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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Travelling to Russian and Ukraine in July and need advice! Author Post Mini Cooper Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/25/2008 8:31:58 PM   Hey Everyone! I’m in need of some helpful advice from the experienced in this forum. First a little background, four years ago I went on a romance tour to St. Petersburg and Velikiy Novgorad. I met a woman whom I later married, we have since parted and now are divorcing but we parted on good terms. Ever since she left ( last August) I have devoted myself to meeting several new ladies “online” I have about 12 women that I write to once a week. I have decided not to do the romance tour thing again but to setup my own travel and meetings. I now have commitments for a three day meeting in Moscow (one Russian lady will meet me there). Two ladies in Kiev and one in Odessa, the eight others I have not decided on yet but some are from 2 to four hours drive from Kiev and the others are two to four hours drive from Odessa. I read somewhere on this form that you always need to have a “plan B” so I have loaded my plate with too many and will decide “on the fly” which one to call if my main (four) ladies don’t work out. I plan on spending three days in each city with two days down time in-between for travel rest etc. I plan to stay at hotels and I need some advice on clothing (what to wear), I plan to travel with one suitcase and my “carry on” so where to do laundry… have the hotel do it? Any recommendations on hotels to stay at, clubs to go dancing at and any places to take the girls to would be appreciated. I will leave for Moscow on July 24 and return home on August 7. Should I bring gifts or take them shopping? Any advice would be appreciated! -Mini Cooper dcv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/26/2008 6:35:47 AM   Mini .Bear in mind that August is the month when many of the ladies dissapear from the main cities in land Ukraine to go on their own holidays to the sea side resorts.So Yes definitely have some other girls on your list in reserve . Regarding the other statement here-There is No single city with the "largest number of single women". Land of oz Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/26/2008 11:02:16 AM   I am going to disagree with the gift giving. I would take some souvenirs specific to where you are from. Nothing big but things like printed T-shirts of the local school or your state or country, coffee mugs of the same, or anything representing the area you live in. A good lady will not ask for gifts but she will be intrigued to receive small gifts that give her hints about your culture. A plan B has pros and cons. Although it is nice to have a backup, that may be detrimental to plan A. The lady I am seeing told me she met a doctor from the US and he called a couple days after the meeting asking for another date. She refused him because she said he must have been meeting other women and did not feel he was serious because of that. It would be interesting to know how many of the men on here went to meet one lady and how many had a backup plan that were successful in bringing a lady to their country. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/26/2008 12:21:24 PM   Land of oz: Did the doctor have a reason he could give for not being able to see the lady? I would bet that she would want to know WHY he suddenly disappeared for a few days, and then wanted to have a go again. I have had two wonderful ladies - I met both at Romance Socials three years apart. MY backup plan cosisted of having only telephone numbers and contact information for othr women. I only gave them the vague promise that I would be in the area nad would try to look them up - if time permited. I always explained that I believed in meeting in person - not writing silly letters (my opinion - and I do) and since I wasn't absolutely sure I would be available for meeting - we would leave it at that until the time came. I've been lucky enough never to have to USE my backup plan - but I've had it for the first meeting at least. Nothing worse than being stuck in a strange city, in a strange country, and having nothing to do for a couple weeks if your lady decides she doesn't want to be with you. That was my idea of a back-up plan. Mini Cooper Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/26/2008 1:23:07 PM   Hey Everyone! Thanks for the good input, I need your ideas and diverse opinions! Billgreen54: Thank you for the offer of help and I must tell you that I have three girls from Nikolayev that write to me but they are younger (late twenties) so I don't put much hope in meeting with them, they are only plan B material. I mainly concentrate on the 35 to 45 group. Danny3777: From the first email to these ladies I have told them quote: "I’m looking for my future wife and plan on visiting Ukraine in July to visit with some “friends" seeking marriage that I have met online". They were all informed so I hope there are no problems <smile>. My limited time in Moscow should limit the expenses, and she will travel and meet me at the airport and lead me around like the helpless American I will be. Land of oz: Thanks for the gift ideas they are a very good idea! I had thought about perfume and jewelry but I don’t want to give these girls the impression I’m trying to “buy” them with gifts. I’m just trying to observe the custom of exchanging gifts upon meeting, so I think what you told me will work out fine. jetmba: Thanks for the input, I felt that writing to these ladies gave me some insight on their personalities and their opinions. I have eliminated many (many) ladies just because of their opinions. I always ask them “every time” to write to me something about what is going on in their life… not just the exciting things but I wanted to know the “normal” daily things… it proved to be valuable information for the selection process. Any other information that anyone can think of will be appreciated! And I must say that I’m very nervous about this upcoming tour. But, I’ll feel better armed with everyones opinions and thoughts. -Mini Cooper Land of oz Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/26/2008 5:12:50 PM   Jet my lady did not elaborate. We talked about this on our first meeting among many other question and answers learning about each other. All I remember was that he met her and then did not call for another meeting for a few days and she said he was quite vocal about his dislike for his ex-wife which also bothered her. You weren't that doctor were you? jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/26/2008 5:30:09 PM   I'm not THAT doctor..... or any doctor..... Mini Cooper: For what its worth - I'm not really into letter writing at all. Reason? I'm not looking for someone who is especially adept at writing letters. Oh, it would be NICE to find that, don't get me wrong - but not finding it isn't a deal breaker for me. Some people have got a literary gift and can express themselves very well in their own language. Others are so gifted that they can even express themselves well in OTHER languages. Those things are wonderful - but when I look for the ideal wife - she doesn't neccessarily have to be Emily Dickenson. For instance, I LOATHE witing letters about my life, about my job, about what I am doing on any given day. I CAN do it but I hate doing it. And I've laways felt that my perfect match might be like me in that regard. For me, it is imperative that I actually meet the girls face to face for first contact. I want to be attracted by all of the traditional things that attract a man to a woman. That's why I go on Romance Socials - and there are less ways that one can be conned that way too. Just my persoanl preference. To each his own. ben2006 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/26/2008 6:04:32 PM   I would have never meet my wife writing letters, lucky I meet her in personal (not romance socials but i here what Jetmba is saying). For her writing an sms is often to much trouble she would rather call and talk to me instead and she can talk alot. For her the computer is merely a means to download the latest music. Don't stay in hotels, try apartments instead. Cheaper and you can do your own washing there. Hotels charge an arm and leg for washing. You can pay 5-10 dollars to have a t-shirt washed (mind you they'll iron and folder it as well). As for gifts, well if I gave my wife a printed T-shirt from my the local school or state or country she wouldn't wear it. Look at the girls pictures in their profiles, how many are wearing printed t-shirts? Sure, in their profiles they want to look good but generally they like to look good all the time. If your going to give clothing make sure its trendy and the correct size otherwise get purfume or something like that but don't over do it. When i do give something from my country its normally a book with pictures, that normally goes down well. Maybe if you decide you don't like the girl you could give her the coffee mug:) Mini Cooper Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/26/2008 8:20:49 PM   Danny3777: Thanks for the inside scoop on Russian women... I'll start looking for that book tomorrow! Ben2006: I'll look into apartments, if I rent them "online" should I worry about getting ripped off? Should I have one of the girls do the leg work for me? Anyone... are there such a thing as laundromats in Ukraine? Does Ukraine use the same power (voltage and plug shape) as Russia? Thanks... Mini Cooper Land of oz Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/26/2008 9:39:49 PM   A lot of your apartments have washing machines in them. I have never seen a dryer over there but there has always been an iron in the apartments I have stayed in. My girl saw some of the clothes I ironed and she came over and ironed them all again for me :-((. Guess I ironed some of the creases out that were supposed to be there and put some in in other places. One apartment did not have a washing machine and I checked with the manager about a place to do it or get it done. They told me there was a laundry in the building and if I brought them down that day (Tuesday) I could possibly have them back on Friday. I did not want to walk around in my underwear for 3 days so I washed them in the sink. I will not say you cant be ripped off on apt rent on the Internet but I have never been. Especially if it is an English web site they know the danger of bad publicity. I have had rates raised in Russia by the Realtor when locating them privately. The power plugs are similar. I have seen some in Russia that the socket holes are smaller and the pegs on the plug will hardly go in but the spacing is the same as well as the voltage. Most camera, computer, and telephone devices will handle a range from 100 to 400 volts so it is only the configuration you need for them. Read your power supplies to make sure. Land of oz Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/27/2008 8:12:31 AM   No danny I am from the States in Kansas where the Wizard of oz was filmed. And I am still working at getting a girl over here. beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/27/2008 9:40:52 AM   Cooper....I 've done the 3 city tour before in 2 weeks time and wouldn't do it again, too much travelling time involved and all were the bigger cities. I did the St Pete's-Kiev-Crimea(Simferopol) tour. If you end up having a good time at one...it is time to leave. I am one who tries to see many women...because of different cities....at least it ends up that way. I now, for past couple trips, limit my focus to 2 main cities and maybe visit one sister city. I have focused on Moldova and Odessa with a short trip to Nikolaev if needed. I have made friends in each city which adds to my ability to meet women not from marriage sites, which I have found the girls to be more realistic. I have used my backup plans. I do have at least 3-4 women I hope to see in each city, start with girl I think is most compatible. I do find it interesting in meeting the girls......some knock your heads off in person. Mini Cooper Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/28/2008 5:27:18 PM   Hey Everyone! Land of OZ and Ben2006: Yes! the apartments look nice, I've looked at them online on the "Foreign Affair" website and I feel they would be the best value. Thank you for the tip! Beemer18: I have only one plan this trip and it is to meet as many ladies that I can. Afterwards I plan to choose the "one" that is most compatible and then return this Fall to spend two weeks only with her. I have been honest with these ladies from the start and explained my intentions. Many ladies did not like my approach and immediately stopped corresponding. But, the dozen or so that I now write to understand. billgreen54 and beemer18: I do want to dress nicely but if the weather is hot it will be difficult to wear a sport jacket or suit. What would you suggest for casual daytime city tours and dancing/dinner at night? Anyone: Please any suggestions will be appreciated! Mini Cooper Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/28/2008 5:47:40 PM   Mini Cooper, Yes these ladies do understand, no 'true'lady of any attractiveness would accept such a situation, and I'll give you any odds you like that these ladies, that say they understand, most if not all of them, are just waiting to take you shopping, for them, to max out your credit card. The 'true'ladies are the ones that stopped corresponding. beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/28/2008 8:39:07 PM   Coop, nothing wrong with meeting as many ladies as you can, that is what I did but I didn't tell the girls my true intentions and never lied to them either. I only proclaimed I was going to be in their city on these dates and lets get together. Never was I asked if I was seeing other girls, if ever questioned...I was going to meet with 'friends'. I do wonder if girls you are meeting will act different knowing you are coming to meet a lot of girls. Curious if you told them ALL your plans. "But, the dozen or so that I now write to understand." I am sure you will find out if/when you meet girls whether they really do!!! When dressing, wear dark at night with dress shoes. Guys wear lots of dress jeans there. I wear dress shoes all the time now. Never been there in summer but I have read that shots are not big, guess someone can advise you on that. Good luck!!! I do bring gifts, candy(sees), perfume and nice necklaces, all probably around $120 worth and if I like girl a lot, she gets a gift on second date( flowers always on first date). First thing I find out is where florist is!!!!! :))) US-WhiteBikerTrash Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/28/2008 10:06:26 PM   I will agree STRONGLY with Martin_FFC - about the true ladies... Switch shoes and think about how you feel hearing these words of yours tossed at you. These woman are not hard up and have plenty of great qualities = if they do not have plenty of material. Do not think that you have a GREAT plan, it is just a plan - a vacation away from the/your norm... The best plan I have found - personally, is one lady per trip. Each time I have traveled it is 90 days, pre-planned with one woman only. There has been 7 trips like such. I am very straight forward in truth, and NEVER EVER played 1 single woman - not for 1 single minute. I have both written and called over phone for at least 6 month period before making the plans. The plans were made together as well. When you do this, they at least feel on level ground with you.The trust is what you need! No different than anything or anywhere else in this life, or this world! PEACE... Chamberlin Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 5/29/2008 12:40:45 AM   Did the same as well - made one trip expressly to meet one girl. No back up plan, just lots of communication before-hand and travel arrangements made in advance. I personally cannot concentrate on more than one relationship at a time, I just can't do it. I feel that the girls do appreciate that, and if I were in their pointy shoes, I would certainly feel the same way. Of course you always here the stories of how strong willed and tough the Russian woman are, and that if you don't go for them they will easily move on with little or no heartache. I am not sure I believe that 100%; it would seem to me that the knowledge of being on some guy's itinerary 'girl checklist' would make anybody uncomfortable, like they had to sell themselves un-naturally every second they were with you. That is of course, 'assuming' they know about your multiple engagements. Further, I think I would steer clear of a girl who *didn't* have a problem with the 'speed-dating' thing, as I would be reminded of girls back here in USA! Maybe I am just old-fashioned in that respect, but to each his own - there is sure to be more than one good way to make these multi-national, multi-cultural relationships work. I will say, the one girl per trip method is the most expensive way to go, but in the end, believe it to be the most gratifying. -C Mini Cooper Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/13/2008 9:51:42 PM   Hey BikerTrash (incidentally, I rode with a "club" for two years in the early seventies), Thanks for the feedback! I have a different "perspective" on how to accomplish my goal. My goal is to simply meet these ladies this time. I do not tell them I love them, I do not tell them they are perfect for me, I do tell them I simply want to meet them. I want to "see" them with my eyes before I do exactly as you do... choose one and then spend several weeks with only her. This first trip is a simple "meet and greet". BikerTrash, we are similar in our approach I simply add the additional layer of meeting and greeting the ladies before I commit to a long one on one meeting. MiniCooper Mini Cooper Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/14/2008 3:00:05 PM   Hey Danny3777! Yes the Cooper holds a lot of interest for me... especially now that gas prices are off the charts! Thanks man for the positive feedback. I started writing to FSU women "immediately" after my Russian wife left to go back to Russia last August. I found it soothed my aching heart to start limited contact with other women again. It (the letters) just blossomed from there, now it's difficult to tell them I only want to see "one" of you. I do want to meet and greet all that I possibly can and then do as others on this forum recommend... spend $4,000 USD to see one woman and hope you are compatible. Mini Cooper Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 6/14/2008 7:35:12 PM   Mini, Unfortunately for you, in this scenario, the ladies have the upper hand: If she meets with one guy for one week at a time then she can meet with 52.178 guys a year, if she is a 'player' and meets with 3 guys each week then she can meet 156.535 guys a year, exactly how many ladies can you meet with each year bearing in mind you may need to take vacation and pay travel costs to meet those ladies? OK, you're going to play it cool, not tell them they are perfect or you love them but what gives you the impression that if you did then they would fall into your arms and be ready for the taking? This FSU dating malarky is a two way street and, somewhat unfortunately for the guys the right of way, the preference, is in favour of the ladies so, to do yourself a favour, don't go there with an attitude that you are doing them a good turn by gracing them with your presence. 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