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	Create New Topic   My Posts   My forum buddies   Invite friends   Private messages Russian brides > Main Forum > Check out what this Hotel says about picking up Odessa girls. Author Post Bookem-DanO Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/17/2008 6:13:42 PM   I got this from the website of a hotel, funny enough, as I am planning a trip to Odessa. Love to get your thoughts on this, gents. Here's the link: http://hotelodessa-ukraine.com/odessa-ladies.htm I copied it anyway. Here it is: Pickup of ladies in Odessa Odessa ladies are possibly the most beautiful in the world – and inexpensive to date. You can approach ladies anywhere in Odessa: in the streets, shops, cafes, or nightclubs. There are several online dating services with tens of thousands of members from Odessa. There is little visual difference between the ladies who ply their trade at Odessa's discos and the ladies who came there for fun. Both types expect you to buy a cocktail or two for them, and it's a waste of money to buy them more than a couple of drinks. Odessa's discos are very liberal: you can talk to girls, offer them drinks, and touch them. As a practical matter, love professionals concentrate at bars rather than dancing. If unsure whether a particular lady is a prostitute, go ahead and offer her money; even in the worst case, she's not going to break a bottle of beer on your head. Odessa's police are unconcerned with sexual harassment, and in fact such concept is unknown in Odessa. Beware of the female professionals in Odessa who exhibit readiness to go with you but ask you to wait a few hours while they dance. Invariably, they will keep you paying for their drinks and then leave without you. A lot of such small-time scams go on at Odessa's discos. Odessa's high-end prostitutes charge $100-200 for two hours. You can get a girl from $50 for 1.5 hours by calling numerous ads in Odessa's free newspapers. Never go to the girl's apartment. There is no problem inviting girls to your hotel room. There are many sauna establishments in Odessa; all of them can call the girls for you. Though prostitution is illegal in Odessa, it remains widely tolerated. You can also start a romantic affair in Odessa. The girls rarely demand exclusivity on your part, nor do they offer you an exclusive relationship. Of course, both you and the girl profess to be in love with one another and to look at no one else. Dating is inherently more expensive in Odessa than prostitution, and also more time-consuming. Expect to date the girl for two to three days before having sex with her. You don't have to spend much time with the girl on each occasion: an hour at the disco, a gift and restaurant tomorrow, and a bar the next day should suffice. If that proves not enough, tell her you're looking for Ukrainian wife; that should do. Learn a few words in Odessa's slang; girls love it. Don't try to seduce a girl in Odessa with alcohol. Drinking is common in Ukraine, and the girl is likely a better drinker than you are. She can wind up hauling your body home, a sight sometimes encountered in Odessa at night. There are no practical age restrictions at Odessa's discos, and expect 14-year-olds dancing and drinking at night. Underage sex is theoretically criminalized but widespread. Beware, however, of the rare instances where underage girls lure you into the bedroom and then their parents or boyfriends blackmail you. In such cases, it's safer to pay to police. Note that such scam artists often work together with low-rank police officers who can threaten to arrest you. Tell them to arrest you and bring to police precinct. You can always pay the police there, but in most cases scam artists won't go that far. The hotel's liaison, available through the hotel's desk for a fee, will extricate you from difficult situations. Sexually transmitted diseases are widespread in Odessa and HIV level is alarmingly high. No reasonable girl in Odessa will engage in unprotected casual sex. VNVnation Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/18/2008 8:57:54 PM   "Odessa ladies are possibly the most beautiful in the world – and inexpensive to date. " Well, this is complete crap. Odessa ladies are beautiful, but they sure as hell aren't inexpensive to date! These girls know exactly where and how to spend your money. You ask a girl where she wants to have dinner, she'll answer either Yokohama, Fanconi, or Voyage. All restaurants that can easily set you back over $100 for dinner for two. "There is little visual difference between the ladies who ply their trade at Odessa's discos and the ladies who came there for fun." Working girls and non-working girls may look more or less the same, but the difference is that the pretty non-working girls probably won't give you the time of day. "The girls rarely demand exclusivity on your part, nor do they offer you an exclusive relationship. " In my experience, neither part of this sentence is true. Unless a girl is a gold-digger, pro-dater, or working, she'll want an exclusive relationship. "The hotel's liaison, available through the hotel's desk for a fee, will extricate you from difficult situations. " So let's see, if you find yourself in a "scam" with an underage girl, you can either pay the police or the guy at the hotel's front desk. LOL, that's rich. Dunromin Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/19/2008 3:01:16 AM   http://hotelodessa-ukraine.com/odessa-ladies.htm Is NOT Hotel Odessa. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/19/2008 11:23:20 PM   Much of what is said is spot on. But much is from an earlier era too. "Odessa ladies are possibly the most beautiful in the world – and inexpensive to date." THIS comes from an early era. Right after the fall of the Soviet Union and perhaps after Russia's monetary crisis of 1998 (I realize Odessa is in Ukraine, not Russia, but the crisis affected the ecomonies of the former former Soviet states as well) women were more desperate and restaurants, hotels and WOMEN THEMSELVES were considerable less expensive. VNVnation says "Working girls and non-working girls may look more or less the same, but the difference is that the pretty non-working girls probably won't give you the time of day." That is true today. But only because many have rich boyfriends (most likely richer than YOU are) and they are certainly NOT desperate to have plump or average, middle-age or elderly foreign men hit on them. In 2003 during my FIRST trip to Ukraine, I visited Odessa - I was 46. Only ONE girl I met refused my advances stating simply that I was too old for her (I was only trying to talk to her - and I think that she was 19 years old). Every other girl I spoke to, gorgeous and not, the youngest of which was 17 (though I didn't realize that when I first spoke to her) was QUITE interested in me and would have gladly gone out. When I was in Donestk in 2007 - the women were a LITTLE more particular (selective?) and I did enounter a few who were not particularly interested for one reason of another. But these women are not simply pretty - they were drop-dead gorgeous and out-of-the-league of MOST mortal men in ANY country. "You can also start a romantic affair in Odessa. The girls rarely demand exclusivity on your part, nor do they offer you an exclusive relationship. Of course, both you and the girl profess to be in love with one another and to look at no one else. " Catch the SECOND sentence. You both CLAIM to look at nobody else - and truly the girls rarely will be caught looking at anyone else IN YOUR PRESENCE. But if you are a foreigner - she knows that you will soon be gone. ANd she can profess to lvoing you and only you to you on the phone while certain unscrupulous women will be doing anything BUT that. She will demand exlusivity and claim to offer the same in return - but that may well be a hollow promise, offerend with a wink of the eye. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/22/2008 12:18:30 PM   Bookem: What hotel was that? Can you give us a link to the website? jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/22/2008 12:19:02 PM   Never mind.... I see you DID. gecko Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/24/2008 11:51:45 PM   '...they were drop-dead gorgeous and out-of-the-league of MOST mortal men in ANY country. ' jetmba, your such a humble guy! so for the record, only supermodels and young teenagers won't go out with you. ...and yet you feel the need to go to thirld world countries to get dates. hmmmmm dude, tone it down a little. we're all in the same boat here. bravado's really not needed. it just comes off as pathetic. the truth is, most women in ukraine don't want anything to do with foreigners. anybody who has been there knows that. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/25/2008 4:08:10 AM   "so for the record, only supermodels and young teenagers won't go out with you. ...and yet you feel the need to go to thirld world countries to get dates. hmmmmm " Put it in context gecko. I was talking about Ukraine and I was talking about when I attended a ROMANCE SOCIAL. Its an event where Ukranian women who WANT to meet a foreign guy, gather for just that purpose. And yes only a very few of the creme-de-la-creme were not interested in me. I never said that I had any kind of a similar success rate ammong supermodels or similar girls in my own country. I certainly don't. "the truth is, most women in ukraine don't want anything to do with foreigners. anybody who has been there knows that. " Well I've only been to Ukraine 5 times. (Moldova four times. And Latvia once.) And I beg to differ with your assessment. Perhaps if the Ukranian women had no interest in YOU - then the factor was YOU. Did you ever consider that? Dunromin Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/25/2008 9:57:52 AM   Jetmba: Sorry buddy, you are wrong on this tack. Most Eastern girls are NOT interested in foreign suitors. A few, maybe a hand full of the eligble female population are seriously prepared to consider a foreign suitor. All the BS about things changing over the past 20 years is PARTLY right and largely wrong. There has been RW marriages outside Russia (Using Russia generically) ever since the second world war and quite a few before then. What changed 20 years ago was western access. A handful of women have always been prepared to jump the hurdle and the very vast majority are not. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/25/2008 11:32:58 AM   Dunromin: I'm right and I speak from personal experience. I'm NOT an incredible looking guy. I'm not rich. I'm not young (51). I'm not even in the best physical shape of my adult life. But I've done GREAT with Ukranian women - and I am still connected to a Moldovan. There's an old idea that comes from fishing. Maybe if you aren't catching anything - you should use a different bait. Maybe you should try a different method. Or maybe you should go to a different PLACE? For all the knocking Romance Socials get around here - the people calling it a meat market, etc., its funny that they are SO bad - and yet THEY WORK SO WELL. If we were all fisherman - I'd be the guy sitting on the pristine lake, reeling in sizable fish after fish - and YOU guys would be the ones sitting here the house - casting your fishing lines into the RAIN BARREL and talking about how there just AREN'T any fish to be had! And when I told you you should try actually fishing in the LAKE - You'd tell me that lakes are all fished out, or that lakes are only for boats, or that lakes are too risky as boats can tip over, etc. SO I'll just sit here - doing what I do - courting beauitufl FSU women that I meet by means of the notorious "Romance Social" and you guys can just sit there complaining about how lakes are hoaxes and they don't really exist! I hope it makes you feel better. Bookem-DanO Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/25/2008 3:51:56 PM   Hey Jetmba, Seems you've been doing well at these "Socials". I've heard good and bad reviews about them, so I have mixed emotions attending one. I could only project feeling awkward(sp?), because that is not how I meet girls here ... 100 women to 15 men in one room. I would feel bad about the ones that didn't get a chance to talk to me after waiting so long. But I remain very curious about these socials. Can you request specific types of women to attend? As in: English speaking, height, educated, whatever? Which socials do you attend? What's your angle or approach? I'll be in Odessa in Feb. with a friend. He's taking me to visit friends and his wife has family there as well. I've always been curious about these socials, but I'm only staying there for 9 days. It would be nice to mix in one these socials while I'm there. On a side note: Why not kill to birds with one stone, right? I am flying an English speaking girl from Simferopol (sp?) that I've developed a friendship with to visit while I'm in Odessa. She staying for 3 days. There is a possible 2nd English speaking girl, but the jury is still out on this one. Anyway, your input on Romance Socials will be appreciated. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/25/2008 5:43:09 PM   BookemDano: There are generally around four sets (of three) Romance Socials in Odessa per year - so I don't know if you've checked the schedule to see if one will be held while you are IN Odessa (I've not checked either). They are put on by AFA which is "A Foreign Affair" (www.loveme.com) and Anastasia We Tours (gonna have to google for the website for that one). I've never actually attended a Romance Social by Anastasia Web Tours. My experience was with A Foreign Affair and European Connections - which is no longer in business. I can tell you though that for my money (and time etc.) - A Foreign Affair puts on a good program. NOT EVERYBODY WILL BE SUCCESSFUL. There are no guarantees. But like I said - I am far from a perfect physical specimin and far from rich and I do quite nicely. Dunromin Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/25/2008 7:40:49 PM   Jetmba: When you have spent the time (all over the FSU including the countries you mention) I have during the last decade, been married to a RW as long as I have, have as many FSU people, including women visit you in your home as we do, have the wide circle of friends on the ground there as we do, travel there as often as we do..........................well you add your own words here on in. BTW, when I first walked into Russia quite a few years back, I had a date with the then accountant (Whom I'd never met or seen or had any knowledge of prior) of one of the major Russian airlines within, IIRC, about 12 minutes arranged for later that day. It turned out to be an extremely pleasant afternoon. The irony is, she is now my sister in law, visits here regularly with her husband and is still no more interested in foreign men than she was back then. Point is, a date doesn't indicate serious interest. At the time, she, like many (Myself included) was always up for a date for the fun of knowing someone new and the social interaction. Stick with the socials if you will, I have nothing against them. My wife (And her friends) on the other hand simply smiles and says, if you want someone who is paid to spend time in your company, why wouldn't you go direct to the back streets and cut out the agent? You are right...!!! Good luck with that thought. Russia and Ukraine have a shared population of approximately 190 million of which probably 20 million roughly fit the demographic the foreign boys are chasing at any given time. Of that 20 million, if you found 10 000 (0.5%?) women seriously interested in meeting a foreign suitor, I would be more than surprised. That equates to a handful. You may well find a zillion on dating sites etc, but weed out the ones who are serious about finding a foreigner.........slim pickin's buddy. The agency talk about squillions chasing foreign boys is BS. Most are not interested. The counter point is, if you are fortunate enough to find a decent RW, you have found something without peer. Adman Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/25/2008 10:40:26 PM   Dunromin: Sorry to break it to you but 0.5% of 20 million is 100,000. Considering most of the others are already married this is not a small number. Reality is the world is a much smaller place and people are ready to move to other countries. Many guys here talk of moving to the FSU even though they would earn less money. I think the numbers of FSU women wanting to move would far more likely be 10% would not move, 10% would gladly move and a whole lot of undecided in between. For the right guy, many will move. Im sure your brother inlaw is happy his wife is not looking for a foreign man :) beemer18 Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/25/2008 10:49:25 PM   Dunromin....are the many friends and relatives you know from russia? My experiences are mostly in ukraine, among people I know and their friends. Mostly it is not quite the same as yours, as you can see from our prior posts. Except for the shared population you mentioned, the rest are just numbers out of the air. Your point is taken, there are slim pickin from girls BUT there has to be some type of sound thinking in this process. I too have had some pleasent times with girls in russia, ukraine and moldova, just not found a girl where we both found what we were looking for. All are serious about finding partner, where ever he may be but at same time are not anxious to leave country with just anyone....only the right one. I think I have stumbled onto secret to this process, develop friendships with locals and in process their friends( girls) do not look at you as foreigner AND girls are normally not on marrige sites. Any thoughts?? jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/26/2008 4:15:03 AM   Dunromin: The only thing you prove is that even some men with a lot of experience in the FSU have absolutely no clue as to what they are talking about. Hey don't feel bad. I know a lot of white people who have lived among black people and have no clue as to what motivates them. I know non-jews (gentiles) who live among jews and can't figure them out either. The fact that you can live so closely associated with people in the FSU and have absolutely no idea what motivates them isn't all that surprising, when you put it in the proper context. I don't deal through agencies. The closet I get is allowing them to set up a Romance Social - which I might then attend. I've never paid a girl to spend time in my company whether on a back street or on main street - but it sounds like you have (maybe still do?). That might be part of your problem. Thanks for the advice. As misinformed and useless as it is. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/26/2008 4:29:14 AM   It is good to make a distiction between girls from Russia (especially areas like Moscow and St. Petersburg) and OTHER FSU countries. While they may have all been similar in the past they are not today. A lot of girls in Russia itself may very well have no interest in moving. They view themselves as RUSSIAN first and foremost. They are doing very well economically and they have a lot of pride in their own culture. One only has to listen to the native current popular music to know how different the culture is. Whereas so many other cultures want to blend into the word - they adapt generic western values and customs - Russian people have much less interest in that. Even China seems to fall all over itself -trying to be more western trying to fit in to western culture. But Russia in general doesn't care to be. That's why you are seeing new border lines of influence slowing taking place as they did during the cold war. These aren't differences between economic systems (capitalism vs communism) but differences between cultures (Russian and everybody else). THESE Russian girls, those heavily influenced by these cultural differences, may truly have no interest in leaving and going to the west. But there are an awful lot in EVERY FSU country who ARE interest. And since all I need ultimately is ONE. That will be sufficient. Dunromin Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/26/2008 4:33:52 AM   Jetmba: I often smile when babes try to tell grandmothers how to suck eggs, but for whatever reason, they continue to do so. If you have attended a social, you have kept the company of someone paid to do so. Goodness you are humorous, quoting AFA and A-Web as reliable agents, which they are on your behalf if you visit their socials. They pay girls (Get a clue, in some cases, hookers) to attend socials. Get used that as fact number one. Personally, I have nothing against socials, I have nothing against prostitution either for that matter, it is simply, I have always set my standards way above that and the results speak for themselves. A result, you and some others are yet to come close to achieving, but do carry on. When you have the tiniest bit of real experience living with an FSU woman, then you might like to advise those of us who have done so for a while as to how we should feed them. In the interim, do some homework instead of explaining how much you don't know. Adman: Your right, 0.0005 was the figure I was looking for, my bad. Beemer is right, my figures are from the air, that is the air I have been moving in for a number of years, that is, FSU air. Jetmba talks of experience. Until you have been married into the Russian (FSU if you like) thing for a while and mixed intimately with families and or friends you can but scratch the surface. None of that is worth much anyway because it all comes down to opinion based on observation. The difference I see, is basing that opinion on a wider scope of first hand observation. The FSU is a very big place and it takes a few years and trips to develop any sort of broad brush handle on it. If your 10% will, 10% won’t and 80% might was accurate, there would be no scope for the scammers whom profit handsomely from this industry because all the “Boys” would be meeting the “real deal”. Sure, I met a few very motivated to spend time with me and very motivated to leave and guess what, after a little observation it was pretty obvious the motivation wasn’t the foreign man, but rather it was leaving for lifestyle upgrade. Good luck finding a wife who’ll stick around among that group. They are NOT interested in the foreign man, they are interested in lifestyle upgrade regardless of where it presents itself. A touch better than hookers but not much IMO. BTW, if it were 100 000 (Which I have yet to see any credible evidence it is anyways near close to that number), in an area 4 or more times the size of USA (Which is much more densely populated, 300 million people), the odds of finding someone look decidedly worse. Yes, I hear the boys talk of moving to the FSU and for what? They will downgrade their lifestyle/income for what? To "get" a wife? Desperation is one word I can think of................sure wifey would love for us to live there, but I have no intention, never did have and probably never will. She knew the drill from the outset. I don't know it all and have never thought I did, but I have learned enough to realize most guys spruking on this subject have almost no clue whatsoever. It was never difficult for me to find a date in the FSU. That is one thing, but for guys on a wife hunt, finding someone who is actually motivated to leave for a foreign man and not other reasons, or is motivated to honorably leave at all is a very 'nother story. Beemer, your question/comment. I don't know how to search because I never really did. Never needed to so to say. I went into this whole thing completely sideways. I went to Moldova/Ukraine/Latvia/Russia first for a very different purpose. Met a honey in about the first 5 minutes, invited her out and from there, gradually met a whole range of people over a number of years. It was ironic that very much later I really came to know the sister of my first "date" if you could call it that. What was it? A gradual development of an offshore social circle of friends which led to the blissful and complex situation in which I now find myself. Therefore, based on that, yes, I’d agree, develop a social circle of friends and work from there. I doubt many will because they all seem to try to “Target Shoot” out a wife in the first trip for, what appears to me, at least in many cases, to be economic reasons. Put plainly, they can afford one or two trips and that’s about it. My question is, what is an introduction site if it is not simply that? A way to be introduced and start a circle of friends. No? One has no relationship with anything or anyone until meeting face to face, so why do people make the sites, letters, phone calls etc such a big deal. That stage is the stage to find out the fundamental basics of each other’s morals, thinking, life goals etc, but that is the academic side of it. The relationship can only get off the ground once you “click” together. That is not mouse “Clicking”. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/26/2008 7:27:17 AM   Dunromin: You're an idiot. The women are NOT paid to attend Romance Socials. They simply ARE NOT. They sign up to attend them and most look forward to the experience. If by PAY you mean they get free horderves and a glass of champaign (maybe). Then you may have some merit in your argument. But if that is the case I hate to tell you how many coktail parties I have been PAID to attend in the same form. They attend legitimately - in the hope of meeting a foreign guy. Now it could be argued that a few of them (VERY few) might have the intention of meeting a guy for a late-nite PAID rendesvous and a few might only want an eventual shopping trip, but that is certainly NOT THE SAME AS GETTING PAID TO ATTEND. I speak on excellent authority on this having actually met these girls, become engaged to one and having attended TWO sets of Romance Socials. And what is your authority; It seems that you rely on simply talking out of your ASS. jetmba. Member send PM   block PM add to buddies Send: 9/26/2008 7:31:55 AM   Dunromin reminds me of a comedic line. And another comedic line I once heard goes as follows: 42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot. Your Reply: Your name:   New Registration Password:   Forgot password?   refresh Code:   Russian brides > Main Forum > Check out what this Hotel says about picking up Odessa girls.
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