Im sick and tierd of all you guys givin advice.I have been looking for the right girl in ukraine for 6 years.Unless you live in ukraine or travel all the time with work you have no idea.If your russian 40 years old with money or western man with money forget.I travel ukraine all the time,Infact every 6 weeks.I meet girls from the age 20 -30 and it always ends up in sex.Forget kiev so many girls use and live in kiev as holiday scamers and dateing scams.These girls want money.Even outside kiev they want the best.The name sponsor they look for a man that pays 4 rent and other things that she wants in Ukraine and Russia.Dont get me wrong i have vacations all the time with hot ukraine and russian girls the best vacations.Good company hot sex interesting places.I would like to say i use russian free sites to meet girls.Every day i talk on line with a woman and ask for her contact number and its all free.If you want a hot sexy woman for vacations a russian or ukraine,These girls will always have a lover or boyfriend in there own country,Even if you have the works you will always have to share until she desides you are the best
Bingo! That's it... If you are not looking to marry a girl from there you're ok! You become easy prey when you say you are looking for a wife. I agree, if it's ok with you to go out with girls that have other relationships you will have it made. I went out with girls that were waiting for fiance visas!!!
So what is the premise? It takes a little money to hunt at the top end and if you don't have a little cash you are left at street level? Hello.........it's the same anywhere in the world and perhaps more so in the west. I am more than comfortable that it cost me a small fortune to court and marry my now wife. Cheap dates were never high on my priority list anyway. This sounds like sour grapes from those who can't reach the real quality. ~Shrug~
That't the difference between you guys and the successful ones. All you have do to is read your posts. TinTin you've been posting the same old crap for a long time. You both have been used and now it's impossible to find a girl theres. I bet you've been out with girls waiting on fiance visa's. yeah right.
'it cost me a small fortune to court and marry my now wife'.Cant understand unless you are from outside Europe how its costing a fortune, Ive saved alot marrying outside Eu and every trip costs me very little I actually end up spending less when there than at home. Wedding was one fifth the price of at home and I def dont believe in wasting money on gifts because then such things are expected all the time.
I never said it was impossible to find a girl there! I just lost interest in the trashy, hungry type looking for a free meal. I don't have the time or the resources to go live there and find the girl I want, that's it. No sour grapes, I still very much love Ukrainian girls, they are my favorites!!!
"I never said it was impossible to find a girl there! I just lost interest in the trashy, hungry type looking for a free meal. "
Remember Gibe, you were the one picking the 'trashy, hungry, types' that you ended up with. Many reasons for that, take some responsibilities here. The younger, hotter types are more likely to be like this....... so makes me wonder what types you were choosing, probably way out of your league.
Quote: "Cant understand unless you are from outside Europe how its costing a fortune, Ive saved alot marrying outside Eu and every trip costs me very little I actually end up spending less when there than at home. Wedding was one fifth the price of at home and I def dont believe in wasting money on gifts because then such things are expected all the time."
Colin: I live outside Europe. I never went into this as a plan, but rather it was something which happened as a result of extensive travel. That/those accidental meetings naturally led to more travel and from my turf at around $6-7K USD each trip (3K for tickets plus other requirements), several trips back and forth for both of us, if one counted the finals it would be ridiculous.
Relocation expenses, visas, our wedding here in my home town which was no down market affiar with a number of Russian guests, her getting settled into study and then work.........blah blah, if I was to add it all up and attribute those expenses relating directly to us as a couple, who knows, but probably $40K - $70K USD.
I fail to relate to guys coming onto forums asking how much a ticket here or there will cost because at the end of the day, if one needs to ask the price, one obviously can't afford the deal. Would I recommend this exercise to anyone? Economically, no. Would I do it again if I had my time over again, knowing what I know now? In a heartbeat...!!!
Beemer, you are right it was my fault! I picked the ones from agencies, socials etc. like most guys do. As I said before to find a nice girl it has to be in a normal setting not the scam set-up! Also you must speak Russian to be able to understand the culture. You should have a reason for being there other than getting laid. Yes money is an issue if you have to ask about how much it is going to cost, it's a lot! Is this the idea? No, because there is always someone who is going to be richer than you who can steal your girl.
Quote: "No, because there is always someone who is going to be richer than you who can steal your girl."
If the "Girl" was stolen by "Riches" then she wasn't much chop in the first instance. It takes money to do this international thing, but if flashing cash to her is a guy's only security then he is dead in the water with women period.
nasfan6 what is a fiance visa are you crazy.I live a good life im in ukraine meeting a 22 year old then we plan vacation for new year.If all you guys looked for a girlfriend instead of writeing to stupid American dateing sites looking for a wife in ukraine and russia you would all have a better chance of finding a nice girl and a really interesting life.You would also see that these girls lie lie lie ask any russian or ukraine man he will tell you this.Ask any ukraine or russain woman she will say the same.Thay both lie.But the russian man always gets the ride.Because the woman needs and hopes,
I didnt read all this I am jut replying to the first top.
Go for a girl that is already sucessful at least a litte while, a girl established and hell will have no problem taking you out for dinner. If you find an honest one like that, one that will invest herself in you first its a best bet you found a winner, find out if she has an education, and works somewhere other than a laundry mat, you wont find these girls on agency sights, dig deeper.
Hey TINTIN I don't know what the hell you are babbling about but I'm married to a Ukrainian woman, didn't use an agency, found the excellent woman. Now that's a great story, ask the Russian men and Ukrainian men that these women lie,lie,lie. What response did you expect. Maybe TinTin you are looking in the wrong places.
I've had an interesting life, I've traveled to 40 different countries, but your story is the same old lame one. Now you are going to vacation with a 22 year old, that sounds like the foundation for a long term relationship. Don't lecture me about finding a good woman. I'm way ahead of you in that department.
All you need to do is look at your early posts, same stuff regurgitated over and over. Tell us about your fantastic life and how you went about finding this 22 year old? Sounds like you spent time writing to stupid American dating sites. I sure as hell didn't.
Long term you crazy 18 months max i think.sorry nasfan6 if your happy and in love i wish you the best.Are you American or British.Its just i started out maybe 6 years ago after a split with my british wife.I have many english and american friends that have married fsu girls and only 2 have lasted.But i guess you could say the same about guys i know that have married uk girls.As for my life after so long with fsu girls i find it strange when i take out a english woman.I live in london and dubai.If you could see what the thousands of russain girls that fly to dubai every month do over in dubai every month so they can wear the best fur coats when they get back home after a months work you would be shocked.Also kiev its maybe a sight of kiev you havent seen.River palace in kiev.Im sure if you look outside kiev you guys will find a good woman But its like thiland,Not that ive been....OK.I wish you the best.I love the life i leed.Maybe i should keep my mouth shut and let you guys find out.Nasfan i use mail.ru.Nasfan how long you married?If your with your woman why do you bother with this site?Look at this site and try.SO EASY I SCORE EVERY TIME.
tintin: i do agree that guys should just want to meet a girl maybe for a girlfriend. wanting to meet someone to be your wife just sounds a bit mad! if things are really good, then maybe she will end up being your wife, like me and olya, well sometime soon... lol. but i was *not* looking for wife at the time! it just ended up that way! /pete
tin tin WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP AT TOP THIS THREAD RUSSIAN WITH MONEY yes of course and he spends it on russian woman? --yes of course? and a pink pig just flew past my window too ,listen mate i lived there not 20 days a time i was 37 months and 20 of those months were in 1 go..
Russian men poverty stricken bums and theyd be passing the hat around to pay for a night on the piss ! they certainly dont spend 2 cents a bird .
what russia or ukraine do you visit ?? its not the ones i go too !!
I was married there - funny that my mrs never had a bloke in the cupboard unless he crawled out from under a postage stamp on a few letters i got from Aussie living there .
what an absolute load of love rot you talk .
i was married and living with mine january 1999 until she passed away december 2001 - she never ever looked at another bloke
I had worries since with crooked ones but i knew they were crooked 1/2 way into relations so i opted for the policy of hey -75% il rip you off -= i may as well be with the devil i know as opposed to trading it in heading back to the street to find a new model - only to find its worse that the one you have !.
listen mate i had 4 solid relationships 1999 until april 2008 -( and about 16 on the side too --hey ''its made round to go round'' lol lol )
wife was great
second one was ok so so the third and forth were shit --but no i cant honestly say they all held me to the ground screaming for money i gave it by choosing to give it --!
No certainly you are dead wrong on the fact they all have a bloke russian my last 1 did but other 3 definately not --------Russian woman single age 23/ 43 with a russian man as lover ??? is the laughing stock of the city - most are not that stupid and my wife hated russian men with a passion
They are high grade shit just dripping in deciet 24/7 - who the f--k be that dumb to be with one .
Tin tin you take the cake - you get the cookie for the greatest load of tripe ive ever seen put to a forum - you should get the purlitzer prize for it.
you took a wrong turn at the south pole brother your not in our russia or ukraine my god , in all my time i must have had about 300 drinks bludged off me by russian men not a single one of the basterds could ever find the 70 rubles to buy me one back !
and your trying to tell me a woman id want one ?? the idiot russian man aint got bus fare to get home -whats he gunnu take her out with --food vouchers ??? get real mate !
ohh give me a break mate
we ''talking cave men race hear'' -grunt beat women - you really got to be on drugs mate
you lost the plot -------the only people that can rescue russian women from poverty is guys from around 6 countries in the world.
THATS YU LOT ! russia aint included i give you the tip - you would have to muster together like a full battalion 600 soldiers in russia get em all to pass the hat around to raise the price of 3 slabs of beer = in Australia 3 slabs premium id cost you around $129 Aud .
sorry mate the fairies have come through your window.
Guys this forum has totally lost the plot
I think il retire for all time !
ANY OF YOU CHAPS KNOW THIS TIN TIN ??? --GOD SAKE SEND HIM ENOUGH TO GO TO THE SHRINK WILL YOU - OK IL CHIP IN THE FIRST $50 TIN TIN'S MEDICAL PACKAGE --WHOS NEXT----------- CALLING ALL PUNTERS !!!
Russian men(poverty stricken bums and theyd be passing the hat around to pay for a night on the piss ! they certainly dont spend 2 cents a bird .Rubbish agood russian man will pay for all.O nly after a few months he forgets.You know that the average russian man even if he is married will have 8 girl friends.This was told too me by a ukraine woman.Im in kiev every 6 weeks my friend.But i travel ukraine all the time.Please dont tell grandmar too suck eggs.I have the great russian friends sounds like they thought you were a sucker so you paid for all the drinks.You were the sucker.Things have changed in ukraine in yhe last 7 years money money thats all most people think about.Well from the age of 17-35.Sorry
There are not 1000's of russian women go dubai its a nightmare them to get into, the muslim customs i took my russian mrs there it was a nightmare - the amount of russian birds i spotted in dubai i could put em all in a Morris Woody van ( have a meeting in a phone box )
dubai full of kenyan , ugandan stinky prostitutes and the customs you cant kiss , pat her on the arss , cant drink in the street
and did you just hear yesterdays news 2 poms locked up in Dubai 3 months having sex on the beach .
1000's russians in dubai ay - where !! you may see a couple but no way thousands - it dont happen !
kiev ohh god = dump prostitute heaven ( hey they aint worth paying for ) why would you want pay money for a russian 10 ruble hooker ! when her mates are all free !) 10 rubles they aint worth .
Thailand i was 4 times - women so so ! ok but money orientated its another race thinks the world owe's em a living --all said and done - you will get lot more loyalty out of a thai than you will a russian.
The good thing about thai girls is they realise that ''pretty '' these days means didly squat - they can have prettiest arss in the world - at best they still only going to get 1000 baht a night = $26 Aud !
thais far more friendly - unlike the Russians they know that pretty aint worth much!
Any russian hooker thinks she's worth more than a thai or the night - needs a reality check - sex wise the thai's il leave the russians posted .
If the thais could ;lose the vision of $$ for the family i think thailand would start to sink under the weight of men.
Pound for pound in all ways ( if you can extract a thai girl from family ) she beats the russian offer - hands down - much friendlier - she wont stray as a rule - but its up to you to keep her in that pastel of security .
Tin tin --where did you see all the 1000's of Russian tarts seemingly roaming the streets in Dubai - its not happening mate -somebodies spiked your drink , ive got a mate with his kenyan girl lives in dubai i stay at there house 1/2 times a year on my way through .
I cant say ive ever seen any numbers as you quote - ive seen the odd one but to find em there its like similar - to sitting on a british motorway for 10 hours trying to count the amount of 1930 rolls royces that drive past you -------------how many do you see ?
Dubai govvy they wont wear that sort of shit tarts roaming the streets it dont wash mate its muslim you cant fart in the street without risking a fine --
Thats one thing i like about dubai --YOU DONT GET ALL THAT SHIT ! they tollerate the kenyans , ugandans , few thai tarts on the roam ! but thats about your lot huh.
Get downwind of a kenyan tart - its mackeral on the move ''dont they stink'' i do confess i know a couple kenyan tarts there - sell the fanny -but by god they dont get much for it - maybe $100 a night.
I mean you have got to ''want to smell bad huh ''--lol lol i got approached thai tart in a nightclub in dubai --man for night darlink me want it $200 -i said listen darling your worth 1000 bart a night = $26 - just because your in the ''sandpit hear '' i aint gunnu give you a $174 rise darling .
In the end i went home with it for free -- idiots paying for it --in a world where crumpet is free - yu'd have to be mad .
hey we doing em a favour - Russian tarts wanting $$ for sex not to me thats for sure id give em 3/4 of 5/8ths of fuck all -----think herself lucky she' has nice aussie guy listen to her whinge and buy her 3 drinks -thank her lucky stars .
i tell em straight - dear you want be with me good you can pay ! lol lol no sorry the cards are stacked all our way in respect to ''fanny sellers ''
Id pay em zero ! ok id slip em $30 for a feed but not for sex your joking ! thais and russians giving it for free outnumbers the sellers by 1000 to 1 - its a dead industry .