bas·tard (bstrd)
n.
1. A child born out of wedlock.
2. Something that is of irregular, inferior, or dubious origin.
3. Slang A person, especially one who is held to be mean or disagreeable.
adj.
1. Born of unwed parents; illegitimate.
2. Not genuine; spurious: a bastard style of architecture.
3. Resembling a known kind or species but not truly such.
Having a child out of wedlock may be against some peoples religion. But theres a good chance divorce is also against their religion, so some people shouldn't be so quick to judge others.
Your very good at using google and getting things that suit you Jetma as usual. Twisting words to your own meaning in every country that word is considired a insult what ever way you twist it. Grow up and act your age and have a little respect for people.
If you don't like the one I found on Google - chances are you have a dictionary in your desk drawer. Look THERE!
(And I PROMISE I didn't get to your desk before you did and twist or change the meaning. Do you see any whiteout? No? Well that should PROVE it to you.)
Its not a JUDGEMENT - You either are or are not what the word defines. No judgemental opinion applies here.
Just more playing with words again if you call someone that its a insult and it was used in a sad and pathetic play of words about a unborn baby. And twist it and pretend its just a definition and play mr innocent. And I dont need a dictionary to look it up either.It is a innocent child whom is being abusing by using the word 'bastar;'. If they care to look it up in a modern dictionary they will find that it is labelled offensive.Bastard when used correctly simply means born out of wedlock. The use of it as an insult is a hangover from the attached social stigma which is still very much alive in the world today. I'm one, and I don't have any time for those who may use the word as an insult. Nothing has been done wrong - why should this term of abuse be used? To do that is to keep a stigma alive for people who did nothing more than to be born, and had no choice in the matter. To use Bastar; as an insult is no less offensive than to use Ni**er or Queer about a black person or a gay person.
"bastard" doesn't insult the baby. It insults the parents. And rightly so.
Hiding behind an innocent child with the argument - "Oooooo don't hurt the BABY!" doesn't shield the PARENTS from blame. They cary it all themselves.
I MARRIED to prevent my child from being born a bastard. You didn't.
Don't belittle my sacrifice and dedication to my child, by claiming the word shouldn't be applied to children of those NOT willing to make the sacrifice and dedication. The word stands.
In this politically correct world - war against words that are perfectly legitimate and fairly applied - because its politically incorrect to offend the wrong people.
Parents CHOOSE to bring this condition upon their baby. They carry the blame. Not those who use the word.
Having a child out of wedlock has little to do with religion.Divorce is also a legal institution. Also Ben you suscribe to the nonjudgemental reasoning. Which is ludricrous on it's face. Also like Colin above with the description of bastard. It hurts not the child, nor is the reference intended to hurt the child. How can you insult the unborn? The child did not make this decision.
When established norms are discarded a society is fatally flawed. This is not only a war of words but a war of a culture that is being systematically destroyed. Just like the insidious decision of 9 men in black robes to decide when life begins, preposterous. The first modern society, Japan began the institution of legalizing abortion. What occurred high rates of alcoholism, suicides and depression, in a culture that prior to 1948 had none of these, with the exclusion of the Samuri who comitted Hari Kari in a mode of honor. Now look at the far developed countries now that bows to the altar of this. Russia now has higher suicides in a culture that was nonexistant. Europe and the former Soviet Unions birth rates are at an all time low, who is going to accept the burden of the elderly when they will outlive what is not
being replaced by a low birth rate. One or two things. They will have to tax an already burdened citizenry, or import workers from third word countries and self distruct existing cultures just to handle a tax burden . You see already in Europe with the heavy Muslim influx from arab states and Africa.
We see the same with the states with people from south of the border. Yeah keep the pious non judgmental attitudes and you will find yourselves and your offspring slaves to taxation, or to culture that is more judgmental than you will ever want to tolerate. The stigma of bastard children is some cultures means the death of that child. It's knocking at your door.
Colin....sorry to hear you had a child without marrige. I do think this world is in worse shape because many people have no trouble banging out kids but when it comes to parenting, it's lets more on to next partner. I don't know your situation and what happened but hopefully child was in a good situation. As far as using bas***d, if you don't like word or subjectively think it is used badly,it is your problem, remember everyone is different. Some people use different words, I've used both bas***d and illegitimate. In my class of kids I spoke about before(delinquents)...11 out of 14 were born from parents not married...does that tell you anything??? Speaks volumes to me!!! Even some step parents treat their step kids differently.
Ben, I did mention about divorce before, I think that is sad too, don't take it lightly. Very difficult times.......but I think it is big difference between kids out of wedlock and divorce...at least one of them makes it difficult to just take off.
Yes I understand beemer, but I was just pointing out how you said having children outside of marriage is against your religion, but most likely so is divorce.
In Christianity according to the Bible, God’s plan is that marriage be a lifetime commitment and that if you divorce and marry another you commit adultery. So Nasfan if I want to be judgmental I could point the finger at you and suggest because of people like you society is fatally flawed also. “Do not judge, or you too will be judged”. But I don't know what lead to your divorce, just like I don't know Danny's or Colin's situation.
Ben, in Christianity, you are able to get an annulment of your marriage and get married in Church again, not easy though, and in doing this you don't commit adultery. If you read my post in another thread, it is sad what is happening with many kids in this world.
Beemer etc I have no problem with the word bastar£ but what I have a problem with is someone insulting a innocent child. And i dont need any 'sorry' from you why would I for the greatest treasure of my life.Im not married to his mother but have half custody of my son and spend all the time I can with him.If anyone believes that they need to be married to stay together then thats something from the archaic past if you need a piece of paper to keep you together then you should never have got married in the first place.Respect for your partner and caring and love these arnt things that marriage give and these are much more important than a piece of paper.You judge a innocent child? And yet you a old man sit in cafes/bars and watch young girls as they walk by and comment on how they walk. Old flesh lusting for the touch of young skin. There is words for that too but unlike you I dont need to insult people. We each have in us the ability to judge what is right and wrong and dont need religion to tell us and yet you spout rubbish about how your religion this your religion that.
Religion does have good sides and can help in many ways but people that stick to it and need to use it to enforce foolish points thats a joke.
And I laugh to think what type of religion condones what you do then looks down on a innocent child?
Such a religion is one I would never wish to be part of. Anyone thats needs to use the word religion to forward their own views is also archaic. Its unwavering belief in religion which has caused so many problems and conflicts in the world today. Religon itself needs to change and modernise it suited the times as they were but times have changed. If you begin to put so much trust in marriage try and understand what it is first of all and where it came from. As it wasnt always there.
In the predominantly partriarchal society of the past marriage was an apt arrangement which not only helped the economically & physically weaker women to survive but also allowed some rules around sexual communion.
But why was this a partriarchal society in the first place? Was it because men were physically stronger or was it something else? I have huge faith in the power of nature to find a solution. I believe that a partriarchal arrangement was nature's way of setting some rules around human survival. It was not a man made arrangement but a culmination of a series of different methods tried at different times. And the best survived. If you disagree you will have to give better reasons.
Now lets look at the men. Once the master of the house he now finds his dominance, his earning power, his decision making all challenged at each point. In many a households they are no more the more educated. Its a quezy situation to be in, more so when you have enjoyed your thousands of years of nature-gifted dominance.
But women having allowed themselves to be dominated for circumstancial reasons have regrouped. They are equally educated, earn now and most importantly have discovered that sexuality is no more a disadvantage but can be used to good effect to make way in society.
So is there a future for marriage? ,this is very doubtful as soceity advances we will see less and less marriage and the few that there will be wont be pernament. People change as they go through life
but unlike before women no longer need a man to look after them and so if they wish to divorce and leave a loveless marriage now they have the power to look after themselves and this is very good.
And fortunately people like you Beemer 'the older generation' will be left as relics of the past a past well forgotten.
There is a permanent feeling of imbalance in most marriages. You fret, you slap, you kick, you fume! Sometimes you kiss and make up. Sometimes you make love and make up. At other times you just drink and make up. Sometimes you just make up. Sometimes you just dont make up and continue.
I do not see a single perfect marriage around me. Some are nasty, some stoically pathetic, some are so shamful that the least said the better and some give me the picture of slave trade (does not matter who is the slave and who the master).
So what happens to the institution called marriage whose basic tenets did not factor in a society in which men and women share power. In today's scenario where each of one of us wants to lead a life on our own terms marriage is archaic. Think of it - if you were asked to marry your best friend (forget gender here) would that be exciting? Why would you want to adjust 24 hrs with someone even if he/she is your best friend. For most of us the idea would puke.
But it is marriage's second reason that is the bigger problem. And this worries me the most. Most marriages fail after the reckless couple has procreated. And where they dont those moments of make belief kiss and make up (Hollywood Ishtyle) becomes the catalyst of procreation.
Suddenly you are left to parent a progeny who inherits the confused state of the world. Soon it becomes another tool of the power struggle. Like the car, the TV, the fridge it also becomes the bone of contention during nasty moments of tug of war. Unlike the tangibles it cannot be divided into two equal halves. But who cares in this war of the sexes. Each of us become a reason for a blotched childhood that leads to another disastrous adulthood. And the cycle goes on...
But everything isnt doom and gloom I believe in true love and in marriage as well but the facts have to be stated but there is alot more important things there than that piece of paper.
So dont sit on your pedestal and say Religion this Religion that and quote 'I do think this world is in worse shape because many people have no trouble banging out kids' foolish people like you that go on about Religion are the cause of so many wars and troubles in the world today.
Aldous Huxley also said "You never see animals going through the absurd and often horrible fooleries of magic and religion... Dogs do not ritually urinate in the hope of persuading heaven to do the same and send down rain. Asses do not bray a liturgy to cloudless skies. Nor do cats attempt, by abstinence from cat's meat, to wheedle the feline spirits into benevolence. Only man behaves with such gratuitous folly. It is the price he has to pay for being intelligent but not, as yet, quite intelligent enough."
He was an atheist. So whats your point?
With thousands of years of marriage and marriage history as a people, you're going to disregard marriage as being too old fashioned by a single generation? Your argument is pure short-sighted rationalizaion and nothiing more.
T.S Eliot also said if you don't believe in God, you don't believe in anything. Now that's an enigma wrapped up in a riddle.
Also religion has lead to many wars. Yeah, look where most of them started at.
No future in marriage, yep, with the enlightened thought of leftist/marxist, it is in some danger. Destruction of the family unit is the goal.
He was an atheist what is your point. Jet that's the point exactly.
Religion needs to change and modernize. Hey, God, your not on the script with man, Get a clue.By the way God, what denomination are you?????
People like you Beemer will be left as relics of the past.Exactly what revisionists want everyone to believe. Gee Colin, your future isn't so promising. You don't believe in absolutes.
You are on the wrong side of the culture war.
I don't see a single perfect marriage around me. Either time to find new friends or understand perfection is what you strive for but never achieve.
Only time a child becomes a part of a power struggle is when both parties are selfish.
Nasfan you talk a crock of Rubbish, let me translate for you Danny. Danny the rubbish you expel here would have environmentalists cringing. No landfill could accomodate the trash you expel here. Exactly where have I been Danny? You give stupidity a bad name..
Martin, please accept my apology of once calling you the most gifted idiot. Danny has no peer when it comes to it.I apologize for that.
Archaic is a good word. God you are Archaic, but then he claimed to be Alpha and Omega.
Uh Ben2006, Judge not lest you be judged is from Christs beattitudes on the mount. His point is well taken and over some peoples heads, we have the right to judge as long as we see the plank in our own eye. All will be judged. If that was the case, we have no God given authority to sit in judgment of criminals. Though it was God who created the nation state. Don't go quoting the bible unless it becomes expeditious to some.