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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > My Nikolaev Ukraine experience - June 2008 Part 2 Author Post Joninfla Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/16/2008 11:53:42 AM   I am from Florida and I had the benefit of traveling with a Ukrainian family who live here in Florida and were visiting their family in the Ukraine. We flew from New York to Kiev, and then took a bus to the city of Kharkov. I stayed with the Ukrainian family for a few days while in Kharkov. I have to admit, I was not impressed with this city as it seemed kind of dumpy and run down, and I never really saw any women there I had any interest in, so I was looking forward to my trip to Nikolaev. I took a train from Kharkov to Nikolaev. I only point this out because if you are not familiar with the Ukrainian train system, you will be in for a shock. The cars are old, and the lights in all the cabins did not even work, so there I was in a cabin with two other people in the dark who I could not talk with. I had the misfortune of being assigned the top bunk, and thank God I am still in decent shape to hoist myself into these beds. In any event, most cities in the Ukraine have bus service that runs between all the major cities in the Ukraine. I would strongly recommend taking the bus or plane, and not the train if you can avoid it. I arranged to stay in my own apartment while in Nikolaev. The apartment was close to town with plenty of restaurants. I really was impressed with this city as it was clean, the food was good, and the people were very friendly. I know there are some blogs where guys have wrote negative things about this city, but I really did not find any of this to be true. My understanding is that Nikolaev has only been open to foreigners for only 10 years, so they may be a little behind the times economically but I actually think Nikolaev was in better condition than Kharkov. During my stay, I managed to meet up with an American guy and his girlfriend who live in Nikolaev. When I told them about my experience with the agency, they explained that most of the girls who are members of the agency make a commission for every letter they receive and write. They actually showed me an ad in a local newspaper for an agency that was looking for women to join. The agency splits the money 50/50 with the women for each letter sent and received. So now I understood why some of my ladies backed out of meeting with me. They really never had any intention of meeting. So for you guys who receive so many letters from women, beware, this is how they make a living. When I step back and look at the big picture of what I know and have now experienced, I would say that when many of these agencies started back in the early 90's, they were for the most part legit and many guys found their brides in a place like the Ukraine, but somewhere along the way, they also realized that they could make even more money buy offering to pay women to write letters. Once this happened, it has compromised the integrity of the entire process. The sad part of all this is that there are women in the Ukraine who are serious about finding a partner in another country, but knowing which ladies are really looking for someone versus the Ladies who are in it for the money is not easy to determine. So my advice to you is as follows if you decide to use an agency: 1) Avoid any woman under the age of 25. 2) Know when you are planning to take a trip to the Ukraine, and only write for say 1 month before your trip, and tell them in the first letter when you will be coming. Hopefully, this will cut down on your expense of writing endless letters, and weed out the ladies who just want to keep you writing with no intention of a meeting. 3) The Anastasia company says that you can ask for the ladies phone number two weeks prior to your trip, so try and get her phone number if you can. This is another big sign if she is serious about meeting you or not if she agrees to give you her phone number. If what I just shared scares you from the agencies, and you should be scared, what I also would like to suggest is finding the Ukrainian community in your area. In most areas of the United States at least, you can find them on the Internet. Most are affiliated with a church, so you could make some friends there who know ladies in the Ukraine who are friends or family that might be interested in meeting you. Finally, I did meet up with an American guy who lives in Nikolaev who can help you with determining if the lady you are writing to is for real before you spend a huge sum on letters, so if you are interested, please write me and I can pass along his email address to you. One last point, there are so many negative people on this forum saying how the Ukraine is full of scammers, which is not true. Actually, if you want to blame someone, blame the American operators of these agencies who have created this environment. Don't you think if Match.com or one of the other domestic agencies started paying women to join, the result would be any different? Think about it, and don't be discouraged if you don't find someone immediately. Of course you hear of the success stories, but I can almost guarantee that most of those guys who did find their soul mate had to go through a great deal of time and expense to get there. Good Luck, Jon joninflorida65@yahoo.com grant Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/16/2008 3:15:01 PM   Interesting story jon and interesting forum maybe i can gleen some info here.. I myself am 42 years of age from Derby u.k. I agree with you about letter writing-about a month yes, then go out there. i disagree about your observation about avoid any lady under 25. Now i am in a loving physical relationship with a 19 year old from the so called scam capital of Lugansk for the past 5 months and i am very happy. Quite different personality from my previous lady NO requests for money here from this lady. For me Lugansk has been a happy hunting ground as i was previously in a 9 month relationship with an 18 year there back in 2006.The only reason i ended that was because i did not like her chain smoking and frequent requests for money.Thes ladies monetary values are not set in stone-they are not ALL money grabbers-some are though-it is just a case of dating a lot of them to find out. For myself i only like 18 to 20 year olds and i dont give a toss if she looks like my daughter.The only people that seem to be aware of this is issue is when i take her back to England.In ukraine age difference is irrelevant. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/16/2008 4:42:06 PM   "when i take her back to England.In ukraine age difference is irrelevant. " grant: You the MAN! (But seriously, I like the way t=you think!) grant Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/16/2008 6:27:10 PM   Hey Jet thanks for the vote Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/16/2008 6:50:02 PM   grant, I mean you no disrespect but you have a lot to learn. devilmaycare Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/17/2008 2:31:20 PM   I agree, the majority of girls looking for someone 20+ years older are looking primarily for a sponsor or for a visa. Jazzy Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/20/2008 10:16:16 PM   I don't think so, there are more sincere women than their counterparts. whizjk Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/21/2008 5:31:22 AM   grant-It depends really there are many young ladies married to ugly men just look at actor Michael Douglas but of course men like this have the cushion of money to fall back on and many women like this cushion whatever country man is in. apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/22/2008 6:35:28 AM   I liked Nikolaev. Just watch out for Hotel Continent. Had the misfortune of having to stay there for one night. Never again... You guys that say 18 yr olds are all insincere are talking from lack of real experience btw. Some are indeed ready for marriage, some aren't and just want a rich boyfriend. In Colombia South America its the same... looks are everything to girls this age though... so you better be better looking than normal. My range is 18-25... anything older looks older than me. ;) apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/22/2008 6:37:17 AM   Oh and I definately agree that a lot of these girls DO get reimbursed from the agency. Yet not as much as 50/50. Get real - this is Ukraine we're talking about. No agency owner in their right mind is going to part with 50%... unless they tell the girl the price per letter is 10% of the REAL profit they make. ;) dcv Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/22/2008 7:56:58 PM   Grant it is good that a man of your age can get an 18 year old woman I hope you will post your wedding photos on here too.If she does not want to go dancing and playing volleyball or not asking for regular amounts of cash that is definite bonus for you. traveling man Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/22/2008 10:01:39 PM   hi guys it is true, i have 2 friends there in sumy that are interpretors and they told me how the girls are paid, so take the advice of john, date the girls above 25/26 years old and do not write until you are about to show up.i have been to ukraine many times and found what john has said is true- the women 26 and older want a loving husband, the girls 26 and younger want to have fun or work on their education or career. once a ukrainian woman hits 26 i was told that she wants to have kids right away and every time i go visit sumy or kiev all the girls i meet say this is true. apal1 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 7/22/2008 11:03:18 PM   DCV> Actually those are my fun activities to do anyways. It's just I steer clear of those asking for cash. As soon as someone says they want to find a rich man, I know they have ambitions never to work one day for the rest of their life and will leave ANY man who doesn't satisfy that big dream one day. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > My Nikolaev Ukraine experience - June 2008 Part 2
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