i think thats a bit uncalled for martin thats a new low insulting a unborn baby and you have really belittled yourself there.. i would have 0 respect for you
A baby has no contol over where it come into the world legitmately or illegimately. Therefore any such stigma attacehed to the child is the fault of the PARENTS who DO have a say.
It wouldn't be the BABY's fault. Its not Martin's fault for pointing out a factual conotation. Its DANNY'S fault that the child would be stigmatized as such.
it was not done as a factual conotation as you well know it was done as a insult plain and simple, you are a grandfather as you have said before and I would have expected better of u jet.
I am certainly aware of the fact that I am OLD enough to be a grandfather (i didn't need reminding), but I am not yet, nor have I ever claimed to be, a grandfather.
I'm old enough to be a grandfather also, indeed 'legally' anyone aged circa 33 years or above is 'legally' old enough to be a grandfather, however, and despite my being born already an uncle, and becoming a great uncle aged circa 21, i don't have any kids never mind grandkids :)
Colin, I have no problem calling the kettle black if it is. Some people do as they please while others believe in certain things should be done in a certain way. In my religion it is looked down on having child out of wedlock, some parts of society has eased up a bit on this but not me, it is so easy to bang out kids but many are left without proper parenting. Without marrige it is much easier to take easy way out, that is why there are plenty of single mothers. To me, just for me, to have kids out of wedlock brings illegitimacy, just my beliefs, I would have no problem telling my best friend my views if he were to have children without marrige. Not too long ago, the child would have been referred to as a bas***d child ...but hopefully a healthy one.
And to add, divorce is refrained upon also, yet yes, I was divorced but after couple years of counciling to see if marrige could be saved. I would NEVER have a child without marrige, just MY way.
Marrige to me is synonymous with commitment. Wonder how many russian girls out there don't want marrige...only kids.....
Doesn't matter if it is insult or not Colin. Would you have kids without marrige?
AS for you Danny....you have no idea what you are getting into!!!
WTF does doing crafts for kids or day out with broken family have to do with raising children. It is nice you do these things but has nothing to do with raising kids. Since you brag about irina's being english teacher, maybe she can instruct you on how to spell...but chances are she will get frustrated like every teacher you ever had and consider you unteachable. By the way, found 7 spelling errors and 13 grammar errors, 3 sentences that makes no sense and 6 times you used 'wrong' word. Hope you understand this is a site for communication through writing, something you rarely
ever had to do. You would think after a couple months here you would learn how to spell a few words, but no, still can spell a 2 letter word correctly. You are just oozing with brains.....
Any other words you want to call me??? Go ahead show how immature you are!!!
"thats would be great . a grand son whith a grandmother the age off its mum . least she gunna be around to see it reach 30 . and be a very young great grand ma"
danny:
Is it going to affect your life, one way or the other? Is it going to cause an personal problems for you in your day to day activities? No? Well, then who-the-hell-cares-whet-the-f*ck-you-think!!
I'm guessing that your kid will be better of if you aren't around any more when he's 30.
When I was 19 years old, I discovered that my (also 19 year old) girlfriend was "gonna giff me a child".
I had great plans for medical school, or to get a PhD in Clincal Psychology - I was a Sophomore in college at the time, and so was she.
But BECAUSE I was about to "gonna giff me a child", and we would NOT alow the child to be born a fatherless bastard (even before he was born we loved him too much to do THAT to him) - we quickly got married - and I dropped out of school and began to work.
I graduated from college two years later than originally planned as my wife and I took turns working, caring for the child and going to school. It was a tough time for us - but we made it. And we gave the child a good (though not rich) life with a married mother and a father. Had another child seven years later.
In no position though at the time I graduated to go to medical school or graduate school for Psychology, I put off going to graduate school for Business for several years eventually earning my MBA, as I continued to work, and my wife continued to go to school, in turns. She also graduate with a Bachelor's Degree.
The marriage lasted for 21 years.
So don't tell me what its like danny.
Oh but you don't believe in marriage - so you can just run away any time you fell like it.
And your child isn't going to have a mother and a father - more like a mother and her male.... friend.
I have my reservations about marriage too...I believe in it but its not for me in this point in time...it would have to be a very special woman for me to marry it, not a rushed pressure cooker relationship into marriage for the sake of a permanent residency visa for a foreign girl.
I think this is why so many western men/fsu women and foreign women in general marriages fail..there is not the time to really get to know a person to marry it..in most places 3 months for a fiance visa is all you get and in that time you must decide to marry her or she goes home, its a pressure cooker, shot gun decision and many of us guys make mistakes.
Its just as much the fault of the guys as it is the women...fly by night express relationships leading to borked marriages that fail..thats what this business is about and also us guys to pursue unobtainable young foreign beauties when we are old farts going down the other side of the hill..we are just asking for problems and trouble.
FSU women might be from another culture and have differing values and beliefs but the consensus they ARE ALL WOMEN and they all think alike..no young model quality hottie will ever want to stay with a geriatric old fart of a western man..it won't work..it just won't last, smell the coffee before it gets really cold and drink it and wake up!
I am going to go quiet here for a while ( some will say thank God! ), my mother died in the nursing home yesterday, I and my sister have got to go and make arrangements for the funeral..I have cried on and off since then and ahve the heavy heart and feel crap!
"thats would be great . a grand son whith a grandmother the age off its mum . least she gunna be around to see it reach 30 . and be a very young great grand ma '
My future grandson will also have a grandmother as old as (actually very slightly older than) I am - its my exwife.
See, my ex'es don't steel all my money and run away......
Lets see - daany is 37. Probably 38 by the time the kid is born. When his kid is 30, how old will he be. Hmmmmm. 38+30=68.
BUT:
As of 2007, the average life expectancy in Russia is 61.5 years for males and 73.9 years for females.
So if danny lives the average age for Russian males (after all it IS the environment - and he's moving there) - danny could kick the bucket at age 61.5 - when the child is only 23.5.
At least irina will see the child turn 30, and then some. (even 40).
Yes beemer I have had a kid without marriage already! and if anyone called my son a bas@ i would phyically kick the crap out of them. Just because someone insults you as a person you dont go to a whole new level and some the stuff here is gone too far. Men that are supposed to be mature men act like how children wouldnt even act.