PS: I am not against them, Ukraine and Russian girls..I think over the last 10 years they have become an over marketed product by agencies trying to sell something thats not reality for the sake of making money..the profits in this by agencies and by scammers is too good and the lies, corruption and misconception surrounding them has totally contaminated the scene..you will find very few that are good and honest..I think the percentage that may be o.k and trustworthy is very similar to the percentage of men who actual follow through on a personal visit ( whether that works or fails ) to Ukraine/FSU, something less than 5% of those on the internet, ,leaving 95% as bad, questionable,not serious or just players/pro daters etc.? in the mix..the odds are very poor to succeed here, you have much better odds of winning a hand of black jack at a casino than mucking around with these women...remember its only a body, don't think with your god given tool here, be rational, realisitic and analyse this for what it really is...a impossible dream that leads to a nightmare of disappointment in over 95% of cases.
100 men right to a girl named Irina from Krvyhi Ryi, Ukraine, 60 will be aged 40 plus, 30 will be keyboard romeos and 10 will be clowns, 4 at most will go to a personal visit and those four will be old farts well over 40 and she will like none of them!
Aussieman you have never been to Ukraine and have no idea about fsu women except how not to get one. Why not spae us from further drivel and spend some time with you phantom local girl or is she tired of dinig out at McDoanalds by now.
FURB..i don't eat at mcdonalds..don't really like it, my girl makes lean homemade burgers out of premium low fat beef mince in a fresh bun with lots of salad...taste a hell of a lot better and much healthier...the way I say about Ukraine, its true, most girls will never leave to become a western mans house wife and take up a melancholy life in the west...life is good in Ukraine for them, they have far better social networks, friends and family relationships that most westerners don't have...its like bringing them out of Ukraine into an Alien isolation cell in the west, no wonder most are very releuctant and hesistant to leave..we should be envious of the friendship and social networks they have because we don't have them ( an average western man my have up to 17 friends in high school but by the time he is 40, there are only 2 )..money and material objects can't replace that..you can't buy them with money..they are a person and too many men in these forums and agencies think, you can go to Ukraine and pick a girl for marriage like you can go and pick and pay for an item of clothing out of the shop and agency profiles are like one big shopping window for "shopping for girls"..thats all it is..the reality is you can't buy love and you can't make a person love you,,we are curio objects to them, items of mere curiosity, some may want to sample the western cock out of curiosity but our tools are no better or worse than Ukrainian men....I don't talk dribble..its a fact just as its a scientific fact that in 4 to 5 billion years our Sun will swell up into a super giant and swallow and burn up the Earth long after all the naive D.Hs here have turned to dust!
"......percentage of men who actual follow through on a personal visit ( whether that works or fails ) to Ukraine/FSU, something less than 5% of those on the internet, ,leaving 95% as bad, questionable,not serious or just players/pro daters etc.?"
Well, well aussieman....we know you are not in that 5% or ever would have been......but what is funny, which of that other 95% would have described you: bad? questionable? not serious? player?
pro dater?..... I think keyboard romeo!!!!! Out of curiosity, where do your numbers come from?
Just leave internet link and if we are interested, we will go read it.
Aussieman, don't compare the rest of us with your dismal life. I have many friends and see them and socialize with them. I also socialize with guys from here that have wives from the FSU. That's why your theory is crap. You also complain that you can't do it on 60k a year and find a woman. That's also crap.
First you must go there to even make a comparison. Are all Aussies like Mike00, Danny and Noognuts ? Not the ones I met. So by that assumption, the aussies that come on here are a critical sample of real Australians, I highly doubt it.
Are you on some crusade?? I don't get it at all. Since you have this woman now I'd figure your trawling on here would be over. You must be an exciting pair, like a weekend on beer and qualudes
yep, aussieman, it was almost a year before i decided to visit olya in kyiv, after phoning her every day or so. i knew we had something before i went there. life is pretty good there. no one should think other wise... but hell... things are great between me and her now.. :-) /pete
Aussie
Easy on the “old farts well over 40 and she will like none of them” bit will Ya !!!!!!
Perhaps you should be saying that those “old farts” shouldn’t be pitching so Low. That’s what cause 99% of these reoccurring problems that we continually read on here.
Christ – I have just read the rest you posted on here – what can I say, except what an old PM of ours once said
“when a Kiwi leaves NZ for Aussie – it raises the IQ level on both sides of the Tasman”
Can't be bothered making a verbose comment, each to his own opinion and taking risks...your going to have to be one hell of a good catch to make a Ukrainian woman leave her country for a strange land...the size of your wallet can't buy there love or you can't make the girl love you...an old poster Lyudmilla said in a post here last year...most important thing for a Ukrainian woman is the size of the guys cock...maybe that will work for some..have good sized cock..will go places and get what you want, maybe the guys here like Nasfan who have got the girl won her over with an exceptional sized cock!
Evilbaga, I had hundreds of similar experiences in Russia, with girls doing total 180's for no logical reason. After three trips, I gave up and went to the Philippines and got everything I wanted there. The girls treat you much better and if you are a nice guy with a big guy, it is very appreciated and reciprocated. Many guys in the Philippines went to Russia first and were disappointed and finally happy in the Philippines.
There are many white skinned Spanish looking classy girls there too, they aren't all dark.
So if you continue to have bad luck in the FSU, consider the Philippines.
Anything else you want to know, just come back to my Happier Abroad forum again.
I read the entire story and I feel sorry for you buddy. I've been there, but not in a foreign country. I've had many women play that card on me right here in the USA and I think it is part of the learning process.
The part that made me thing that you were surely being "worked" was when you said her friend came in with some guy from Florida...
Hello red lights?
Do you think her friend just happened to meet a guy from Florida that day? Or do you think that probably her friend does the same thing as your girl, and your girl called the friend and said "Uh, this guy is creepy and won't leave my shop, come rescue me and take him to the gardens before my boss comes..."
Birds of a feather...
Sorry dude, you got worked. I'd say practice at home for a while before trying another culture, then before trying another culture, try a language that is at least similar to yours.
France and Latin America might be great choices. Latinas love the gringo, and they are not that much different than us. The language is relatively easy to pick up for a Westerner, and the tickets from Canada are much cheaper.