"there are a lot of teachers in ukraine who have a child and who don't go to egypt.
They would probably be really happy to meet a nice guy like yourself."
But gecko, you said yourself that Ukranian women have no interest in foreign guys. And that anyone who has been there knows that.
I thought it was CHAMELEONS that change color to suit their current surroundings - not geckos.
Don't you have insurance to sell? (And a tiny car to drive?)
Gecko - Its not that she does not talk to me, its just not the same, I think she got herself into something that she didn't expect, maybe she thought it was just dancing and its turned out to be more. In the last letter she said told me the laptop is not hers, she has to use it for work??? What belly dancers need a laptop for work?? Unless its for cam work but she could do that from Ukraine. She has a good internet conenction but the laptop is nothing great as far as I can tell. The service she is connected to in Egypt offers 24mbs DSL!! Wow, I'd like that for my place!!
I have already told her that if she is not interested just let me know, If sent her a mail like that and I get a email asking me to wait, she wants to meet me, she tells me that she loves getting the messages from me but it is hard for her to reply. She sends me text messages on her phone which cost her 1 UAH each time she sends one. Here is one example:
"Please, Joel, don't be upset with it.. but it's the situation like this as at the moment I am very busy working. I work also online, so you can see me here from time to time. I have some friends I don't have a chance to write them back at all. frankly , I don't like writing letters, as I prefer talking more but at the moment..untill Christmas I won't have such an opportunity. Life is not always like we want it to be... This a period of my life like this..so...
I hope you will have a great day!!!"
Joel....words are words....I can copy and paste some things that girls wrote me that are very sincere but when it came time to meet things changed. You are making excuses for this girl. She didn't want to tell you she was going somewhere and she didn't want to tell you the work she is doing......and you still want meet in december? Amazing what a few words and a nice picture will do!!!
She is a whore and you want to meet her...Ukrainian girls who do this, prostitute themselves, its statistical fact, 1 in 10 Ukraina prostitutes/call girls has the serious STD Syphillis and 5 have less serious STD such as gonorhea and herpes and the incidence of AIDS in the Ukraine has gone from about 3000 in the early 90s ( circa 1991 ) to over 30000 today.
Medical checks are not mandatory..prostitution itself is illegal in Ukraine but the authorities turn a blind and apathetic eye to it and it goes on in the backstreets, unregulated and you don't know what reward you will get by shoving your cock into a whore over there ( I would'nt by the way ) and the probable nasty consequences medically for it.
Many young Ukrainian girls out of financial desperation/poverty ( the good paying jobs always go to the men there and the women get the low paid menial work often underemployed in lower paid work when they have University qualifications ) go to Turkey, Eygpyt, Cyprus, Germany, Romania,UAE and the former Yugoslavia to be "Natasha's" which is what the Russian/Ukrainian prostitute is called, some are forced into the sex slave trade under false pretences lured to these counries by offers of high paying jobs in the tourism/hospitality industry but when they get there, travel documents are conviscated and they are forced by pimps to work as whores and some escape it while some disappear forever and some are found murdered when they try to escape of defy the pimps..its very dangerous and the seedy underbelly of Europe.
Read a book called "The Natasha's" by a Victor Malek or someone, similar name, excerpts of the book can be found on Amazon.com, written in 2006, its the true stories and personal research by the author into the seedy world of the E.E sex slave trade worth an estimated $12 billion a year worldwide, it makes for disturbing reading, many FSU women ( mainly from Ukraine and Moldova ) are exploited, some go into it naive and some know what they are doing and some pros are freelance operators who go on holidays for 1 or 2 months to make money which sounds like your girl, Joel...I would not have a relationship with a girl whom I knew had prostituted herself..you are devalueing yourself if you do...I had to make a comment about this post, its not denigrating FSU women,its stating some true facts of what some of these poor women become involved with out of financial need/desperation and the tragic consequences for some.
Get a life you loser!!! If you quote a book you should damn well have read the whole thing yourself before quoting excerpts. Again you have no knowledge, even of a book you quote.
I have no idea if she is a "whore" or not. It certainly does not sound like she is enjoying herself. You could be right or totally wrong, I think alot of people on here automatically think the worst, from my point of view, I'm going over there to see for myself, i'm pretty sure I will know if she is a "whore" when I meet her.
She has also told me that she finds it to be a very strange place and does not like the culture or the weather, sounds like she has never been there before, but she claims it is very safe, I asked her today if she knew that some girls go there for work and wind up being sex workers, she said she knows of it but where she is that is not going on - so she is lying? Perhaps but I'll take her word on it for now. She is working in Cairo.
Why would she not tell me? Well we had only been talking for a few weeks, she said to me that she has had many guys talk to her for a few weeks and then disappear, so maybe she thought I would too.
I promise all of you that forced prostitution is still going on, not in Turkey though, prostitution is highly illegal there, except under strict circumstances of punishment at a place called "The Compound" we consider them a muslim country but they consider themselfs to be European, and while they are muslim they really dont practice the religion in all seriousness.
But when I was in Dubai there were woman from Russia, China, and Indonesia even Africa where the womans passports were confiscated, you could not go to clubs or bars with out a hundred prostitutes competing for only 15 or 20 men. It sometimes got violent between the asain and russian women, they tried new tactics at discounted 3 sums and god knows what eles to try to get the advantage and go home early. One from Africa cried and begged me for money so she can get back to her fiance when I would not leave with her.
A lot of Arab rag fuck countries still do it, I have been to many and for all there Ala Islam bullshit there is less civility and morals there than any place on earth!!! Egypt included.
About Joel, honestly let her go for now, it just to much of a mess, if in 6 months you get a message from her and things tend to be more serious and in beat go with it. But nothing good can come from this situation now, think about it, the emotional taxation is not worth it. Button it up and wait for a bit. Make something up to her that you wont be around til January. If she is going through a dark time let her get through it on her own and not drag you down with her. Use this time to pack preps to actually visit, if it doesn you either have money saved up or you can still go and meet someone eles.
I actually ordered the book from the public library and read it after reading the excerpts, Nasfanny, excerpts was to let some people read bits of it for interest and then if they wanted to read more they could get the book from the local library.
Its disturbing and sad reading, prostitute slave rings have been busted in recent years in U.K and in Australia ( Australian ring involved mainly Thai and Asian girls bought here under false pretences )..wake up Nasfanny, its happening in New York and areas in U.S where Russian Mafia gangs are present, since the Italian Mafia and Cosa Nostra demise in the states the Russians have taken over and its sex and drug trade that make the money.
You should be worrying about the $5000 every American taxpayer will have to foot if George Bush has his way with congress for the 700 Billion $ bail out of the fat cats and rorters of Wall Street..I hope congress knocks it on the head and lets Wall street fall because its giving out public money and rewarding the ritch fatcats and speculators of Wall Street that are fucking the world!
"The New Yorker is a magazine which must produce interesting articles every month (week?). What is more interesting than white slavery? "
gecko:
Your ignorance is showing. The New Yorker is not an cheap attention seeking tabloid. That would be the New York Post. The New Yorker is a high-class weekly periodical that really doesn't go for the hype angle.
Gecko: "Greed is good, greed works" = result, it comes to bite you in the ass years latter like a viscious dog and you fall, like whats happenning on Wall Street now!
Well I have an update, Talked to her today, she has worked every day since she has been there - today was her first day off, she is working at one of the high end hotels in Cairo at the front desk actually, she speaks very good english as well as russian and ukrainian and some german also plus she looks awesome like alot of those front desk girls do. She also works at one of the restaurants at night, works 12 hours at least every day.
She actually sent so many emails that it took me a while to read them all. She does not like it there , says she is lonely, misses her family, but she is totally ok, not hooking or dancing at all!! She said she has seen it go there on but she would never have a part in it. She said it is very discreet but after you are there for a while you can tell it is going on.
She was much more like she used to be, I'd say she is homesick and like she said she just didn't feel like talking to anyone.
I think people on here assume the worst, they may protect themselves from getting hurt but you also wind up missing the good ones too.
So yes, definately going to Ukraine when she gets back there.
I was watching on MSNBC Dateline about the slave trade in America and how organized it really is. You know how I told you guys how Russians come here for the summer to work and then go back to school in Russia, a program agreed by both are governments, well on the way here cons tricks the girls from going to Virginia Beach or where ever there destination is, in the case of the girl talked about it was Va Beach. Then telling them its been changed to Detroit, as in her case. They are forced to work in Strip clubs, locked away at night in there apartments under guard all the mandatroy $500 dollars a day they made went to the cons who when busted were found to have millions of dollars in hard cash, if the girls came up short they would be rapped and hurt. And told if they escape there families in Russia will be hurt...the sad thing is it was not an empty threat and to this girl her mother in Ukraine was actually approached by these thugs.
While these things are happening here!!!! Home of the FBI and other great intelligent and law enforcement agencies, just imagine other countries with poor law practices.
I've heard of the same thing. And on top of all of that women generally have to pay a conderable sum up front for that visa (J1). Of course they hope to earn enough to pay it off and more - but not the way they it ends up.
saw same on BBC today Uk police cracked a huge scam in Uk smuggling Ukranian/Russian girls over each was charged 5 grand english for false papers most ended up working in brothels etc. And you know what they didnt want to go back home and tried everything to get away from police.The guys running the scam are not very nice people at all they threaten and abuse it girls quite awful.
Joel your friend is definitely lying to you. There is no such thing as front desk work for Ukrainian girls in Egypt. Can you have such a job in the States if you couldn't speak English? How is her Arabic? Waitresses make less than $200.00 a month at the best hotels in Cairo!!! Again she needs to know the local language to work at a restaurant. You came here to get advice and almost everybody is telling you she is lying, but you simply refuse to accept the fact that this girl is fooling you.
ok well I will see when I go there, I'll let you know if you are right.
I've been in the UK other places in Europe and they definately have girls working from other countries, in fact I was in the UK a month ago and there was a girl from Ukraine working at the front desk at the Heathrow Sheraton and her english was crap.
She says there are alot of people from Ukraine/Russia there so perhaps they do not speak Arabic either... I'm pretty sure people from Ukraine/Russia go there for holidays.
Max I'm out a couple grand for a ticket and some time there, if she is lying I'll know when I am there.
Joel, what you say is not true based on my own experience travelling in Egypt. None of the Russian/Ukrainian people come to Cairo they fly directly to the Red Sea. Again you refuse to hear the truth and are trying to find excuses for her. How are you going to know when you meet her? If you want to know more send me a PM.