i have some doubts about travelling to Simferopol. I have been writing to a girl for about 6 months and we seem to get on like a house on fire. I told her i want to get a hotel but she insists on me getting an apartment. Is it best to let her get one or for me to just get a hotel? I hope it is not like the movie HOSTEL? Could it be because they won't let them into the hotel? Could it be maybe they want an alternative place to get away to from family? I dont have an idea. Could possibly someone give me some ideas which would be best or should I see her in another town?
Thanks guys. Any answers?
Maurice.
Ive never stayed in a hotel in Ukraine. Dont get your expectations up. Apartments are discrete, better appointments for the price and allow you to cook if you want.
Be careful, good hotels are the exception, not the rule outside of Kiev/Odess. In a lot of cities they can be less than 1-star. Most are overpriced and some don't even have hot water. Even the supposed 5-star room I stayed in had hot-water problems.
You'd think Nikolaev would have nice hotels. I learned the hard way during winter that isn't the case. Hotel Continent had no hot water, room was 1000% overpriced for an equivalent western hotel room. Steer clear of this dive. Cheapest room was $79.00! USD
gotonikolaev.com is owned by a very good guy Dmitri and his places are very western. I'd highly recommend him, because his photos aren't retouched or taken in the best light like a lot of apartment sites.
In Simferpol I don't know. Lots of Ukraine young people go there on their vacation I hear. I'm sure they stay somewhere, but its Ukraine style travel, not western.
Apartments are the best option in Ukraine. Let her pic out a few apartments and send you the photos. Her agency might be getting a cut (they might own them). So make sure the price is $35-75/day. If its more, than it better be of very high quality else the agency is going to be gouging you.
What do you have against apartments? Firstly, it is less expensive than hotels, secondly, you are more free to do what you want in an apartment, you can cook together, etc...
As for choosing a place away from the family, I would not trouble too much, if you have never met this girl in real life, would you take her to meet your family the first time you date?
I even think it is a great idea that she wants to plan your stay and to do things for you to make your stay more comfortable. Would you prefer someone who is passive in your relationship and always wait for you to make decisions? Just go and enjoy your time together and hopefully it works out well.
No way dont go for a apartment! Especially when its your first meeting! I will relate the experience of someone who travelled to the Ukraine and allowed his lady to arrange his apartment.He was a ex member of here.......
Having arrived he was met in the airport by his girl and 2 other girls her cousin and friend they went for lunch where he paid for them all (well he said it didnt cost too much)
I had told him go for a hotel but he trusted her and went for the apartment. Having arrived back at the apartment her cousin demanded 300 euros he said he was slightly drunk from wine and very tired and leave it till the morning where she told him he was mean etc he never brought flowers for the girl (he had actually brought a canon camera as a present) He got angry and said you bitch i just paid for you to eat and stuff your face for free.
So she got some Russian dude on the phone who threatened him ,so he paid and left for a hotel in the morning....Alot of money for one night 300 euros!
When I met my wife I just went for a hotel and she had no problem..I worry why she wants you to go for a apartment.
I think the issue is not so much hotel vs. apartment, but arranging everything independently.
I've spent quite a bit of time in Ukraine, and I've learned not to trust anyone. Even friends of my Ukranian friends tried to screw me.
Personally, I would not let someone who I had never met arrange an apartment for me. Find your own apartment; it's not difficult. Arrange your own ride from the airport.
After you've been in the apartment, unpacked, and gotten organized, then go meet her.
If things don't work out you're independent and can do what you want.
Colin, with due all respect, perhaps your friend did not behave properly when he got drunk. I cannot understand how your friend would be able to get drunk on a first date, what impression would that leave to that girl and her cousin? Why do you think that girl asked her cousin and her friend to go along with her? Do you think that for a girl on a first date giving her a camera is such a wonderful present? You met your wife in a hotel, do you think it would have made any difference if you met her in an apartment? Fact is you and your wife matched each other, so there was no problem and not because you choose a hotel instead of an apartment.
I do agree with VNVnation, it is hard to trust friends from friends, even your own friends will sometimes make advantage of you. But it is hard to arrange your own apartment if you live abroad. Even if you can arrange the apartment, the owner of the apartment would still rip you off when they know you are foreigner. So, why don't you allow her to arrange, at least you would know where you will stand and how much it will cost. If you think it will be not worth it, you can still choose differently, but I don't think because she wants to arrange the appartment, it must be something bad. Ask yourself, what is the purpose of meeting that girl, if you already have so much doubt about her being sincere or not, what kind of relationship will you have?
One thing many dont see is that if you are going to meet someone special who you expect to spend the rest of your life with you will expect them to do the right thing by you.
If they use the apartment as a scam or it is not well organised then it will tell you a lot about her for the future.
It is not a high risk to let her do it but it can tell you a lot about her. If it is great so much the better.
Is a few hundred bucks of inconvenience if it doesnt work out mean much against what is says of your future partner.
Yes, of course, if you plan to marry a girl you expect her to do the right thing. But, in my opinion, that only makes sense after you have met in person.
Before meeting in person, I don't take anything for granted. You can't know if she is sincere, honest, or even real.
I'd say the worst case scenario is a lot worse than a few hundred bucks of inconvenience.
Maurice: have you talked to her on the phone? Your post only said that you've written.
Colin> If your friend was to stay a week, 300 euros is a deal. I think your friend was drunk and may have just insulted them in the misunderstanding... You do have to pay up front for any place. He may actually have been in the wrong not to pay up front. I don't know a single hotel (or apartment) that would have let him stay without checking in and paying.
Not everyone is a scammer, but people do get insulted very easily if they don't know you. Corruption is very common in the FSU, but if you treat them with respect they generally will return the favor, just keep your wits about you. People take advantage if you give them the opportunity - just don't let them, but don't be cheap and rude if you expect to do well over there.
My first trip to Odessa, I arranged and booked an apartment online myself. The photos were like glamour shots some girls get (didn't look anything at all like the photos, but you could see the vague similarity). It wasn't worth the price quoted at all.
Near the end of my stay, the apartment owner called to try to kick me out by saying they were renovating. I told them no, because I knew they were trying to get someone else in and move me out. I told them I'd contact the police if they tried to do anything. They backed off. The moment I did move out, they had it booked by some other person that wasn't thrilled the moment they saw it either. ;0
And hotels aren't much better, in one city, I was booked into the worst room they had. After a week, I upgraded and the senior girl on staff rebooking me was apologetic someone had given me the oldest room they had. It happens. It's Ukraine...
"My first trip to Odessa, I arranged and booked an apartment online myself. The photos were like glamour shots some girls get (didn't look anything at all like the photos, but you could see the vague similarity). It wasn't worth the price quoted at all."
Funny Apal....sounds strangely familiar to how the girls describe you!!
Guess we are booking apts in different sites...happy with mine....never a problem yet. In many cases you get what you pay for.
I have always been a proponent of apartments but this last trip I, my friend, and her 11 year old son stayed in the Intourist Motel in Yalta and I must say that I was very pleased at what we got for the price. The room cost was 120 per night but included in that was a full breakfast buffet, an Olympic size pool with water polo and aerobic events twice a day with cots and umbrellas furnished, a private beach with cots and umbrellas furnished, billiards, table tennis, a dolphin show and her son was able to swim with the dolphins (show was free, swimming with dolphins extra), and many other free activities that we did not use.
If you are from the states the rooms probably compared to Motel 6 rooms but there was a small refrigerator in them and a balcony overlooking the sea and mountains. So the price would be high if it was just for the room but very reasonable with everything included.
We ate out the first night but she did not like the prices so insisted on buying food at the market and making our evening meal and snacks during the day. So we ate a big breakfast on the motel and a smaller evening meal. We did take an excursion one day to Mehor, Alupka, and took a ship up the coast of the black sea. But I felt the Motel was right for this trip.
Beem> Actually on my last trip I was repeatedly told my photos are pretty bad compared with me in real life. Btw, all my photos are crap amateur webcam shots. I was thinking of doing the glamour photo thing, but after hearing all the stories of so many men not looking remotely like their pics and disappointing girls, I aim for the opposite affect. So tell me who this person is that said that anyways? Because I've only met 3 girls in Ukraine who belonged to an agency.
L'o'Oz> Yeah I stayed in Intourist in Zaporozyhe and it had some nice rooms at that same rate. Internet bill jumped the bill up to $5 to 20.00+ a day (just like in Colombia) where they charge extravagent rates for any Internet. I wished that hotel had a pool, but since they had trouble with hot water, I can imagine the ice cold pool greeting me. In Auckland NZ, the hotel metropolis I lived in has a huge olympic size heated swimming pool and the huge jacuzzi on the side is steaming hot.
I like hotels if there is a major 4-5 star hotel in the city, because its safer for one and someone speaks English and can help and you don't have to wait long for a taxi. Great if you don't speak Russian. Ever try that in an Apartment? I did, and just ended up calling the agency to help.
"So tell me who this person is that said that anyways?"
Are you troubled by what a girl says about you apal??? Who said she was from an agency.....I do wonder if every girl you meet ends up with something negative to say. I would not worry about what a girl says anyways!!!
I agree in sending regular photos, nothing worse than meeting a girl and you don't recognize her.
Of the grils I have met, only 2 was better in person..what's that about 6%.
I've never met a girl better than her pictures. But as you know I usually don't stick to agencies if I wasn't interested in the girl. I just do the normal tourist thing, but atleast give it a try to get me to go to a new place. And no I'm not troubled by a girl if she's not someone I'm interested in. what's the point?
If I were heading to Simperfol, I'd just do some research and hit a hotel on the first part of the visit and then if I like the girl, settle into an apartment. But then I usually vacation for multiple weeks at a time, unless its to Cancun or someplace for a quick jetaway.