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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Evelina Petrova Author Post jimod Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/10/2008 6:03:19 AM   Has anyone had any experiences with someone of this name? I think she is from Zelenodolsk, Tatarstan. She scammed me out of euro 8,500. Yes I know, more fool me, but she is very good at it. Jim Kirkland Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/10/2008 11:28:15 AM   8500... she'll be partying for a while. How long did it take her to get that lot out of you? Couldn't you see it coming? Should have gone to specsavers. Sorry, but in my first experience of a scammer she got into the 3rd letter before I smelled fish. The 5th letter she asked for money...end of story. She was one of the more notorious scammers...quite well known. Tatiana was her name, but she/he used other names and other emails I later discovered. The name she used to contact me was Lyubov. So in answer to your question the name could mean nothing....doesn't come up on google unlike my princess who is all over the net. Google Tatiana Botvinkina and you'll see how it works. Even google images has her in various guises. ben2006 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/10/2008 12:19:21 PM   how the hell could that happen? "I think she is from Zelenodolsk, Tatarstan." wtf... so you haven't meet her? unbelievable nicknocks Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/10/2008 12:43:12 PM   What did she say to get that kind of money out of you? Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/10/2008 7:14:28 PM   Probably 'I love you, I want to come and visit you, the ticket & visa cost X amount, hint, hint, hint, I'll sleep with you' etc. etc. etc. and 'muggings' parts with EUR8,500.00 Dunromin Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/10/2008 9:04:41 PM   Jim: Get one thing through your head, big head that is, there is NO she....!!!! Your lovely was ball bearing not child bearing. For 8.5K you were sold photos and some soothing words, nothing more. Sorry to hear your story, you are one of thousands. Don't expect a call from Putin or Medvedev anytime soon. aussieman41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/11/2008 8:55:09 PM   jimod, you stupid man...don't send these girls any money for any reason..you meet a stranger on the internet, a fsu girl or pretender, you can't tell one way or another and you send it money...dumb, very dumb...the epithamy of stupidity! You don't send them any money after a personal meeting either..you pay the embassy direct for the fiance visa through immigration authority in your home country ( don't send money for visa to her ), the airfare for her you pay direct to the airline in your country and so its only refundable to you as the guy ( never send airfare money direct to a FSU or any foreign woman for fiance visa travel to your country )..there are many instances where the FSU girl has played the guy at the personal meeting and afterwards, asked for cash money for the airfare and fiance visa through Western Union or bank money transfer, and then she disappears and pisses off with your money and does not follow through on the fiance visa and promise to you ( its a more common scam to do this, the clever and patient ones will play this one out because they know asking for money over the internet before a personal meeting generally does not work anymore..this is becoming a trademark scam by Ukrainian girls, you read a lot reports about it )...don't trust them until you really know them personally and that can take years..you can't trust someone you spent 2 weeks or 2 months with..it takes much longer than that..wake up guys..these are like all woman..they know how to manipulate and fool you, the clever ones, you need to analyse and be alert and see through it and watch for all the red flags and tell tale signs that it not on the level. ( oh, I never trusted Irina, I was always sceptical about her to the point where a personal meeeting was not justified because of a bad feeling in my gut..follow your gut instincts, if it feels bad or suspicious, then it usually is! ) Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/12/2008 3:46:50 AM   Aussieman, So the only expenses, or gift(s), after an initial meeting, will be a visa and air ticket? What is this, 'Wham bam thank you maam'? jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/12/2008 5:16:41 AM   I think "odd Jim" has been scared away and will not give us any more details on how he was scammed. That's unfortunate as it might have helped to know. Now the only person we have left who is expert and experienced in being taken-to-the-cleaners is danny. But he's not bright eneough to give us any practical or useful information on it. Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/12/2008 5:22:33 AM   He's not a cleaver person like you jetmba :) aussieman41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/12/2008 11:13:55 AM   The airfare and visa ( with associated costs such as the medical exam ) are the most expensive items Martin and the guy can make payment on these in his home country through travel agents and immigration authorities...for FSU women to come to Australia you are looking at around $2300 for a cheap return airfare with 12 months validity ( you buy a return airfare in case it does not work out after she arrives in your patch and she can piss off home on the one ticket, to buy one way ticket out is nearly as expensive as the return airfare and if it does not work out and you have to buy another ticket one way back, the airfare cost can blow out to a total of around $3800 whereas a 12 month return ticket is around $2300, saving yourself a total of $1500 or so on 2 single one way tickets..be financially smart and think and save, its cost you enough without paying more if it goes to the shit ), the visa itself and medicals for Australia will cost around $1600 AUD for a grand total of $3900 or so with airfare..you don't send this kind of cash to a FSU or foreign woman and trust her with it, Martin..are you on drugs or something or hit the piss too hard and suffering from excessive "brain cell killoff"...you send $3900 to her and trust her to pay the airfare and visa?...she won't...she will take off with it, its like gold to them..2 years tax free salary and a fortune..she won't care and rip you off..it happens all the time..don't put them in the position to give them the temptation to do it by sending them this kind of cash..pay everything yourself and you are in control and not trusting what essentially still is a stranger!..wake up people! Rag'n'Bull Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/12/2008 2:45:48 PM   aussieman, The point I was making that after initial meeting you seemed not to be allowing time for any relationship, or further meetings, before applying for the visa etc. and that is a recipe for disaster ..... almost as much a disaster as not using contraception and putting a b@st@rd in the oven. aussieman41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/13/2008 1:14:25 AM   Martin, for an Aussie because of the astronomical airfares, visa costs and other costs as we are so far away from the FSU and the exorbitant immigration fees our government charges ( also the draconian screening measures and procedures ), you will only have the time and money to do one personal visit..you need to get it right the first time so there is no rushing into this for an Australian guy..you need to write, telephone the girl over a period of 4 to 6 months before you go on a personal visit..our embassy wants information about how you meet her and what caused you to go to the personal meeting ( the establishment off and lead up time to a personal meeting...its expected you would have corresponded/telephoned for a reasonable amount of time before going to the personal meeting and even then the ideal situation is to spend at least 1 month with her over in FSU at the personal meeting to convince them, its a genuine and real relationship...it makes it a hell of a lot easier to get a fiance visa for her that way..you can show over a substantial period of time how the relationship developed...they don't give away fiance visas on minimal evidence and in my case BECAUSE I have had one foreign bride/marriage BEFORE, this is my last chance in my life for it and I would be scrutinised far more as a visa sponsor ). In any case Martin, the fiance visa for Australia ( the Prospective Marriage sub-class 300 visa ) is a capped and restricted visa class here...out of an annual migration intake of 120,000, they only allow 5,000 of this type of visa to be issued each year so its not easy to get one..you have to prove yourself to them and so does she! Because of the difficulty of getting an Australian fiance visa ( sub class 300 visa ), I strongly recommend to any Australian contemplating to marry a foreign country girl, to engage a registered Australian migration agent/legal firm to do the immigration paperwork and instruct you and her what to do to get this to work out! aussieman41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/13/2008 1:16:04 AM   Martin, for an Aussie because of the astronomical airfares, visa costs and other costs as we are so far away from the FSU and the exorbitant immigration fees our government charges ( also the draconian screening measures and procedures ), you will only have the time and money to do one personal visit..you need to get it right the first time so there is no rushing into this for an Australian guy..you need to write, telephone the girl over a period of 4 to 6 months before you go on a personal visit..our embassy wants information about how you meet her and what caused you to go to the personal meeting ( the establishment off and lead up time to a personal meeting...its expected you would have corresponded/telephoned for a reasonable amount of time before going to the personal meeting and even then the ideal situation is to spend at least 1 month with her over in FSU at the personal meeting to convince them, its a genuine and real relationship...it makes it a hell of a lot easier to get a fiance visa for her that way..you can show over a substantial period of time how the relationship developed...they don't give away fiance visas on minimal evidence and in my case BECAUSE I have had one foreign bride/marriage BEFORE, this is my last chance in my life for it and I would be scrutinised far more as a visa sponsor ). In any case Martin, the fiance visa for Australia ( the Prospective Marriage sub-class 300 visa ) is a capped and restricted visa class here...out of an annual migration intake of 120,000, they only allow 5,000 of this type of visa to be issued each year so its not easy to get one..you have to prove yourself to them and so does she! Because of the difficulty of getting an Australian fiance visa ( sub class 300 visa ), I strongly recommend to any Australian contemplating to marry a foreign country girl, to engage a registered Australian migration agent/legal firm to do the immigration paperwork and instruct you and her what to do to get this to work out! But at the end of the day..I am not doing this as I have a girl and quit last year! Dunromin Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/13/2008 9:26:56 AM   Goodness gracious, great balls ON fire...!!! A/M, I delight in your logic, don't send a penny because the visa and airfare in is your biggest expense? ...................Wait, I am back after ten minutes lying on the floor rolling about laughing. Sorry to disappoint but you are, lets say, not entirely accurate. Your calculations above are based on having one hand on the eject button all the way in. SC300 (Prospective marriage) visas are not designed to try-before-you-buy. To obtain one you have already registered an intention to marry which is a legal document. I tend to take such things quite seriously actually. To each his own. Nevertheless, please induge me to address a couple of other points you raise. If, $3900.00 as you lay it out is pushing the extent of your financial capability in this business, then exit stage left whilst you can afford to. Add a zero (before the decimal) and you may be getting close ol' chap.....Maybe. Your cost projection seems to be based on one or perhaps two visitations and IMO that is dicing with death. Marry a stranger if you will, but honestly, I always rather liked to at least know a ladies first name before I would "pant's" her and I generally liked to be able to spell it before going to sleep beside her. ~shrug~ Did someone mention marriage here? I guess not. I am often described as being a "Hash Bastard" and perhaps it is true, however, I implore people to think a little about the other party in these relationships. This other party is a woman who will pack all and sundry to commit a life to another. Goodness gracious, is it only your balls on fire or is there something, just something little would do, in the corner of your heart? IIRC A/M you have been bitten by an international marriage before. Given that, your views seem understandable in the recovery therefrom, nevertheless, they also indicate you are in no way ready to take on the emotional load which an international marriage, particularly one to a Slavic woman will bring. I'm not in the business of bagging anyone, particularly a countryman, however I found your post rather distrubing to say the least. Regarding those who may take you for a ride, the clue to avoiding those is in the one or two visitation routine. Dicing with death. BTW, this is not a poor man's sport. It take a serious slab of cake to pull it all together. aussieman41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/16/2008 7:39:27 AM   The local girl is the best..I will never wonder "what if"....theres too much bureau bullszhit with marrying foreign girls..too much can go wrong with a resultant huge expense and more than a year can be wasted on visa waiting/travel/government bs procedures on one woman you hardly know and spent time with...it is too expensive and problematic...I don't recommend this for an Australian guy, they don't give away fiance visas here, it is a capped in annual numbers restricted visa, only 5000 allowed each year, been like that for years and last year our total migrant intake was 120,000...only about 4% of the migrant intake is permitted for fiance visa...very small percentage, very stringent rules applied. The Australian visa system for foreign fiance visas has become much harder and tougher today than when I did this in 1989...the fundamental rules are the same but the added on conditions, enhanced requirements and conditions since then and especially the changes since 1998 make for a frustratingly impossible and expensive system and there is bias and scrutiny against women from the poorer nations and the ones well known for scammers which are Ukraine and Russia...there has been a lot of negative publicity and problems with brides from these countries and in 2003 the Australian government cracked down on FSU sham marriages, frauds and immigration scams...all visas for female FSU nationals are much harder to get...a single FSU female will never get a tourist visa approved under her own standing for Australia...if she does get here and she says she did it herself...its a lie...someone else sponsored her here, a close family relative or company on a work visa...no strange man she meet on the internet could do it! aussieman41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/18/2008 4:05:06 AM   I have been vocal and sometimes critical of foreign country women mixed marriages..there are lots of cons with it. Lets put ourselves in her shoes, a FSU girls shoes: 1. You are going to remove her from the country eg. Ukraine that she has always loved and known...she will loose contact with her many "girlfriends" she used to hang out with ( especially younger 20 something girls ) and will not be able to be with her friends anymore and do what she loves and always known....its a negative prospect for her..she has to give up much and become bored in her new Western country! 2. What about you, as the guy..how will she fit into "your circle of friends"? In my case I don't have many female friends she could talk to, maybe 2 at the most that are married and have husbands...all the rest are males...the situation will be totally alien to her...the recipe for this will be boredom and disillusionment in her new country...your "friends" are simply not "her friends"..her friends are back in the Ukraine and your western friends will never be able to replace or substitute her friends back home..its that simple. 3. Because she can't do her own social things and interaction of what she did in Ukraine and do the things that are normal in her culture in your Western country, it is very likely after a while she will hate it and want to go home, this is especially true of girls under 30..its a recipe for disaster. I think this is the main reason a lot of fiance visas end in no marriage and she goes back home..your love can not replace all she has lost and given up...it can't replace the home country and her life! When I weighed all this up and my own situation, this marrying of a FSU women did not compute...its best to leave them be where they will be happy, not bring it into an alien enviroment! aussieman41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/18/2008 8:52:17 PM   In my old ex 2007 FSU women contact Irina, in one site where she had "the in your face..too frank scarry profile" she talked about "not wanting a melancholy life in a western country"..I honestly think this means staying at home with her Western husband and not hanging out with her girly friends..this is what she means by melancholy...ie boring life. The girl was 26, in Ukraine summer she would travel 350km every weekend from Krivoy Rog to Crimea with her young girlfriends and maybe boyfriends ( its likely they were up her hole anyway ) and hang out at the beach and clubs...this is what she said in her letters...in other words she did not want to sit at home on the weekends as a "Western wife" when the weather was good...the so called lifestyle with "active rest", out and about with her friends at the beach and clubs/disco. This is what you would expect of a mid 20S Ukraine woman...wtf?, would she want to marry a 40 or 50 something western guy ( she wanted 35 to 55 years age range western man in her profile, that one anyway ) he has "a melancholy life at home"...way past discos and night clubs..too old for that scene...the whole thing does not compute for me and this would be a typical 20 something single Ukrainian womans lifestyle....why do they want to come to the West and have a melancholy life...this is why the 20 something FSU girls fall apart with western guys more than 10 years older than them...it does not work...the young ones don't live like babooshkas or have old traditional values, they can be just as active and roudy as a "Western ladette"...Ukrainian ladette with old 40 something or older western guy, a too old fart with a melancholy life..wake up guys..this is the reality of it..old farts pursuing 20 something FSU ladettes with active life of everything ( even between the legs )...does not work, recipe for disaster! aussieman41 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/19/2008 5:14:27 AM   My Aussie fiance does not understand why any Australian man would feel the need to import a foreign wife when there are plenty of girls already here ( questions why I did it with my first wife..thinks I was stupid and desperate but I pointed out to her her first marriage was to a euro man of Spanish descent who was a violent fruit cake and she said she was too..the guy changed after marrying her and belt her black and blue and tried to strangle her and she fled and divorced him after 3 months..sounds like what happens when a FSU women marries a western guy and he changes and goes on a power trip like what happenned to that poor woman Anastasia King, young and 21 and murdered by her US fruitcake husband that spurred the IMBRA laws into existence ) any case she does not see the need for foreign fiances in Australia. She thinks Australian men don't think of the consequences of marrying foreign girls and thinks Russian/Ukraine/Asian girls only marry the Aussie guy to come here for the easy life away from the poorness of there countries. She blames the stupid men more than the girls for marrying a "foreign import" She thinks the foreign girls are better off in there own countries..too much can go wrong on both sides with these marriages and the girls can be wide open to abuse and scarred to report it or at the other end of the scale use the guy for a marriage of convenience and then dump him in a divorce and get a fat property settlement taking the guy to the cleaners..either way the Aussie guy is stupid for marrying one in the first place..say it isn't so? nasfan6 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 8/19/2008 7:32:46 AM   Aussie I thought you were getting married. Why are you wasting eveyones time here with your inexperience in the FSU. The reality of it is you didn't have the baells to make the trip, you got shot down multitude of times, now just like other Aussies in here, rip the women from the FSU. You're a joke and have been all along. Good luck in your nuptials, at least that may keep you away from filling this forum with litany of never being there. You're experience at the key board will be truly missed by other keyboard travlers like yourself. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Evelina Petrova
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