Joel: all i can say is what i would do, and i would take the chance of going to meet her. it's only money after all. please no-one flame me, it's just what i would do. i'll be interested to hear what happens. i know quite a few girls from kyiv who do webcam work, but nothing more than that, so i can't comment on anything else. hope it works out well for you. /pete
Big difference between the rest of us and Joel is that he actually has feelings for this girl. And that makes all the difference in the world. Like peteb says - I would go too.
I would also be prepared for the worst. But I would certainly go.
I am going. I have not heard from her for a couple days but she said she would not be online and who knows maybe she is not in cell range. She also says she is going home early so that works for me. I have been using mail.ru and they have this thing called "My World" its interesting because several of her friends are on the site. I just recently started talking to them as some of them at least write english, her friends are all fairly hot also, but honestly she is the best looking of all of her friends. I am sure after I speak to them for a while they will tell me more about her. She has about 5 close friends on there, some of them are with her in Egypt now but I'm not yet sure which ones.
I am prepared for the worse, it could be she is doing cam work with the laptop, what other work would it be? Would I still be with her if she is? Yes almost for certain, I really do not care if she has done it , as long as her feelings for me are real. She won't have to do it if we start to have a real relationship obviously. Like I said previously, she has a mother, sister and daughter to help support back home. She never complains about it and never asks me for anything. So I will be prepared for the worse but I will not do something to miss out on the best.
Her last letter said she hates dust, lizards and stupid people - which sounds like egypt from what I know about it. She also says she is lonely and says my letters cheer her up. She has quite a sense of humor about not always answering my questions, asked me to listen to a song called "Perhaps, Perhaps, Perhaps" if you know the song - which I didn't until now - it basically is a song of what I asked her, in some letters when i was not hearing from her. Her answer being Perhaps. She often adds some humor to her letters, even the short ones. Girls like to be chased, so it could be as easy as that as to why she does not always answer questions.
I could be totally wrong but I just think this person is real and she wants to be with me. She does not talk to any other guys on her My World site, its like a girl with facebook and its just other girls on it. Except me.
Thinking about this, I do not see how people do this when you do not speak each others' language. There are so many small things that get said or written that a translation program is just not going to pick up.
The other thing, why are guys on here talking about going to Ukraine to get laid. I can get laid here without too much difficulty, who would fly 1/3 of the way around the world just to have a casual affair? I do not get it.
I do have a question for the Egypt experts on here, would she be going to/from there by plane or by passenger ship? If its by ship then maybe she left and is on her way back home? Any idea how long it takes to go from Cairo to Odessa by ship?
Quote: “Thinking about this, I do not see how people do this when you do not speak each others' language. There are so many small things that get said or written that a translation program is just not going to pick up”. But they do and eventually they find themselves married to someone they don’t know. It can work, but it is a very tough school if the two people truly want to know each other.
Quote: ”The other thing, why are guys on here talking about going to Ukraine to get laid. I can get laid here without too much difficulty, who would fly 1/3 of the way around the world just to have a casual affair? I do not get it.” LOL, good point. The answer is they can’t get laid at home, so they go to foreign countries, miss out, get totally desperate, get shafted by the local hookers and then go home bragging to their friends about all the hot FSU women they laid. Odessa is one of the capitals for this. Sit in any bar in the central area for 15-20 minutes and you’ll watch it happen, again and again.
Quote: “I do have a question for the Egypt experts on here, would she be going to/from there by plane or by passenger ship? If its by ship then maybe she left and is on her way back home? Any idea how long it takes to go from Cairo to Odessa by ship?” No Egypt expert, but my understanding (From family and friends who holiday in Egypt quite often) is most FSU people fly there. Flights are fairly cheap and often their time is short. I doubt she would be travelling by ship.
Joel, I’ve followed this thread for a while now and FWIW I wouldn’t be placing much stock in this one. If you make a trip to meet her, be sure to have other plans up your sleeve. It might very well work out peachy but I have serious reservations. I think it is a pity you allowed yourself to become so emotionally involved. That will almost certainly cloud any good judgment you may need to use later. You seem to be hanging on the next email and that is a very dangerous place to be. I wish you the best but I feel you are punting a seriously long shot here.
Dunromin....any advice to joel just goes through one ear and out the other. Any time someone makes a case for the this being lost cause he merely quotes something girl says that he perceives to be positive. You would think they had already met. Seems his correspondence is through a translation program, which we all know does not work very well. All his eggs are in one basket...risky but if he feels comfortable with this , more power to him.
Beemer: Quote: “goes through one ear and out the other.” Let it be so and there is a lot of people in this pursuit of the same attitude. A few “Get it” and most don’t. The real benefit of anything useful on forums is very often for the sideline reader and perhaps less often for the individual at hand. It goes with the territory.
Quote: “quotes something girl says that he perceives to be positive.” They do that. Delusion is the most common ailment of the whole thing. One thing I have come to understand about this caper Beemer is that guys will defend the ridiculous and indefensible to the last drop of cyber ink , one will appear to waste time with them, they will shout and scream that they “Have it right” but interestingly enough, they very often will tuck a few snippets of what they are told away and when they do actually move forward, often, surprisingly enough, they try to implement a little of what they have been told, perhaps more than they will admit to. I think if one is serious about trying to help people, then one needs to be content with that.
beemer - its not that it has not crossed my mind that this could be a lost cause. It would be easier in a way if she had tried to scam me or had said some stuff to make me think she did not want a real relationship at some point as I could then just move on. Problem is that when I read her letters and think about what we talked about on the phone there is nothing that says that.
As for "having all my eggs in one basket" this is not a shopping trip for me. I will either have a relationship with her or not, if it does not work out with her then I will worry about finding someone else at that time.
Still no word from her so that sucks... Have a message into her friends email hopefully she knows whats up.
Pretty much my attitude also. As in going to see one woman. If it doesn't work out so be it I will worry about it then. The problem here is too many red flags at the moment. Especially the non communication at the moment. You're an adult, do as you please, but I would walk away from this in a New York minute. There are too many fish in the sea and your heart is getting played in letters.
Taking advice from Aussieman is like pissing in the wind. He should read more and get out more. Pssst!!!!! Aussieman, Cosa Nostra and the Italian Mafia is one in the same you dolt. Jesus can you get one fact right. I would worry more about your retirement portfolio than giving some guy advice, especially calling this woman a whore since you don't know her from shit.It's probably America's fault you're too stupid to monitor you retirement in a down market. Please let me know what you invest in, so others can invest inversely. You assume way too much and act way too little to bring any substantial advice to this forum. Hey though, I need a new set of darts but I will only ask for a $50 dollar set. I need them to toss at the Wall Street Journal to choose my next stock transaction.
Nasfan, I know that, I watched the documentaries on the rise and fall of the Italian Mafia in the U.S on National Geographic Channel on my Pay T.V service off the Intelsat 8 bird.
I don't control my Super fund investment, the company does..I can change Super funds but all are exposed to the share market...it will rebound back in the years ahead, cromagnon.
I don't need another set of darts either, I bought 2 good sets, gave one to Irina and kept one myself and I hang a picture of Irina from K.R on my Harrows competition dart board and throw darts at it...I have hit her in the tits and between the legs..bullseye!
QUOTE (by DungRimming) "LOL, good point. The answer is they can’t get laid at home, so they go to foreign countries, miss out, get totally desperate, get shafted by the local hookers and then go home bragging to their friends about all the hot FSU women they laid. Odessa is one of the capitals for this. Sit in any bar in the central area for 15-20 minutes and you’ll watch it happen, again and again. "
Now how the hell would Dung, sitting at a bar in Odessa and watching random guys approach hookers, know that the guys he was observing had "missed out" with girls in Odessa that they had come to see and were totally desperate? How would he know that they were sunsequently "shafted" by the hookers they approached? And how would he know that after that they went home "bragging to their friends about all the hot FSU women that they laid"? And the same process happens again and again?????
How does he know that all of that is happening when a guy approaches a woman he perceives to be a hooker in a bar?
SOunds like somebody has a very active imagiantion and likes to assume things. Sounds like somebody likes to make up stories about what he THINKS might be happening and then pretend he has some first hand knowledge that its really happeneing - based entirely on his fantasies (just like with Romance Socials).
DungRimming needs to get a life - and some credibility.
Jetmba: The guys don't approach the hookers, it is the other way around. If you had spent any amount of time in Ukraine or Russia you would understand that. One thing is for sure, the guys don’t need to seek them out. When sitting in a bar and a visiting guy (Several of them in fact) tell you their sob story, blame everyone and everything other than themselves, condemn all the losers who patronize the hookers and then 2 minutes later when approached by a hooker saying $250 thanks, they slink off out the side door only to return less than an hour later raving into their cell phones to some friend about how they “scored”, strutting like the cock of the walk until you eyeball them, then they disappear, it is called seeing and believing.
What I want to know Joel is which hotel was your girl working at? If you let me know I will be able to tell you more about her story. Some hotels have nightly dance shows and since she went with a group I am almost 95% sure she is a dancer. That may not be bad after all since we are talking about dance shows and not strip. What I can't understand is why would she hide this from you? I don't think she is doing webcam or any of that crap as she can do that from home!
I've been to the FSU 10 times now - each time for a minimum of three weeks.
In all that time only once was I approached by a hooker. And that they play all of this out in front of you - right up to getting on a cel phone and bragging to their friends is a load of bull crap.
I'm sure you are telling made up stories about this just as you do about Romance Socials.
Quote: "In all that time only once was I approached by a hooker." Why am I not surprised, even the hookers have choices. 30 weeks and still haven't achieved anything. Again, why am I not surprised. Do carry on preaching your successful methodology.
I have another update, I have learned that this week is a big holiday week called (eid?) which is sort of like christmas - sort of!! for muslims. I learned this from a muslim friend who told me that if she is working at a hotel/resort she will be extremely busy until friday. She did say she would be busy so that makes sense. I had no idea about this holiday so while I have still not heard from her this week I'm not going to worry about it until the weekend.
It goes on for serveral days apparently so she is probably exausted.
To nasfan6, yes I know what you are saying but I had many phone calls with this girl before she went to Egypt, she just seems way too good to not give her a chance. Some of her friends on the russian website got back to me, they have not heard from her at all since she left which matches up with what she told me, they are now asking me about how she is doing.
For whatever reason she does not like to complain about anything - It took her a while to say that she did not like it there. She said at least 10 times that she does not like to complain. She asks me to send her pictures all the time, I've sent her probably 50 pictures, of me, my 2 kids, just everyday stuff, she says it cheers her up so while she does not give me much info about what is going on there she shows alot of interest in me, who would not like that?
My 16 daughter year old asked me if she is a model, when I told her that she said it made her smile.
I do not know the name of the hotel, I will try and find out. She definately could be a dancer she has the looks for it, why would she not tell me - I think she is not happy/embarrased that she has to do it to earn money. She was a teacher and then a speach thearapist - two total crap paying jobs in the ukraine. She says she wants to have another child (she asked if I would want to have a child with her when she was still in the Ukraine) so I think she does not want to tell me for fear I would not be interested in her. I think its that simple.
A friend was in Cyprus during the summer and in a club was attracted to a very good looking girl from Kiev they met and she explained she studies during winter months in Kiev then goes to Cyprus and works for the Summer in a lapdancing club. He is quite besotted and has been emailing her since. I dont know but I would be doubtful such a relationship could last he only has a medium paying job im sure she makes quite alot of money would she be happy to lose all that, money can be quite addictive.
Quote: “And that would explain why it happens to me so seldomly.” Because everything seems to be seldom for you, understanding, reality checks, success, usefulness, decency .............. Never mind, you'll "Work it out", eventually, maybe....................
Another reason that I have seldom been approached by hookers is this.
SEVEN of my ten trips to the FSU - I was with beautiful woman 24/7. Twenty four hours a day - seven days a week I was with (either my gorgeous Moldovan lady or more recently with my beautiful Ukranian lady). Met me at the airport and saw me off and we were together every moment inbetween. A hooker would have never had a chance.
Now I'm sure that DungRimming spends plenty of time in bars alone. He needs to. He likes play "lets pretend" making up stories about things that are going on around his that he observes. I'm sure that Dung has desperation written all over his face. And since hookers are paid - even his pomposity doesn't drive them off.