I wanted to ask you some of you who may have some experience with this site about how long it takes to get a reply from some of the women here. How many email messages do you have to send in order to get a reply from anyone, including the ones that have written you first? It seems odd that when I first joined, I got 7 letters within a day or so. Now it seems like they've all disappeared. Any ideas?
I see you have the russian set...............i have set of 8!!!
I think you are thinking too much, let it flow how it may. Whether it is guy or girl...everyone looks at newer people first, more people will see you. It is like that everywhere. Consider maybe you are not found interesting by girls for some reason.
You have entered into a minefield, so be smart, acquire some knowledge and just take it slow...............
Thank you, gentlemen. All of you have provided well-seasoned advice on the perils and pleasures of meeting women who resemble Europeans but are quite non-Western in cultural outlook. I intend to teach English in the near future and suspect that meeting a Russian/Ukrainian women in her own home country will likely heightens one's chance for romantic success. Courting someone from the other side of the planet can be a tough gig.
Yeah, letters are a waste if you send too many..I agree, you need to send enough to know thw woman and talk to her over the phone so that you are convinced its a real woman before you go over there though.
I sent too many letters but there were many different women, some were scammers, some I felt were in the agencies as a novelty and I think some only replied to be polite.
I think when I first looked at this 4 years ago, I wrote to women that were too young and attractive for me..the age gap on average was about 12 to 18 years..too much.
I have not encountered or successfully written to a woman within 8 years of my age ( 8 years younger ) except one woman named Elena from Ishim, Russia but she used a shitty translator program, could not really understand me and also a e-mail check on her using reputable internet utilities and sites returned a report, that her e-mail address was forged and did not originate from Ishim ( which is a town in Tyumen Olblast, Siberia ) but maybe up to 500 km away..it could not be pinned down exactly but it was reported "forged" so that sent alarm bells but she was a nice 32 year old at that time a few years ago.
I stopped writing to anyone last year because of my family situation and my computer repair shop went sick and I shut it down earlier this year, only do the occassional small private jobs for people by word of mouth now with P.Cs and had to go work for someone else doing another job that is lesser paid but its money though but I am not really happy with my present situation and the economy in Oz is crook and if you want a good job, you got go and work in the mines in the outback desert in 45 degree C heat thousands of kilometres from anywhere and its a hard life and I don't want it and move away from my kids and friends and lead a nomad like miserable existence at a mine for maybe $80,000 a year..its shit and not long term sustainable, I think that kind of job and existence would drive me nuts..they are having trouble getting people to work at remote outback mines..theres a skills shortage!
I decided I could not bring a foreign girl into my life for a second time at this point in time because I am not happy with my personal situation..she would not be either so why set yourself up for a failure.
My advice is get your personal life and finances right before you embark on the search for a FSU girl, be it Russian or Ukrainian..to be in a financially tight situation ( the working poor so as to speak and Australia has many struggling now with mortgage and debt ) and to these girls they perceive that as poor because they can't have what they want "love is love but to be poor is very bad for me"..quote from Irina, Ukrainian goddess...she did not define what poor meant to her but I guess its when they can't have anything they want!
These girls live in a cash based economy in Ukraine..they don't really understand mortgage repayments, personal loan repayments and credit card repayments because most in Ukraine and Russia don't have this ( maybe the more affluent in Moscow and Kiev and St. Petersburg do because these are the richest cities ( more billionaires in Moscow than any other city, even New York apparently ) but a lot of the girls have no idea how a good income quicky disappears in high taxes, high food costs and high interest rates on loans/mortages in a country like Australia and your left with precious little for entertainments and luxuries and this would be preceived by the FSU girls to be a "poor situation" and "to be poor is very bad for them"
You need a very good income to do this foreign bride/dating thing and to be able to keep them happy in there new adopted country if they marry you..the wages of a postal clerk/worker ( eg Jetmba won't cut it and I am not picking on you as I ahd to go work in a factory as a production machinist on afternoon shift as it was the only job going I could get after the computer repair business went down the shitter..its better than unemployment or the dole and I have better qualifications but no jobs for it although I look )...Australia is much like FSU girls, some really qualifeid people having to take lower paid jobs as there are no jobs available in the profession in which you are qualified unless you want to work in the fooken desert in the middle of nowhere in a mine..you take what is going locally and hope for the best down the track!
Thats one reason I pulled the plug...I am not key board romeoing!..my present situation, I feel with the troubled teens I have, the uncopperative ex who wants to stir me up and do battle and the below par job I have does not qualify me for a FSU women or wife..my personal life standard is not high enough for them, this is my opinion, so I judged myself,be it harsh but I am being realistic..why go to Ukraine, attempt to pull her from the country she loves into my shit..why do it..just don't and back off is best which is what I have done!
Maybe one day, if things get better and my life becomes a high enough standard I might go to Ukraine etc. and seek a woman to meet much closer to my age and no 20 something goddesses because thats just being a dickhead when you are 44 years old..like Irina said "love is love but to be poor is very bad for me"'..it says it all!
There you forum people have it...Aussieman taking a critical look at himself for a change and not criticising the girls...I should not throw rocks in glass houses, when my world rotates in crap!
"...You need a very good income to do this foreign bride/dating thing and to be able to keep them happy in there new adopted country if they marry you..the wages of a postal clerk/worker ( eg Jetmba won't cut it and I am not picking on you "
The letter that danny yanked up was written in 2005. Even then I was a very highly paid employee of the US Postal Service.
Today I make more than twice the average wage of a Postal worker - I also own interests in real estate (I own my own company) and am a successful stock trader.
tell the chaps how difficult it is to get up at crackers everyday, dress appropriate to weather the bitter cold, how you had to train to handle postal pieces with thick gloves, the dogs you had to conquer, the baton you carry for those hard-learning one's, how you slog for miles with your cart, etc etc, then explain them about the generous footwear-subsidy, clothing which you are given by your loyal clientŤle's, and when & where you're offered the best piping hot coffee.
Mind you, as far as I can judge from the above quite a few will believe it too!
Don't inform them about your real job though, they wouldn't understand you see, they think, when hearing 'postal services', of uniformed sloggers akin newspaper boys.
I know the perception of ANY US Post Office employee is that he delivers mail - like a glorified paperboy. (But paperboys at least get cool bicycles with chrome plated -baskets and really neat BELLS on the handlebars! So being a paperboy is even COOLER!)
Let me assure one-and-all that I have never delivered a single letter in my entire career.
Aussieman: You raise some interesting thoughts within your miserably depressing post up thread however you cetainly need to correct your thinking is some aspects if you are survive the next few years, much less meet a foreign lady.
The only good paying Australian jobs are in the remote mines? Nonsense, in fact, utterly ridiculous. $50-60K per year is a piece of cake to find right now. I agree, if you aim above that level it is slightly more difficult.
The economy is crook? Exactly what sector is "crook" right now? Financial groups continue to report record profits. Unemployment remains at an all time low. Government subsidies abound left right and centre. Certainly, the family budget is tighter than it was 3 or 4 years ago, but who seriously expected the heady days to continue unabated? Anyone who did is a certifiable idiot. Nevertheless, things here are far from "Crook" and Joe average cannot be compared to Boris average in East Europe. We are light years ahead financially.
Only the bigger city FSU people understand debt to equity, cash flow related issues and have credit on houses etc? Nothing could be further from the truth. Credit facilities and home lone packages are rolling out across Russia at a rate which is almost breathtaking. These poeple, for the most part, DO understand.
Love is love but to be poor for me is very bad? Bravo, I agree 100%. I know, because I have been poor at one time through my own bad management and IT IS VERY bad. I have no desire to ever go there again and it is one of the reasons I rise an hour earlier each morning than I once did and go to bed an hour later. I do more than I once did and I don't wait for someone else to hand it to me. Understand that other than the early rising, which Russian Women are no good at, they will fit right into a budgeted lifestyle and teach you how to economise in some simple way you won't understand at first. A decent Russian woman can live rich on a small amount of money. I suggest they are the best of the best at this. The number one thing I have seen consistently is Russian Women hate waste, particularly where food is concerned. Our family grocery budget is now smaller than when I was living single and we now feed 3 mouths. I didn't spend liberally on food but my wife has cut corners I never thought of in this area.
I agree this is not a poor man's sport. Finding, meeting, courting, marrying, importing and most importantly, establishing a foreign lady is a highly expensive exercise and as such, based on your comments, you are not presently suited to this exercise. May I suggest, less time researching at the moment if it is impossible and more time spent working a second job? 2 hours an evening glassing in a bar can make a huge difference within 12 months. I did that and more in the tough times. It was no fun, but it served the purpose of rising from financial doldrums to the point where I was positioned to set my sights much higher. Happily, 15 years later, I am in a comfortable position with a decent income stream from other sources than simply my job, which BTW is simply mid to senior management in a mid sized company, with a solid asset base and some working investments. I am not rich but I am surely not poor and my Russian Wife has adapted to this aspect of things very well.
All the matters you speak negatively of in your post are eventualities of your own making. Your business didn't "go down the shitter", you managed it down the shitter. You managed yourself into a job you don't like and clearly working for someone else other than yourself is a stress to your pride. This I understand as I made the same adaption a few years back and it is not simple, but venting disappointment is not going to solve the issue.
I guess the prolixity of this post will be annoying to other members and it might have been better to simply say, you need to get off your butt and do something about your issues, but it isn't my style to be so short. Nevertheless, the message is still the same. Do something or die complaining...........your call.
Your such a twit of a bird, Robin..i am sick of the darts, she enjoys them, they were not expensive and I sent her some DVDs too which were inexpensive.
I am not in this market anymore, not seeking an overseas meeting with a foreign girl from any country..I stopped writing to foreign girls last year and erased all known profiles of myself from the internet sites.
I have a stable relationship with a local girl now in her 30s and not dating or trying to date 20 something models...I am not a handsome piece of art myself, just average and a little plump..don't go for what you can't obtain..be realistic..its just too much hassle and risk to marry a foreign girl because the relationship has to be rushed into in order for her to stay here.
If you are earning over 50k a year Jetmba as a senior postal officer, then thats good, you earn enough to go for multiple trips to the FSU and open your wallet to the girls..good luck in your quest for a bride..real love is hard to find and it can take years to find it.
I know I am not suited to this exercise, Duromin, thats why I quit last year...I had one foreign marriage already...I think marriage is over rated and old hat, it causes more problems than its worth..less and less people get married nowdays but live together and go the defacto relationship way...marriage does not make love..you can live together and love each other and not be married..its just a piece of paper that entitles a woman to take most of your assets when she gets sick of you in the courts!..ditto!
See why you failed Aussieman, You put material things ahead of everythin ng life. Again your foreign Marriage would be about the same as some guy from Florida Marrying a latino in LA, it doesn't count.
Most Russian or Ukrainian girls donít know how to handle money. They usually live with their parents in some ugly suburbia because their income doesnít allow them their own apparentment at all. They spend the money they earn on clothes and cosmetics but thanks to their parents they usually donít pay for living.
A Westerner who makes 2000 $ a month is considered a very rich person as such girls have about 200 $.
So some of them start hanging around in bars frequented by tourists or western business man. Maybe some of them are just hoping to have some fun and get some drinks. Thatís okay. I suppose some dream of finding their true love there; a kind of prince charming who will take them out of the mess. The third kind is more dangerous: Knowing that a Westerner is a unique chance not only to get a few drinks they will start telling you how much they love you in order to receive expensive presents. If the man gets caught Ė I do not deny that there honest girls Ė and falls in love with her she will start blackmailing him: ďYou donít love if you donít buy me ...ď(I know that itís game Western girls know as well but Russian/Ukrainian girls know it better) and in the end she will get her K1-visa (or a similar visa for another Western country) ...
Writing letters canít replace the direct contact so if you go there you might find out faster what she is like Ė and itís even cheaper when you consider the journey as a kind of vacation too. The possibility of failing exists since you canít tell who you can trust.
I have a good local girl friend who spend 80% of her time with me,lives me 4 nights a week and other 3 nights at her mums and I don't care about this foreign dating thing anymore, it was not for me, whats on my plate in the coming week is to cremate my mother and make a memorial for her..all the rest is shit!..won't say much more for some time!
Marriage will eventually happen when finances permit it.No visas, agencies, paying for e-mail and other B.S required!