Finding a local girl is the easiest way – if you find one. Looking for a bride abroad is a pricy thing and once you found her the costs don’t stop …
Sometimes it even happens that you come to an Eastern country with no intention to find someone and fall in love all the same.
First you think that she’s the kind that’s only looking for fun and a few drinks. Then you think she’s looking for love and when you realize you’re in love with her you might be so blind for a while that she just abuses you …
Just in case you go to Kiev: Anya (Anutka) Aksonova is such a girl. Be aware!
I am ok and getting on with it, organised everything with the undertaker today and my girl and her mother was with me, my girl picked the flowers and we all went and picked a lovely coffin on advice of the undertaker.
Mum had a funeral bond investment of nearly 8 grand with the public trustee and those funds are being used in the best way to give her a good send off on Friday and a memorial plaque bearing her name under a rose bush has been organised for her ashes to go next too for perpetuity, which is forever at a cemetery near me.
I also bought a place next to there, prepaid so when I pass my ashes will go next to hers in the family memorial rose bush.
Funerals are very expensive in Australia, 8 grand covers only a very basic burial and small plaque in a cheap cemetery far from here...I wanted more than that for her and cremation was cheaper and the way to go and in my family cremation is prefered over burial and she gets the next best thing to the works!..I think she would have been happy for her remains to be buried close to me in a beautiful cemetery of botanical gardens.
I am getting on with it..the tears and heavy heartedness and coming in waves for me and I will be glad after Friday is over and she is cremated..
>COR your absolutely incorrect if you think $24,000 a year is thought of as very rich. Sure its a good income if your LIVING IN UKRAINE and your A UKRAINIAN. But if your from the west and bragging you make 2k a month your going to see a girl smile, because she's thinking your a complete loser, because her girlfriend's new flame is making 5-10x that and not bragging about it. ;)
And those girls that hang around bars frequented by westerners are usually hookers. The staff show local Ukraine girls the doors to nice places so they don't hang out. I have seen it.
Maybe you have your take on this, but you come across as someone that's making this stuff up except for the obvious of meeting girls being better than writing one.
> Aussie? Yeah I feel for you guy. It's easier for you to meet a local gal than try that extremely hard road of costs, disappointments, scammers, insincerity, inconsideration, and trouble of doing all this for a possibly disappointing FSU fling if you can't afford to bring it home.
Regardless if you make $50k/100k/500k its still pretty expensive. If you make $24k a year and expect to do this, keep dreaming... not one girl in Ukraine would give up her family, friends, life to replace it with the hard life ahead of her trying to exist on $24k a year as a married couple...
> Aussie congrats if its that same gal you were talking about earlier. If it is and its a year later you got the right girl for you - especially if you're already tolerating her for half the week. ;) Good job.
Just please don't go into the all Ukraine-girls-are-scammers. They aren't. I had to break a few hearts on my last run there because although there are some true real incredibly beautiful knock-outs I wrote to for several months before I wrote who were excited after they finally met me in real life... I couldn't see myself with them for the rest of my life due to personality differences and such...
I am just too picky. If I just wanted a hot girl its not a problem - tons of them there. I'm just looking for my MUSE...
Your personality has picked up a lot since last year Aussie, I think once you get past the slump of your shop taking a dive, I'd recommend you pick up software development or become a network administrator at a local company. Study up, pad your resume/cv and do the job better than you ever did anything in your previous life. ;)
Not all Ukraine girls are scammers, there are a lot of scam marriage agencies that make fake profiles, letters or simply use them to make money ( albeit without them knowing what the agency does with their profiles ), actually single operating Ukraine or Russian girl scammers are quite rare..a lot of this has been perverted by internet marriage agencies, only a handful of these are honest and at the end of the day even an honest agency can not filter out or completely eliminate dishonest girls who join there sites but the good ones are trying there best but its impossible to read minds and predict human nature until evidence of bad behaviour presents itself.
In the same token, there are also bad guys on the internet searching these girls out.
Yes my girl is the same one, we are going steady, Apal and thats why last year I chucked in letter writing ect. and making contact with foreign girls, does not happen anymore..I still get the occassional contact in my hotmail box which I ignore, I got rid of all my known profiles on the net but there is no telling what agencies sold my profile on to others..wholesale selling, stealing and trading of agency profiles goes on very widely on the net, I would like to think I cleaned up at least 90% of it as I only rarely get a contact now in the hotmail box but one or two every couple of months seems to happen.
Aussie> Agreed on its impossible to predice a person's real human nature until something bad happens and then people lose that face facade real quick. It's why its actually true that you really don't know someone until you fight with them...
Some of the aspects you mention are correct but I repeat that many girls consider Western guys as rich because they don't know what life costs nor in Ukraine neither in a Western country. 24k is a very good income in Ukraine so they think it must be the same in any country. I made this experience. Maybe some start understanding that there are differences.
Living in Kiev and having a normal job a girl can't afford to have her own home - anything is expensive for her: If you can't even buy a cheap Korean car a small Ford e.g. is not very different from a Porsche because such people can't afford either. Maybe her girlfriend's friend earn 10x you do you're still the guy who is expected to pay because you're rich.
If you start bragging with how much you earn you will get the attention you deserve and, of course, you can "buy" a girl; if she decides to leave home just for your income you should stay away from her. If she relies just on her partner's money it'll be hard but at least where I come from both partners usually work. I know such mixed couples and I know money is a problem as such women usually are not used to handle it but I suppose that they didn't marry for money or the chances they didn't have in Ukraine. At least most of them didn't marry for that reason.
Bars frequented by Westeners attract hookers. No doubt about it. Some of the girls only want to have fun.
Cor: Much of what you posted above is accurate, but for the fact you are speaking only of the cheap trash. When you dig further into these countries people you start to break through and find the real deal. The real deal is very different.
@ Dumromin: I wouldn't say that I'm talking about cheap trash. There's a quit a lot of dishonest people and the difficult economic situation of a great part of Ukrainian, Russian or Byelorussian population makes such fraud seem an easy way to get money.
Ukrainian girls are waiting for the prince to come like most other girls all over the world. The first prince will be a guy from the neighborhood or university and she'll get married at the age of 20. The palace he takes her to is often just his parents' apartment and only if both of them are working they can afford their own tiny and shappy home in the outskirts of Kiev. After a few years she'll be divorced, in many cases after having experienced violence and alcoholism.
At this point the girl might be so disappointed the she'll take any guy who promises her a better life. Women who places their data on a marriage agency's page probably will decide to date the man with the higher income since they don't know the person. If it comes to real feelings, also a Ukrainian girl will decide with the man she loves no matter if he's a local or a Westerner and she will accept him even though her prince is broke and unemployed. Well, I suppose there aren't enough unmarried millionaires seeking for Russian brides anyway.
@ Apal1: It's quite typical for Americans to think that it's the money that counts. If you consider the cost of a marriage agency and all the office stuff you'r right. If you think you're muse will decide herself for you because of economical reasons you'll always be afraid she might find someone wealthier than you. If you think that money is that important you'll probably find some girl with the same opinion.
You need to make 34k a year in Australia before you can be considered as being financially qualified to sponsor a foreign fiance to Australia, this is before tax and is considered a low income here, some families/couples will get a low income health care card that entitles them to all prescription medicines at only $5 each, discounts on all utility bills and land taxes ( or rates ), vehicle registration discount etc. on this kind of money.
The average income in Australia now is approximately $57,000 per year before tax, this is weighted national average, many people get far less than this, a factory worker/labourer would be on 34k a year.
A qualifeid tradesman in manufacturing gets between 60 and 70k, highest paid teacher in my state gets 65k before tax.
A lawyer ( or solicitor or attorney ) in a small firm 100 to 130k a year.
A Nurse, only about 50k, they work hard for there money, special qualified nurses, more.
Doctors working in the public hospital system about 80k, private specialists over 100k.
Most professional/trades occupations only pay in the region of 60 to 150k a year on average, only if you are a chairman of the board or big boss or knob, you might get 250k to 5 Meg before tax, the workers that do all the work get nothing while the fat cat bosses get over paid.
60k a year don't buy much..its not rich..FSU girls are dreaming if they can find a guy earning much more than this, "chairman of the board type men" will not be interested in them, they can buy a local girl for a fook anytime, date whoever they want locally, they won't go to the trouble of mucking around and travelling 16,000 kilometres to a foreign country for a girl and wait 6 to 12 months for a fiance visa to be cut for them!
The rich local men are no different than the rich Ukrainian and Russian men with the fook 'em and use 'em and dump 'em attitude to move on to the next female adventure, change girls like changing socks!
Wake up Ukraina and Russian girls...the West is not a dream..your home can be far better!
I was talking about Western or central European countries (what you call the "old" EU) where the average income is about 15.000 € (taxes and social security already having been withdrawn). That's a salary a couple can live with, of course without luxur, but it's almost a rule that both partners work. If there are children women usually stay at home for some time but they family at least gets some aid from the state. You must have a minimum income to invite people - it depends on the personal situation - but first of all a girl doesn't need a fiancée visa. It's possible to invite a friend without the declared intention to marry her/him.
Even living from 15.000 € a year (about 24.000 US$) in a Western country is better than living from a normal income in Ukraine although it's far away from luxury either. There are Ukrainian doctors and scientists living and working illegally as cleansing men or waiters as the earn way more there than in their qualified jobs at home - let's not mention the prostitutes.
A girl may dream of a millionaire - and there are millionaires in Ukraine and Russia as well - but I suppose that there aren't too many successful lawyers and businessmen looking for women on sites who "offer" Russian brides. Men who seek their love on such pages aren't losers but I think most of them are average having an average income and having experienced some frustration in the relationships they'd had before. Girls who are just expecting to find really rich people will be disappointed even if it isn't their intention to be dishonest.