her BROTHER, now that's another story. I understand that both his mom AND dad fancy HIM. man1970 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/18/2008 7:36:20 PM   I dont think there will be any trip to Ukraine,sent her an email today ,got a reply she said she was going with her parents and her sister to visit an aunt, and a cousine, and said she was sorry to be unreachable ,she said she would be free on sunday afternoon call me then ?. I believed her and sent her an sms wished her a nice visit with her relatives (actually believed her ) but no confirmation of sms received ,her cellphone turned off, I believe she could be a professional dater, my good they are good I actually truly believed her.no wonder guys get scammed, I nearly bought the ticket down to her. for information I would never book up several girls when going to ukraine,looks yes but I was not going there for sex , I heard that ukrainian girls were honest and family loving that was my reason,nothing else, well well it was just a 300$ experience flowers nd phonecalls, I am near agreeing with the guy that said see them like meat,dont show feelings,you dont gain anything by it Batman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/18/2008 7:37:24 PM   Jemba, That's interesting because Danny established the fact himself on another thread that he wore lipstick and it takes him longer to put it on than his girl. But you're right, I should apologize and i'll even write it so he can understand: i surrie mait. beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/19/2008 12:12:37 AM   Man.....what you went through happens to many guys when going to visit a girl. I don't know how many times something comes up..work, family, illness, money ect....your girl may be truthful but just remember if you spend thousands of dollars to only to see her and it doesn't work out...will you still be happy??? I kind of made that mistake first time and I swore it would never happen again. Only my way of thinking and I get to meet plenty of girls....just haven't found the right one. I have a question...what would you do IF you had already bought tickets.....be up shit creek??? jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/19/2008 10:03:00 AM   There is something really wrong with man1970 - he has determined that his lady is a "professional dater" and determines "no wonder guys get scammed" merely because she went to visit her relatives and didn't want to take any calls at that time? (How TERRIBLE!). He further backs up his suspicion because she shut off her mobile (maybe the batter ran down and she is simply recharging it)?!?!?! On THESE two TERRIBLE facts he has determined her to be a SCAMMER!?!?!?!? Wow. He sound like one of those who is looking in Ukraine because he is unlikely to find a match with a girl ANYWHERE. He is ridiculously paranoid. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 4/19/2008 10:05:43 AM   Two quick questions for man1970. man: Are you scared of your own shadow? Do you think that your shadow might be secretly trying to scam you? 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